And that's different than taking the word of a C64 person who claims 30 million? :roll:
People exaggerate and the more fanatical they are about something the more they exaggerate. These Russians ported Doom to the Speccy... I'd say that's pretty fanatical. But hey, why not? Someone ported it to the Intellivision.
No they didn't! You believed that hoax did you? I thought you were smarter than that! :)
No they didn't! You believed that hoax did you? I thought you were smarter than that! :)
Ah, an April fools joke huh? Well, it's not like I tested it or saw when it was released.
Wolfenstein 3D runs on an Apple IIgs at 2.8MHz and looks just like the PC version so I guess I didn't see it as impossible. But then the IIgs has a lot more RAM.
Ah, an April fools joke huh? Well, it's not like I tested it or saw when it was released.
Wolfenstein 3D runs on an Apple IIgs at 2.8MHz and looks just like the PC version so I guess I didn't see it as impossible. But then the IIgs has a lot more RAM.
And the Intellivision has a reputation for producing games that run much slower than their Atari 2600 counterparts. If a machine that struggles to keep up with a 2600 could produce a version of Doom... well, that REALLY would be something. :)
The 30 million figure I only wonder about because the Guinness Book is behind it, and because I know 17 million c64 sales in the US alone is not out of the question. I would like very much to find out what Guinness used for its sources.
I would say that number is totally out of the question for the USA alone personally, when you look at the fact that The NES completely owned the whole of the videogame market in that country, whereas in Europe the Spectrum and C64 completely owned the Home computer and video game market and the NES never achieved widespread success.
I would say that number is totally out of the question for the USA alone personally, when you look at the fact that The NES completely owned the whole of the videogame market in that country, whereas in Europe the Spectrum and C64 completely owned the Home computer and video game market and the NES never achieved widespread success.
The NES didn't touch America until 1986 and didn't really hit big until a year after that. The Commodore 64 was released in 1982. Between 1984 and 86 there were no game consoles being sold due to the crash, so the C64 had a huge market almost on its own for that period with only the Atari 800 to compete against. That almost certainly accounts for the huge figure.
The NES didn't touch America until 1986 and didn't really hit big until a year after that. The Commodore 64 was released in 1982. Between 1984 and 86 there were no game consoles being sold due to the crash, so the C64 had a huge market almost on its own for that period with only the Atari 800 to compete against. That almost certainly accounts for the huge figure.
From everything I keep hearing online, many people were simply buying Atari 2600 games at rediculously cheap prices from bargain bins for much of those years, also, 1984-87 were rediculously poor years for sales compared to before and after the crash in the U.S.A, and according to cited refences on wiki C64 had around 40% of the home computing market from 83-85 (also it's strongest years). The market share posted earlier in this thread also says that Commodore were being outsold by PC + clones by 86 and had started to lose most of it's market share around 86-87
If, the numbers for west germany mentioned earlier were accurate, then a total of 6,000,000 C64's were sold in Germany, in the absence of any real competition in home computing or video game markets, for a duration of most of it's lifetime, during a boom period (as opposed to the crash in North America)
I can believe that North America outsold west Germany (even though it was a hell of a lot less populer there, was the market leader for half the amount of time, and had more competition from video game consoles) based on the fact that there are huge amounts more people there, but just not by the number being talked about.
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No they didn't! You believed that hoax did you? I thought you were smarter than that! :)
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Wolfenstein 3D runs on an Apple IIgs at 2.8MHz and looks just like the PC version so I guess I didn't see it as impossible. But then the IIgs has a lot more RAM.
And the Intellivision has a reputation for producing games that run much slower than their Atari 2600 counterparts. If a machine that struggles to keep up with a 2600 could produce a version of Doom... well, that REALLY would be something. :)
https://discordapp.com/invite/cZt59EQ
The NES didn't touch America until 1986 and didn't really hit big until a year after that. The Commodore 64 was released in 1982. Between 1984 and 86 there were no game consoles being sold due to the crash, so the C64 had a huge market almost on its own for that period with only the Atari 800 to compete against. That almost certainly accounts for the huge figure.
https://discordapp.com/invite/cZt59EQ
From everything I keep hearing online, many people were simply buying Atari 2600 games at rediculously cheap prices from bargain bins for much of those years, also, 1984-87 were rediculously poor years for sales compared to before and after the crash in the U.S.A, and according to cited refences on wiki C64 had around 40% of the home computing market from 83-85 (also it's strongest years). The market share posted earlier in this thread also says that Commodore were being outsold by PC + clones by 86 and had started to lose most of it's market share around 86-87
If, the numbers for west germany mentioned earlier were accurate, then a total of 6,000,000 C64's were sold in Germany, in the absence of any real competition in home computing or video game markets, for a duration of most of it's lifetime, during a boom period (as opposed to the crash in North America)
I can believe that North America outsold west Germany (even though it was a hell of a lot less populer there, was the market leader for half the amount of time, and had more competition from video game consoles) based on the fact that there are huge amounts more people there, but just not by the number being talked about.