> Yes, but I don't accept that. He was so compassioante that that wouldn't change; the central characteristic of the Doctor was his compassion for all life, even the Master, who anyone else would have been glad to destroy.
I'm assuming you haven't read the Virgin books? The ones that made the BBC realise that there was still beaucoup de cash in Doctor Who (strange how they didn't renew Virgin's licence, opting to publish books themselves)..
In those, SylvDoc becomes extremely dark. And the character doesn't necessarily suffer because of it.
In the novels which followed, there was a major incident which has been mentioned by the current TV series, but it happens in a significantly different fashion. Which means that the Doctor has to fix it the first time round, only for it to happen again..
Given the significance of this "event", I think it's fair to say that no matter how upbeat a character is, having something like this "event" happen not once, but twice and he is present at both is probably going to put a bit of a crimp in your day..
(Sorry for the vagueness of this, but I don't want to spoil the books for anyone... )
Toodle-pip!
Gerard
Can I have that in a spoiler box or PM? Not read many of the Virgin books, just Blood Heat and IceBerg.
> Yes, but I don't accept that. He was so compassioante that that wouldn't change; the central characteristic of the Doctor was his compassion for all life, even the Master, who anyone else would have been glad to destroy.
I'm assuming you haven't read the Virgin books?
I've read them all, except for I think four (Lungbarrow, God Engine and two or so more, that I've never been able to find for a reasonable price). To my mind the NA (New Adventures) era is the Golden age of Doctor Who, as the quality of some of the stories was amazing. And the way the Doctor changed and the way the background of the Doctor, the Timelords and the Universe was painted (or at least hinted at) was fantastic. Then the BBC, as you say, realised that they could make money from the DW book sales, and they took back the rights, and ruined it. Well, not ruined it. but the BBC books definately have a far lower quality average than the Virgin run, alledgedly owing to the (mis)management of the BBC books editors and staff, who supposedly don't understand what the readers want from a Doctor Who novel. Whether that's true or not, I can't say. But the BBC books are a real disapointment, after the excellent NA run.
Plus thanks to Virgin losing the licence, the books are hard to find, hence my missing the final few.
In those, SylvDoc becomes extremely dark. And the character doesn't necessarily suffer because of it.
Yes, he did become darker (which I thought was great, as he was pictured as being driven more and more by his responsibilities and his past and future actions), but he never lost his compasion. It's true he commited genocide and then could still get on with his own life (which Ace could never understand), but he was never callous in the face of suffering. Compare that to Davis's Doctors. In the first episode, Eccleston's Doctor replies harshly to Rose's question about Fred (can't remember his real name) with "Fred's dead", with no attempt at easing the shock, or sympathy. Even in that limited time frame, and with the situation so urgent, an earlier Doctor would have been more gentle with the news, or saved it for later. Then, in the same episode, he shows no concern for Mickey's understandable terror, in fact he is dismissive, almost contempful with him; he asks Rose to come for a ride in the Tardis and nods at Mickey, saying "He's not invited", with no attempt to sooth or comfort the terrified Mickey (and no wonder he's terrfied, he's been kidnapped by aliens, held hostage, almost killed, then he finds his girlfriend with an alien who travels in a spaceship that's bigger on the inside than on the outside! The shock and fear of all that would drive any of us to near fatal paralasis).
And in the hospital on the moon story, the Doctor shows no concern for that terrified nurse "Not her, she'd slow us up" or something.
And in the episode "Last Human" (or whatever it's called), Davis commits the ultimate betrayal of Doctor Who fans, when his Doctor kills in cold blood, for revenge. That never happened before, and goes against everything the Doctor stands for. But Davis doesn't understand that.
I don't agree at all that the death of his entire race made the Doctor harsher, I put it down to Davis's poor understanding of the character. Compare the Virgin NAs to the current series. It's like comparing the London Philharmonic to a busker.
And granted the seventh Doctor became a lot more manipulative and distant from people who's lives he affected (in the NAs), but he never lost his compassion or his morality. And anyway, the BBC portrayed the eighth Doctor as having the innocent, child-like enthusiasm which characterised early Doctors, returning him to a more innocent state (a mistake, if you ask me, although Paul McGann was excellent as the Doctor, one of the few good things I could say about that film). So even if the seventh Doctor was lacking in compassion or empathy (which I don't accept), then his next incarnation (as portrayed by the film and the BBC books) found them both again. So it wouldn't be right either way to blame the current (or Eccleston's) Doctor's lack of compassion on his earlier (7th) incarnation.
In the novels which followed, there was a major incident which has been mentioned by the current TV series, but it happens in a significantly different fashion. Which means that the Doctor has to fix it the first time round, only for it to happen again..
Given the significance of this "event", I think it's fair to say that no matter how upbeat a character is, having something like this "event" happen not once, but twice and he is present at both is probably going to put a bit of a crimp in your day..
I've not read all of the BBC books (I don't like the characterless portrayal of the eighth Doctor that's predominant in many of the books, plus I've foudn some of them very tedious to read, which very rarely happened with the NAs, but I am still slowly collecting and reading them), but if you mean the Time War and the destruction of the Time Lords, which I've not yet read myself (but I can mention it without spoiling it for anyone, as Eccleston/Tenant mention it several times on TV) then I do think that when Doctor Who started again on TV that they should have shown that, assuming it was well written and interesting.
(Sorry for the vagueness of this, but I don't want to spoil the books for anyone... )
That's good, many people inadvertantly leave spoilers in threads. Anyway, I don't think we'll change each other's minds here, so I'll just say that I do think that any fan of Doctor Who, or any fan of good fiction should try to track down the NAs, but be warned, it's not easy, and some of them are pretty expensive to find now. You should ideally try to read them in order, as some of them depend on earlier happenings, but not many of them.
Did he lose all his blood? He didn't look as grey as Dr Stoker. Either the plasmovore was interupted when the Judoon barged in, or he made use of his funky circulatory system. The old series has shown that the Doctor is fairly resilient to low oxygen situations - see Four to Doomsday for example.
And lets not forget The Caves of Androzani, where he held his breath for ages in the caves to get a cure for Peri who had spectrox toxemia.
I'm not sure I recall Iceberg, was that the Cyberman adventure?
Yep, thats the one, written by David Banks. Loved his explanation on how Cybermats are used to munch-up the metal before it is fused to the human body. Also an explanation as to how some Cybermen end up wearing lace-up boots. A really grizzly conversion process. Love it.
The Crystal Bucephalus is one of the few BBC books Ive read, and I quite liked it. The other one was a really cool Dalek one, but cant remember the name.
Hmmm. No comments on the second episode of the new series...
Never read the books, although reading the posts prior to this has compelled me to go and buy one or two next week... recommendations anyone?
And The Shakespeare Code was a definite improvement over last weeks series opener. Arguably the best Tennant episode yet actually (although a rewatch of the last series would be useful hehe.)
It wasn't my favourite episode, although it did have some moments. I liked the Dark Lady reference. For those that don't know, several of Shakespeare's sonnets were written about a mysterious character called "the dark lady" whose identity was never revealed. At least that's what I remember from my poetry classes in secondary school all those years ago. :)
I wasn't too keen on this week's episode. It had some good lines, but the story as a whole didn't work for me. I felt the start was a bit slow, and the witches were particularly unimpressive.
first one ive seen of the new series. was a bit unsure about the race card being played early on. and shakespear being made out to be bisexual for the sake of it.
bit too close to 'shakespear in love' too in that it was a comedic look at the character, something aking to blackadder. and the nod to JK rowling and back to the future was dire. its like dr who has started getting into earths popular culture, bit like david cameron in a way.
some laugh out loud moments, but i don't seem to remember dr who being a comedy show.
some laugh out loud moments, but i don't seem to remember dr who being a comedy show.
I liked the jokes in the episode; I was less keen on the overall story. Old Who at it's best never shied from comedy. Tom Baker, Lalla Ward and a Douglas Adams script - what more could you want?
I liked the jokes in the episode; I was less keen on the overall story. Old Who at it's best never shied from comedy. Tom Baker, Lalla Ward and a Douglas Adams script - what more could you want?
yeah i know what you mean, im just scared of it turning into little britain.
I think Tom Baker should guest star in this new series as the Doctor's long lost dad. ;)
ha ha the fans would have a fit if the Dr's family stated to turn up. imagine his nephew joining the team, a bit like a scrappy do type character. although i wouldn't put it passed russle davis if the dr's welsh cousin had a cameo.
I have just read an article in my uni's staff news paper.
Some of the current series of DR Who was filmed at my university. It was filmed in a building that used to be an old tramshed in and is now the college of Nursing.
Come to think about it about six months ago, I did see a load of them big film company type waggons over there 6 months ago. That could have been it; They kept that bloody quiet.
Well, it was established last series that the Doctor has a son.
Half-Time-Lord, half, well, some other species. Technically Tom Baker could show up as his long-lost son... Unless the Doctor banged a Lady Time-Lord, in which case the sprog would have wound up on the end of a Daleks plunger in the Time War :lol:
For The Shakespere Code, I just didn't "get it". The plot was incohesive and it was as if the autho of the episode wanted to do a witches story with the Dr Who stuff taked onto it.
Yep, he said. "I had a son" as a very quick, throw-away line
Macra! cool!
Gridlock s now my all-time-favorite Who episode. At long last, something has nudged 'Ark in Space' off its perch. I just wish it had been a two-parter. Would be nice if someone could novelize it. Just like the show used to be... And blimey, it was written by Russel T. HOW?
Gridlock s now my all-time-favorite Who episode. At long last, something has nudged 'Ark in Space' off its perch. I just wish it had been a two-parter. Would be nice if someone could novelize it. Just like the show used to be... And blimey, it was written by Russel T. HOW?
Yep, great episode, and completely agree it should have been a two-parter.
Perhaps a little bit 'Fifth Element'ish in places, and not quite as good as last weeks.
Incidentally, is anybody a little bit disappointed that the Daleks are back.
Again!!!
It's not like Russ is running out of enemies for the Doc is it...
Incidentally, is anybody a little bit disappointed that the Daleks are back.
Again!!!
Nope, but then again I didn't follow the pre-Eccleston series, so it's all still pretty new to me. The sight of the Dalek in the trailer excited me.
Gridlock was a fantastic episode, and I really don't see why people dislike RTD's episodes - IMHO they're usually some of the strongest episodes. I was releived to see Ardal O'Hanlon (yeah, spelled wrong, deal with it) in a decent role in a decent episode after the complete hash of hte Peter Kay episode of the second series.
Still no real chemistry between the Doctor and Martha, but early days yet - we're still scene setting.
And I'm thinking there can only be one explanation for the "you are not alone" remark... and I'm *really* hoping they're not going to do the hackneyed "evil parallel-universe version of you" thing now that they've introduced the concept of parallel universes in the previous series.
And I'm thinking there can only be one explanation for the "you are not alone" remark... and I'm *really* hoping they're not going to do the hackneyed "evil parallel-universe version of you" thing now that they've introduced the concept of parallel universes in the previous series.
I hope the rumours about The Master returning are true. After all, he was trapped inside the Tardis in the Paul McGann movie so he did escape the time war and the destruction of the Timelords.
The Daleks look good, as always, but i'm just a bit worried about how they can justify bringing back the Daleks again, considering they were used in the first and second series (to good effect I might add.)
If I remember, they, along with the Cybermen, were sent effectively to 'Limbo' (or 'Hell' - nonspace, really) in the series two closing episode 'Doomsday', and the rip in space was sealed shut by the Doctor, who stated that it couldn't be reopened (a way I suppose to completely remove any possibility of Billie Piper returning again) - he also said it would be impossible to travel to parallel worlds (he said this about the Tardis too.)
Obviously the nature of the show means it's not always going to be plausible. A touch more variety and consistency would be good though. Of course, I don't doubt it will be another great episode (fingers crossed a two-parter) but please for the sake of almighty Zarquon Russ, lets have no more Dalek episodes at least until the fifth series!
And yeah, I thought the Face of Bo's parting line indicated the return of The Master too.
The Daleks look good, as always, but i'm just a bit worried about how they can justify bringing back the Daleks again, considering they were used in the first and second series (to good effect I might add.)
If I remember, they, along with the Cybermen, were sent effectively to 'Limbo' (or 'Hell' - nonspace, really) in the series two closing episode 'Doomsday', and the rip in space was sealed shut by the Doctor, who stated that it couldn't be reopened (a way I suppose to completely remove any possibility of Billie Piper returning again) - he also said it would be impossible to travel to parallel worlds (he said this about the Tardis too.)
We saw one of the Daleks escaping during the episode. "Initiating emergency temporal shift" or some such.
wasn't keen on this weeks ep, bit too hit and miss. didn't like the massive crabs.
is it just me or should the dr just return that martha back to her own time if he is going to go mental everytime she is exposed to the slightest danger.
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that gay fella from torchwood is the master, it makes sense. he just lost his memory thats all, thats why he was obsessed with the Dr and why he has magic powers. mark my words it's true.
that gay fella from torchwood is the master, it makes sense. he just lost his memory thats all, thats why he was obsessed with the Dr and why he has magic powers. mark my words it's true.
So you're saying Captain Jack Harkness is The Master? Admittedly I missed 99% of Torchwood, but I thought he was a "goodie" - defending the Earth from aliens? Doesn't sound like normal "Master" behaviour to me - oh, unless he was doing that 'cos he lost his memory. Hmm. *thinks*
i did some research, and i think i may be wrong. john simms is playing a character in dr who, called mr saxon. also john simm looks a bit like the master, and 'mister saxon' is an anagram of 'master no six'.
And I'm thinking there can only be one explanation for the "you are not alone" remark... and I'm *really* hoping they're not going to do the hackneyed "evil parallel-universe version of you" thing now that they've introduced the concept of parallel universes in the previous series.
(Potential spoilers below!)
I suppose it could be Romana, one of his Time Lady companions from the Tom Baker era.. Depends on how they want to treat the Virgin/BBC novels. Or Susan, who (if I recall) has regenerated at least once in the novels.
Also, the "evil you" has already been done, waaaayyy back in the Colin Baker era - complete with (virtual) moustache-twirling nutcase baddie to rival the Master - making it about the only good thing out of the whole Trial of a Time Lord series. Other than Nicola Bryant's heaving bosom, of course (steady! Ed).. Oh, and Brian Blessed (his name be praised).
As for this episode (Gridlock).. Erm... I'm not sure... Some bits were good, though why the Beeb insists on getting standup/sitcom actors in is beyond me - they do comedy. Simon Callow they ain't... Mind you, at least we didn't just get Dougall or ThermoMan (shudder!) in a cat mask.. Just about.
And the Martha dynamic is a bit wrong.. She was all gooey-eyed by the second episode - far too much... We've done the romance thing with Billie (you wish! Ed). So, please, Auntie Beeb... Let. It. Go, and concentrate on the sci-fi/drama plots..
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Can I have that in a spoiler box or PM? Not read many of the Virgin books, just Blood Heat and IceBerg.
I've read them all, except for I think four (Lungbarrow, God Engine and two or so more, that I've never been able to find for a reasonable price). To my mind the NA (New Adventures) era is the Golden age of Doctor Who, as the quality of some of the stories was amazing. And the way the Doctor changed and the way the background of the Doctor, the Timelords and the Universe was painted (or at least hinted at) was fantastic. Then the BBC, as you say, realised that they could make money from the DW book sales, and they took back the rights, and ruined it. Well, not ruined it. but the BBC books definately have a far lower quality average than the Virgin run, alledgedly owing to the (mis)management of the BBC books editors and staff, who supposedly don't understand what the readers want from a Doctor Who novel. Whether that's true or not, I can't say. But the BBC books are a real disapointment, after the excellent NA run.
Plus thanks to Virgin losing the licence, the books are hard to find, hence my missing the final few.
Yes, he did become darker (which I thought was great, as he was pictured as being driven more and more by his responsibilities and his past and future actions), but he never lost his compasion. It's true he commited genocide and then could still get on with his own life (which Ace could never understand), but he was never callous in the face of suffering. Compare that to Davis's Doctors. In the first episode, Eccleston's Doctor replies harshly to Rose's question about Fred (can't remember his real name) with "Fred's dead", with no attempt at easing the shock, or sympathy. Even in that limited time frame, and with the situation so urgent, an earlier Doctor would have been more gentle with the news, or saved it for later. Then, in the same episode, he shows no concern for Mickey's understandable terror, in fact he is dismissive, almost contempful with him; he asks Rose to come for a ride in the Tardis and nods at Mickey, saying "He's not invited", with no attempt to sooth or comfort the terrified Mickey (and no wonder he's terrfied, he's been kidnapped by aliens, held hostage, almost killed, then he finds his girlfriend with an alien who travels in a spaceship that's bigger on the inside than on the outside! The shock and fear of all that would drive any of us to near fatal paralasis).
And in the hospital on the moon story, the Doctor shows no concern for that terrified nurse "Not her, she'd slow us up" or something.
And in the episode "Last Human" (or whatever it's called), Davis commits the ultimate betrayal of Doctor Who fans, when his Doctor kills in cold blood, for revenge. That never happened before, and goes against everything the Doctor stands for. But Davis doesn't understand that.
I don't agree at all that the death of his entire race made the Doctor harsher, I put it down to Davis's poor understanding of the character. Compare the Virgin NAs to the current series. It's like comparing the London Philharmonic to a busker.
And granted the seventh Doctor became a lot more manipulative and distant from people who's lives he affected (in the NAs), but he never lost his compassion or his morality. And anyway, the BBC portrayed the eighth Doctor as having the innocent, child-like enthusiasm which characterised early Doctors, returning him to a more innocent state (a mistake, if you ask me, although Paul McGann was excellent as the Doctor, one of the few good things I could say about that film). So even if the seventh Doctor was lacking in compassion or empathy (which I don't accept), then his next incarnation (as portrayed by the film and the BBC books) found them both again. So it wouldn't be right either way to blame the current (or Eccleston's) Doctor's lack of compassion on his earlier (7th) incarnation.
I've not read all of the BBC books (I don't like the characterless portrayal of the eighth Doctor that's predominant in many of the books, plus I've foudn some of them very tedious to read, which very rarely happened with the NAs, but I am still slowly collecting and reading them), but if you mean the Time War and the destruction of the Time Lords, which I've not yet read myself (but I can mention it without spoiling it for anyone, as Eccleston/Tenant mention it several times on TV) then I do think that when Doctor Who started again on TV that they should have shown that, assuming it was well written and interesting.
That's good, many people inadvertantly leave spoilers in threads. Anyway, I don't think we'll change each other's minds here, so I'll just say that I do think that any fan of Doctor Who, or any fan of good fiction should try to track down the NAs, but be warned, it's not easy, and some of them are pretty expensive to find now. You should ideally try to read them in order, as some of them depend on earlier happenings, but not many of them.
Blood Heat wasn't bad at all (and was the authors first book, if I remember rightly. I'm not sure I recall Iceberg, was that the Cyberman adventure?
Anyway, some links you might like:
For reviews,
http://www.pagefillers.com/dwrg/frameless.htm
and complete synopsises (sic?)
http://www.drwhoguide.com/
A good links page
http://www.gallifreyone.com/links.php
A promising source of information
http://www.whoniverse.org/
And lets not forget The Caves of Androzani, where he held his breath for ages in the caves to get a cure for Peri who had spectrox toxemia.
Yep, thats the one, written by David Banks. Loved his explanation on how Cybermats are used to munch-up the metal before it is fused to the human body. Also an explanation as to how some Cybermen end up wearing lace-up boots. A really grizzly conversion process. Love it.
The Crystal Bucephalus is one of the few BBC books Ive read, and I quite liked it. The other one was a really cool Dalek one, but cant remember the name.
Never read the books, although reading the posts prior to this has compelled me to go and buy one or two next week... recommendations anyone?
And The Shakespeare Code was a definite improvement over last weeks series opener. Arguably the best Tennant episode yet actually (although a rewatch of the last series would be useful hehe.)
Necros.
bit too close to 'shakespear in love' too in that it was a comedic look at the character, something aking to blackadder. and the nod to JK rowling and back to the future was dire. its like dr who has started getting into earths popular culture, bit like david cameron in a way.
some laugh out loud moments, but i don't seem to remember dr who being a comedy show.
I liked the jokes in the episode; I was less keen on the overall story. Old Who at it's best never shied from comedy. Tom Baker, Lalla Ward and a Douglas Adams script - what more could you want?
yeah i know what you mean, im just scared of it turning into little britain.
ha ha the fans would have a fit if the Dr's family stated to turn up. imagine his nephew joining the team, a bit like a scrappy do type character. although i wouldn't put it passed russle davis if the dr's welsh cousin had a cameo.
Some of the current series of DR Who was filmed at my university. It was filmed in a building that used to be an old tramshed in and is now the college of Nursing.
Come to think about it about six months ago, I did see a load of them big film company type waggons over there 6 months ago. That could have been it; They kept that bloody quiet.
Half-Time-Lord, half, well, some other species. Technically Tom Baker could show up as his long-lost son... Unless the Doctor banged a Lady Time-Lord, in which case the sprog would have wound up on the end of a Daleks plunger in the Time War :lol:
For the latest episode, will see it in an hour :)
Casanova had a son...
In Fear Her, the Doctor said that he was a dad once.
Yep, he said. "I had a son" as a very quick, throw-away line
Macra! cool!
Gridlock s now my all-time-favorite Who episode. At long last, something has nudged 'Ark in Space' off its perch. I just wish it had been a two-parter. Would be nice if someone could novelize it. Just like the show used to be... And blimey, it was written by Russel T. HOW?
Perhaps a little bit 'Fifth Element'ish in places, and not quite as good as last weeks.
Incidentally, is anybody a little bit disappointed that the Daleks are back.
Again!!!
It's not like Russ is running out of enemies for the Doc is it...
Ah, yes, I remember now. I was expecting a full-on Timelord.
Gridlock was a fantastic episode, and I really don't see why people dislike RTD's episodes - IMHO they're usually some of the strongest episodes. I was releived to see Ardal O'Hanlon (yeah, spelled wrong, deal with it) in a decent role in a decent episode after the complete hash of hte Peter Kay episode of the second series.
Still no real chemistry between the Doctor and Martha, but early days yet - we're still scene setting.
And I'm thinking there can only be one explanation for the "you are not alone" remark... and I'm *really* hoping they're not going to do the hackneyed "evil parallel-universe version of you" thing now that they've introduced the concept of parallel universes in the previous series.
I thought he was brilliant. The episode was really good too.
I hope the rumours about The Master returning are true. After all, he was trapped inside the Tardis in the Paul McGann movie so he did escape the time war and the destruction of the Timelords.
Necros.
If I remember, they, along with the Cybermen, were sent effectively to 'Limbo' (or 'Hell' - nonspace, really) in the series two closing episode 'Doomsday', and the rip in space was sealed shut by the Doctor, who stated that it couldn't be reopened (a way I suppose to completely remove any possibility of Billie Piper returning again) - he also said it would be impossible to travel to parallel worlds (he said this about the Tardis too.)
Obviously the nature of the show means it's not always going to be plausible. A touch more variety and consistency would be good though. Of course, I don't doubt it will be another great episode (fingers crossed a two-parter) but please for the sake of almighty Zarquon Russ, lets have no more Dalek episodes at least until the fifth series!
And yeah, I thought the Face of Bo's parting line indicated the return of The Master too.
We saw one of the Daleks escaping during the episode. "Initiating emergency temporal shift" or some such.
Yep, I just watched the end of that episode (except the 32 minutes Billie Piper spends crying!)
Correctamundo. I apologise...
is it just me or should the dr just return that martha back to her own time if he is going to go mental everytime she is exposed to the slightest danger.
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that gay fella from torchwood is the master, it makes sense. he just lost his memory thats all, thats why he was obsessed with the Dr and why he has magic powers. mark my words it's true.
Which one? They're ALL gay in Torchwood! :D
i did some research, and i think i may be wrong. john simms is playing a character in dr who, called mr saxon. also john simm looks a bit like the master, and 'mister saxon' is an anagram of 'master no six'.
(Potential spoilers below!)
I suppose it could be Romana, one of his Time Lady companions from the Tom Baker era.. Depends on how they want to treat the Virgin/BBC novels. Or Susan, who (if I recall) has regenerated at least once in the novels.
Also, the "evil you" has already been done, waaaayyy back in the Colin Baker era - complete with (virtual) moustache-twirling nutcase baddie to rival the Master - making it about the only good thing out of the whole Trial of a Time Lord series. Other than Nicola Bryant's heaving bosom, of course (steady! Ed).. Oh, and Brian Blessed (his name be praised).
As for this episode (Gridlock).. Erm... I'm not sure... Some bits were good, though why the Beeb insists on getting standup/sitcom actors in is beyond me - they do comedy. Simon Callow they ain't... Mind you, at least we didn't just get Dougall or ThermoMan (shudder!) in a cat mask.. Just about.
And the Martha dynamic is a bit wrong.. She was all gooey-eyed by the second episode - far too much... We've done the romance thing with Billie (you wish! Ed). So, please, Auntie Beeb... Let. It. Go, and concentrate on the sci-fi/drama plots..
And (enough! Ed)...
Toodle-pip!
Gerard