Ian Weatherburn

I read the tribute to Viktor Drozd with great interest coupled with sadness at his passing. Clearly few could match his passion for the Speccy and I have been amongst the beneficiaries. It reminded me what an important place the WoS tribute page is.

So I went on to read the full page and found that Ian Weatherburn has not been so blessed by his 'tribute'. Simon Butler's write up starts off well enough - and is certainly interesting throughout - but this is not what I would define as a 'tribute':

"We parted on far from good terms but by that time the Ian I knew had turned into someone I had no time nor sympathy for.
Ian could have, I can only conjecture, been a pretty damn good coder, but I believe his communications skills or lack of would have held him back.
Most likely he would have gone Stateside and followed his first love, the almighty dollar.
I can see him now, alone but unconcerned in a house with a beach view, a fast car in the garage and the world's dodgiest collection of 80s female rockers in his cd collection.
He could have been happy. But he never was.
And that was Ian Weatherburn"

You simply can't write a tribute about someone you have no sympathy for - an obituary yes, a tribute no. No one close to Ian has been consulted for this damning tribute as his birth and death dates are not even known. He may have no family or friends for all I know, but if he does, one day they will surely find this write up and be unnecessarily saddened, and they will have found it in a place where they would rightly expect his achievements to be eulogised.
I'm not arguing that everyone who is dead should have nice things written about them, but here, of all places, Weatherburn can be seen foremost as the creator of The Alchemist, a game still rated by many Wossers - as noted in a recent top 10s thread - and one of the most influencial games in the speccy cannon. His softography, far from being a bit average as stated in the 'tribute' also ranks him as one of the most popular coders with a very high average score for his works.
Many people who commit suicide feel like social outcasts and often are, so from that fact alone we can guess that Ian may not have been life and soul of the party, without the need to speculate about what he might have achieved had he only been easier to get on with. But his creative mind and skillful delivery of it on the Spectrum should be admired in a tribute and I feel that the emphasis should be on that rather than Simon Butler's poetic, honest, eloquent but eventually unpleasant deconstruction of his character.
I think that this destructive tribute detracts from the merits of an admirable page. If other Wosser's agree, and don't think I am simply soapboxing here, then I would happily edit this obituary and turn it into a tribute, without compromising Simon's undoubted insight.
I'm quite happy to be wrong one this one. What do other Wosser's think?
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  • edited September 2007
    You simply can't write a tribute about someone you have no sympathy for - an obituary yes, a tribute no.

    When I originally got the write-up from Simon I felt it was a bit heavy on Ian, but on the other hand Simon probably knows him better than anyone having worked with him closely on many titles and was therefore a very honest (and frankly an eye-opening) account on Ian. So I let the original write-up be.
    No one close to Ian has been consulted for this damning tribute as his birth and death dates are not even known.
    ...
    I think that this destructive tribute detracts from the merits of an admirable page...I would happily edit this obituary and turn it into a tribute, without compromising Simon's undoubted insight.

    If you can get inputs from someone closer to Ian that would throw a better light on him, then please go ahead by all means.
  • edited September 2007
    Arjun wrote: »
    When I originally got the write-up from Simon I felt it was a bit heavy on Ian, but on the other hand Simon probably knows him better than anyone having worked with him closely on many titles and was therefore a very honest (and frankly an eye-opening) account on Ian. So I let the original write-up be.

    I'm sure it was a tough decision. It is certainly honest and eye-opening and it would have been a shame to hide Simon's thoughts, especially where no others were found. Perhaps, however, the two more recent glowing eulogies for WoS members have changed the atmosphere of the page a bit since this was written.
    Arjun wrote: »
    If you can get inputs from someone closer to Ian that would throw a better light on him, then please go ahead by all means.
    That is, of course, the flaw in my long post. I can't really offer to do any better than you have already. My offer was mostly to soften the tone a bit with the information as it exisits on the page and in the archive. On reflection its perhaps not much of an offer.
    Congratulations to you Arjun for getting the original information together.
  • edited September 2007
    Although Simon's writing style is (always) brutally cynical, I can assure you no malice was intended on his behalf. I understand not everyone likes the style, though.
    As far as I know, nobody ever got close to Ian; Simon was one of the very few exceptions.

    There are some rumours floating about on the Intarweb, most of which are sadly much, much worse than what was written here (to the point where Ian is declared a criminal, cheating all and sundry out of their money).
    That said, if someone who really knew Ian is willing to add a bit of text to the tribute, we'll of course add that. But you may be hard pressed to find someone willing to say anything...
  • edited September 2007
    I've read a few articles about Ian, both before and after his death and like it or not the general consensus appears to be that he wasn't the most liked person due to greed and selfishness. Unfortunately not everyone is a pillar of society. That's just how life is.
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • edited September 2007
    Yeah I remember reading that and thinking..jeez thats a bit tough. I understood it was not malicious but still....not sure such negative things (even if true) should be in a tribute.

    I was always brought up to believe, if you don't have anything good to say about someone don't say it. (OK so I don't live by it :D haha but you get the point).
  • edited September 2007
    I guess the next question is, is Ian's place in the tribute section justified.
  • edited September 2007
    Yes, because he was a major contributor to the Spectrum community in his time. His personality is irrelevant.
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • edited September 2007
    karingal wrote: »
    Yes, because he was a major contributor to the Spectrum community in his time. His personality is irrelevant.


    ...and yet the vast majority of the 'tribute' concerns his personality. Maybe the tribute should list his contributions rather than his personality defects.

    Edit: If i was a member of his family and stumbled across the tribute I would be rather upset by it.
  • edited September 2007
    beanz wrote: »
    ...and yet the vast majority of the 'tribute' concerns his personality. Maybe the tribute should list his contributions rather than his personality defects.
    If you wanted a list of his work then you'd just use Sinclair Infoseek.
    Edit: If i was a member of his family and stumbled across the tribute I would be rather upset by it.
    I fully understand what you are saying and yes if was related to him I may be upset by it but as an outsider I would rather know the real Ian Weatherburn faults and all.
    Simon only knew Ian from a business perspective I'm sure if a family member wrote a tribute from their perspective it would be added. I certainly wouldn't want Simon's write-up removed.
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • edited September 2007
    Hmm... since this a community project I'm willing to tone down the tribute (or rather take up Jumping Stack's offer :) ) if enough people say that the contents detract from a proper "tribute".

    Now then who else thinks this tribute should stay/change?
  • edited September 2007
    Arjun wrote: »
    Hmm... since this a community project I'm willing to tone down the tribute (or rather take up Jumping Stack's offer :) ) if enough people say that the contents detract from a proper "tribute".

    Now then who else thinks this tribute should stay/change?

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    ?noun
    1. a gift, testimonial, compliment, or the like, given as due or in acknowledgment of gratitude or esteem.

    Tribute? It may be true, but I would think a tribute should talk about Ians good attibutes and achievements, not the bad stuff. I don't see how his social failings have any place in a 'tribute'. I for one whould like to see it toned down a bit, if only for his families sake.
  • edited September 2007
    I'm with Andrew, it does no good to distort reality. People are people.
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • edited September 2007
    I wouldn't change a word of what Simon Butler wrote; having worked with Ian so much he'd surely know him better than any of us. However, expanding the intro to stress Ian's influence and achievements wouldn't do any harm. I'd have thought that Alchemist, Zip Zap, the Imagine megagames and his conversions of the Leaderboard series were all major contributions to the Spectrum scene at the time.
  • edited September 2007
    Matt_B wrote: »
    I wouldn't change a word of what Simon Butler wrote; having worked with Ian so much he'd surely know him better than any of us. However, expanding the intro to stress Ian's influence and achievements wouldn't do any harm. I'd have thought that Alchemist, Zip Zap, the Imagine megagames and his conversions of the Leaderboard series were all major contributions to the Spectrum scene at the time.

    I might be making a content-free post, but I agree with the above three statements, and this one in particular. When I read the existing article, I too get the impression that he'll be missed.
  • edited September 2007
    I'm in two minds about this.

    What happens with obituaries in the papers? Are they brutally honest, or do they just sing praises, or what?
  • edited September 2007
    One last thing I would like to say on this subject (I'm not trying to drill my opinion in), it sure sounds like Ian suffered from some kind of mental illness (social misfit and ultimately suicide). I'm of a mind that a lot of people have a hard time accepting metal illness as an actual illness. His behavior may have been related to his mental condition.

    His anti-social behavior could be directly linked with that and as such should be above reproach. Of course this is all theoretical but generally people don't top themselves unless something is seriously wrong upstairs.

    So...for someone unable to defend themselves the benefit of the doubt should be given.

    Ok, no more posts..I promise!
  • edited September 2007
    Perhaps the best person to write about Ian and his work would be John 'Stonkers' Gibson. He worked along side him at the old Imagine. The last time I talked to John he was working on Flight Simulator software for some company somewhere in Cheshire (not much help) and that was a few years ago (he'd just come back from the states after 3DO collapsed).

    I bumped into Ian a few times whilst at Ocean - he was working on 'Never Ending Story' - but we never really spoke.
  • edited September 2007
    frobush wrote: »
    Perhaps the best person to write about Ian and his work would be John 'Stonkers' Gibson.

    Well then specchums, does anyone know how to get in touch with Mr. Gibson? Perhaps a word of mouth campaign will dig up some sort of contact detail....
  • edited September 2007
    I can't double-check at the moment as I'm at work, but if I remember from an issue of Edge fairly recently he was working as a programmer for Warthog. Their webpage (www.warthog.co.uk) doesn't exist any longer though so they may have gone down the pan.
  • edited September 2007
    Vampyre wrote: »
    I can't double-check at the moment as I'm at work, but if I remember from an issue of Edge fairly recently he was working as a programmer for Warthog. Their webpage (www.warthog.co.uk) doesn't exist any longer though so they may have gone down the pan.

    That was years ago. I replaced him (finishing off a GameBoy Advance project he was working on) at the now defunct Warthog. He left to work for the now defunct 3DO in the states. Then came back and started working for some company in Cheshire. He lives in Chester.

    http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/frobush/looney.html
  • edited September 2007
    frobush wrote: »
    That was years ago. I replaced him (finishing off a GameBoy Advance project he was working on) at the now defunct Warthog. He left to work for the now defunct 3DO in the states. Then came back and started working for some company in Cheshire. He lives in Chester.

    http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/frobush/looney.html

    It must not have been a recent issue of Edge then!
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