Einstein believed no more in a personal god than I do:
"From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our being." - Albert Einstein
Or is that a "lie" too?
I'm afraid this is an example of a website twisting what someone said to represent what they want him to believe.
Read the first part again:
"From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist"
From the point of view of a Jesuit priest, yes he's an Atheist, as am I. But that does not mean he is an Atheist, full stop. Here is a better quote:
"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."
And from another book I have:
"I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a pantheist."
Einstein is one of my heroes, and his God is my God too, summed up best in this quote:
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive With our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God."
I'm afraid this is an example of a website twisting what someone said to represent what they want him to believe.
Read the first part again:
"From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist"
From the point of view of a Jesuit priest, yes he's an Atheist, as am I. But that does not mean he is an Atheist, full stop. Here is a better quote:
"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."
And from another book I have:
"I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a pantheist."
Einstein is one of my heroes, and his God is my God too, summed up best in this quote:
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive With our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God."
Yeah :)
I'm afraid that you've totally missed Dawkins's point. I don't believe he ever said that Einstein didn't believe in such a god. Only that he didn't believe in a personal god, as portrayed by the major religions, which my quote supports and none of yours in any way refutes.
I've got absolutely no issues with anyone who wants to believe in such a god, as effectively you're going to view the universe as being as free from supernatural influence as would an atheist or agnostic. It's only when people choose to assign character and motives to their gods that they really become an issue.
I don't need a book to tell me how to behave, and act in a moral fashion.
You're seriously saying that you need to believe in a supreme being in order to know how to behave properly? Just because people don't believe in God, they don't have empathy for their fellow man?
You, sir, with your holier than thou ways, represent everything that is wrong with religion.
I'm sorry if that earlier post sounded a little too hot, I didn't mean to offend. When talking about Atheists, I'm using a capital "A", and by that I don't just mean those that don't believe in the Judeo-Christian God, because that would include me. I mean the raving fanatics that believe religion has no merit or meaning, and is actually an evil conspiracy over 2000 years to control the world. That view, to me, is just a couple of steps away from David Icke.
It scares me sometimes to think - when I die are all my thoughts gone?
I'm not losing sleep over it, but sometimes it makes me pause.
Relativity and quantum theory both suggest our thoughts exist forever but in different ways. Relativity says time is a dimension like space, it doesn't flow from A to B, that's just our perception of it. People live their lives within 4 imensions not 3. A dead person just exists in a different part of the 4th dimension. as soon as we invent a vehicle which can travel in 4 dimensions we can visit these people.
According to quantum theory the universe is separating into different versions all the time. There are different versions of you living different lives in other universes. Somebody has to experience the infinite number of versions of yourself in those universes, and it isn't me. I have an infinite number of different versions of my life to live out.
You don't need to believe in gods. We all live forever and none of us chose to be born. We just have to make the best of the die that is cast each time.
Relativity and quantum theory both suggest our thoughts exist forever but in different ways. Relativity says time is a dimension like space, it doesn't flow from A to B, that's just our perception of it. People live their lives within 4 imensions not 3. A dead person just exists in a different part of the 4th dimension. as soon as we invent a vehicle which can travel in 4 dimensions we can visit these people.
According to quantum theory the universe is separating into different versions all the time. There are different versions of you living different lives in other universes. Somebody has to experience the infinite number of versions of yourself in those universes, and it isn't me. I have an infinite number of different versions of my life to live out.
You don't need to believe in gods. We all live forever and none of us chose to be born. We just have to make the best of the die that is cast each time.
Ok if there are infinite versions of me living out there, each with it's own reality, in at least in one of those realities the universe does contain infinite number of realities. It's for this reason that I do not beleive this theory.
Ok if there are infinite versions of me living out there each with it's own reality, therefore in at least in one of those realities the universe does contain infinite number of realities. It's for this reason that I do not beleive this theory.
Not necessarily... the math gets a little strange and non-intuitive when it involves infinities and zeroes in the same equation. There are different sizes of infinity...
/not an expert.
/have a physics degree though :)
edit: just read the initial post you were quoting... Yeah, time travel in that sense is unlikely. However, if a machine is created, the latest belief is that it will be impossible to travel back before the time the machine was created.
(Theoretically it's possible to create such a machine with a wormhole with each end moving at radically different velocities - obviously beyond anything we're capable of for the forseeable future, seeing as it requires planet sized perfect spheres of pure metal for each end of the wormhole)
But the same book also shows stories of people who come back to life after being dead for days (Lazarus, etc.) or years (the army that's raised from a bunch of skeletons). Blah.
But the same book also shows stories of people who come back to life after being dead for days (Lazarus, etc.) or years (the army that's raised from a bunch of skeletons). Blah.
We live. We die. The end.
Spot on! That's exactly the output of the examples I put forth.
Gosh! It took this many pages to finally stumble over what this thread is all aboot ... *gosh* ... do we have quite the egg-splatters on our collective faces ... tsk, tsk ... this thread is about VIST ski-gear, not religions and such ... silly us.
Gosh! It took this many pages to finally stumble over what this thread is all aboot ... *gosh* ... do we have quite the egg-splatters on our collective faces ... tsk, tsk ... this thread is about VIST ski-gear, not religions and such ... silly us.
Wha.... You mean this argument was all for nothing??? :o
Okay I'll start another one. Jehovah's should never be selling Vists. It's immoral and will damage society. I also think... wait... what's that snoring noise? :D
Ahh well, just had a knock at the door, I saw two men in suits behind the frosted glass and thought oh no bloody sales men. Still I open the door and greeted the pair.
Well I suppose they were salesmen of a kind, salemen of God from the Watch Tower Bible society.
The proceeded to tell me about how god created the earth and that the earth is a bad place because Satan challenged God's authority.
I've been given a 30 page pamphlet to go away and read. Here's one quote.
"Therefore God allowed man a free rein clear down to our day to show beyond any doubt whether human rule independant of him can succeed"
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Nah, they are posted here on WOS
I'm afraid this is an example of a website twisting what someone said to represent what they want him to believe.
Read the first part again:
"From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist"
From the point of view of a Jesuit priest, yes he's an Atheist, as am I. But that does not mean he is an Atheist, full stop. Here is a better quote:
"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."
And from another book I have:
"I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a pantheist."
Einstein is one of my heroes, and his God is my God too, summed up best in this quote:
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive With our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God."
Yeah :)
https://discordapp.com/invite/cZt59EQ
Only the rubbish :D
I'm afraid that you've totally missed Dawkins's point. I don't believe he ever said that Einstein didn't believe in such a god. Only that he didn't believe in a personal god, as portrayed by the major religions, which my quote supports and none of yours in any way refutes.
I've got absolutely no issues with anyone who wants to believe in such a god, as effectively you're going to view the universe as being as free from supernatural influence as would an atheist or agnostic. It's only when people choose to assign character and motives to their gods that they really become an issue.
I'm sorry if that earlier post sounded a little too hot, I didn't mean to offend. When talking about Atheists, I'm using a capital "A", and by that I don't just mean those that don't believe in the Judeo-Christian God, because that would include me. I mean the raving fanatics that believe religion has no merit or meaning, and is actually an evil conspiracy over 2000 years to control the world. That view, to me, is just a couple of steps away from David Icke.
https://discordapp.com/invite/cZt59EQ
Relativity and quantum theory both suggest our thoughts exist forever but in different ways. Relativity says time is a dimension like space, it doesn't flow from A to B, that's just our perception of it. People live their lives within 4 imensions not 3. A dead person just exists in a different part of the 4th dimension. as soon as we invent a vehicle which can travel in 4 dimensions we can visit these people.
According to quantum theory the universe is separating into different versions all the time. There are different versions of you living different lives in other universes. Somebody has to experience the infinite number of versions of yourself in those universes, and it isn't me. I have an infinite number of different versions of my life to live out.
You don't need to believe in gods. We all live forever and none of us chose to be born. We just have to make the best of the die that is cast each time.
Ok if there are infinite versions of me living out there, each with it's own reality, in at least in one of those realities the universe does contain infinite number of realities. It's for this reason that I do not beleive this theory.
Not necessarily... the math gets a little strange and non-intuitive when it involves infinities and zeroes in the same equation. There are different sizes of infinity...
/not an expert.
/have a physics degree though :)
edit: just read the initial post you were quoting... Yeah, time travel in that sense is unlikely. However, if a machine is created, the latest belief is that it will be impossible to travel back before the time the machine was created.
(Theoretically it's possible to create such a machine with a wormhole with each end moving at radically different velocities - obviously beyond anything we're capable of for the forseeable future, seeing as it requires planet sized perfect spheres of pure metal for each end of the wormhole)
Andrew
Here are a couple of interesting things the Bible has to say about the dead:
Ecclesiastes9:5
"The living know that they will die;
but the dead know nothing..."
Isaiah26:14
"They are dead, they will not live;
they are deceased, they will not rise..."
Which I guess we could interpret then as "Yes But Don't Lose Sleep Over It"
Skarpo
;-)
We live. We die. The end.
Spot on! That's exactly the output of the examples I put forth.
Skarpo
:-)
Gosh! It took this many pages to finally stumble over what this thread is all aboot ... *gosh* ... do we have quite the egg-splatters on our collective faces ... tsk, tsk ... this thread is about VIST ski-gear, not religions and such ... silly us.
To quote the subject heading for this thread:
"I've just has a vist from the Jehovah's."
So ... I guess we can all settle down and become quaint little buddies again.
It may be slightly early for this, but Happy Skiing!
Beware of this guy ... he can be a bit bonkers.
Skarpo
:-)
....so thats where they got the dead parrot sketch from!
Nah! Not a single mention of the fjords :D
Wha.... You mean this argument was all for nothing??? :o
Okay I'll start another one. Jehovah's should never be selling Vists. It's immoral and will damage society. I also think... wait... what's that snoring noise? :D
https://discordapp.com/invite/cZt59EQ
Well I suppose they were salesmen of a kind, salemen of God from the Watch Tower Bible society.
The proceeded to tell me about how god created the earth and that the earth is a bad place because Satan challenged God's authority.
I've been given a 30 page pamphlet to go away and read. Here's one quote.
Ian Dury?
*hits scottie with his rhythm stick*
Can you spot where the ball is?