i thought it was the funniest thing ever. It was just his acidic humor. do pikeys even pay their TV license? i bet they bloody don't so they shouldn't be allowed to complain!
Whats the world coming to ! You cant say 'spaz' or 'joey' anymore as its offensive, now you cant say pikey and no doubt we cant call a kid with a hood over his head, black tracksuit, white socks and black trainers a 'chav' next ?!
Apparently so... A mate of mine got into a punch-up in a local pub once, and during the fight, he called the other bloke a "pikey". The other bloke came out of the fight looking a lot worse than my mate, and so pressed charges and took him to court. My mate got charged with "racially motivated" ABH (and he did time for it too)!?!
Although, I would say..never get your drive tarmac'ed by a gypo..they only go an con ya by putting 2mm depth down. Damn gypos. I say to them..'NO THANKS, on your way, I don't want any pots or pans or clothespegs.'
My grandad used to say..'nail everything down, the gypos are here in town'..he wasn't being rascist..just truthful
Reading the report, it seems the word "pickey" isn't actually a racist term but it can be used as one. Taking that into account, I'd say treating it as racist in any context term is a bit foolish.
Here's an interesting bit of the report:
""The language of snobbishness and class distinction has come right back, with words like 'posh' or 'pleb' or 'prol', words I thought had disappeared in the late 60s."
Now, I'd dismiss the idea that these words "disappeared" in the late 60s (the person quoted is probably refering to their own social circle) but it's notable that a certain amount of snobbery has become acceptable. I think it's largely because media people, who used to have to hide their middle-class prejudices during the "right-on" '80s and '90s have now decided amongst themselves that it's acceptable to be a snob again. Of course, the "Chav" thing wasn't originally snobbery so much as a dislike of a certain personality-type but it's been allowed to extend beyond that to encompass anyone in a certain income bracket.
Well I'd hang all these pikeys and chavs and charvas and neds and all them scummy fuckers in an instant I'd kick them all to death for fun, fuck them the scummy cunts fuck them all fucking cunts!!!!!!
I'll continue to say things that will annoy scum, and say it with pride fuck em'.
However I would never refer to a real gypsy or travelling person as a pikey, this is the life they have chosen and I respect that (so long as they don't nick my washing off the line :D....nah just kidding).
I keep hearing how gypsies arent all the same, how we shouldnt tar them with the same brush.
I've seen some gypsies set up illegal camps in the past, i've heard all this 'we have no where to go' type stuff.
I've never ever come across gypsies who have moved on and put all their rubbish in a pile. It always looks a huge rubbish tip with crap all over the place, stuff damaged, crime goes up the second they are near a neighbourhood. Theyre going round doing dodgy driveways etc.
I've NEVER come across any decent gypsies who set up camp and then leave with not too much of a mess.
You get many stereotypes of people/races which are unfair and very rude, but when it comes to the stereotypical gypsies i'm sorry but i've never met any decent travellers. Where i used to live in Berkshire it was a nightmare with them setting up, ruining things and the council having to sit back for weeks on end to go through the proper legal way to get rid of them
its funny how once gypsys have been to a site, bollards are soon erected after they have left to stop them coming back.
ive always wondered who do they breed with? i've never heard of them trying to get people to come with them. or do the meet up with another load of them and swap their kids etc.
It's all about the context though... was there any NEED for that sort of comment at a Formula 1 race? Even if he meant it ironically, because of the problems with the track, it's still (to my mind) the wrong phrase at the wrong time.
It's all about the context though... was there any NEED for that sort of comment at a Formula 1 race? Even if he meant it ironically, because of the problems with the track, it's still (to my mind) the wrong phrase at the wrong time.
well max mosley like's nazi's so i think racist remarks are a must at modern formula 1 events these days.
Really, cos all I keep hearing is the same old racist claptrap that's been going around for hundreds of years. I'm proud of my Romany ancestry.
Well having the ancestry and living in a trailer on somone elses property are 2 different things...you're not a pikey/gypo if you don't live the traveling life...I had a few run ins with Gypos when I was in England..none of them good.
Really, cos all I keep hearing is the same old racist claptrap that's been going around for hundreds of years. I'm proud of my Romany ancestry.
You know we're not going on about people like that. We're talking about travellers in caravans, not all of them are gypsies, some are just freeloaders wanting to doss and take the mick.
I've got welsh blood in me but dont get my knickers in a twist when i hear the next comment about me having sex with a sheep.
Like i say based on my evidence the last 20 years (i remember when some gypsies set up camp in our school and were there for ages) any people in a caravan (normally called gypsies) are a complete pain. I wouldnt call it a stereotype, i would call it an honest view. I dont see how its racist claptrap, these people in caravans (we're not talking about romany gypsies, theyre just 'gypsies' and can be any race or any colour) take the mick and are a complete pain.
Surely you cant throw out the race card here ? IF i had come across any gypsies the last 30 years who didnt do a dodgy drive (the neighbour got some gypsies to do it, stupid him, of course it was a dire job) or didnt leave the illegal ground they were on looking like a complete rubbish tip i would be agreeing with you. 'Perhaps' i just somehow knew/met the bad gypsies and didnt meet/hear/see the other 99% who are great law abiding citizens who always leave a nice clean area
Reading the report, it seems the word "pickey" isn't actually a racist term but it can be used as one. Taking that into account, I'd say treating it as racist in any context term is a bit foolish.
As always it's the context that makes something racist or not but whenever a term is used the person seems to be considered guilty and have to prove their innocence which is backwards IMHO bad for society, freedom and the language as a whole.
I have heard there is a county in the US where the phrase 'Fried Chicken' was being used as a term of abuse against black people and an annoyed mayor made the phrase illegal which made it difficult for places selling fried chicken to stay within the letter of the law. Ironically the very people who used the phrase to refer to the black population thought this would be an improvment since less black people would be out a night buying fried chicken.
Languages should be allowed to evolve naturally which doesn't involve crimalising people using certain words or phrases just those who use them in a hateful way.
I have heard there is a county in the US where the phrase 'Fried Chicken' was being used as a term of abuse against black people and an annoyed mayor made the phrase illegal which made it difficult for places selling fried chicken to stay within the letter of the law. Ironically the very people who used the phrase to refer to the black population thought this would be an improvment since less black people would be out a night buying fried chicken.
Languages should be allowed to evolve naturally which doesn't involve crimalising people using certain words or phrases just those who use them in a hateful way.
Is that true ? Thats unbelievable !
As i've said before i do really like Chris Rock but if a white comedian did a 'voice' of a black person, there would be uproar, when Chris Rock does his 'white guy' voice no one seems bothered.
Its like the french calling me 'roast beef' when i worked there (their term for the english), i find it funny but i could probably throw the race card there if i really could be bothered.
Some banning of words/phrases are good but in our PC world now (i dont mean the computer shop) its crazy when they ban Xmas words in December in case it offends people etc, just goes over the top.
Political correctness gone mad to dust off the old pile of bollocks has actually happened because to be perfectly politically correct these days is often to be completely incorrect, and in attempting to be PC you will probably offend more with your good intentions.
I find that being yourself is the best ticket and if somebody was genuinely offended by what you say or your mannerisms just apologise and say "sorry mate didn't think you'd be bothered".
That's stereotyping. It is statistically impossible that every single gypsy is a bad person. The more this sort of stuff gets repeated, the more it reinforces the stereotype. You can argue the toss over some terms, but in your reply you've used a word which is as offensive as kike. Please don't use it again.
Yeah your right it is stereotyping..and when you are decidely UNpolicitally correct as I am stereotyping is a good thing...not a bad thing.
I'm not going to go walking through a 'insert the word that offends thee here' camp at 11pm because I have a pretty good idea what would happen to me if I did.....based on previous experience of actually walking through one and what happened to me.
That's stereotyping. It is statistically impossible that every single gypsy is a bad person. The more this sort of stuff gets repeated, the more it reinforces the stereotype.
I've lived and worked in close proximity to three separate sets of travellers and one set of squatters (not simultaneously!). The travellers left the fields a tip, and the squatters trashed the house. All were uninvited, and all didn't give a damn about the hassles they were giving the owners or the people who had to pass by in order to go to work.
It's the actions which reinforce the stereotype, not the words.
Calling them "pikeys" is just to give the people a collective name and is harmless. Get rid of those who cause the real trouble, and you get rid of the word "pikey" and all the problems that they cause.
Why does it offend you when people are clearly refering to the lifestyle rather than the race. And I am assuming you do not live that lifestyle so your heritage is irrelevant if thats the case.
You could say a same analogy would be regular white people and CHAVS...chavs would be the equivalent of 'travelers' to 'regular folk' but non-chavs don't get offended by the name.
am i still allowed to call beanz a gaylord, dm_boozefreek trailer trash, greencard79 swarthy, psj a sothern poof, scottie a sex offender, cornishdave a spacker??
Oh dear oh dear, you're still at it you gluey, once again Beanz lives where all the cows are, and funnily enough Rollings lives way further south than I do. Why don't you get onto him about it?
I LIVE IN A HOUSE you Yorkshire pudding eating, tea drinking gaylord!!!! Go hammer a few prossers heads in, and take some kids out on the moors for a "leisurely stroll".
Oh dear oh dear, you're still at it you gluey, once again Beanz lives where all the cows are, and funnily enough Rollings lives way further south than I do. Why don't you get onto him about it?
I LIVE IN A HOUSE you Yorkshire pudding eating, tea drinking gaylord!!!! Go hammer a few prossers heads in, and take some kids out on the moors for a "leisurely stroll".
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i thought it was the funniest thing ever. It was just his acidic humor. do pikeys even pay their TV license? i bet they bloody don't so they shouldn't be allowed to complain!
Ridiculous !
Apparently so... A mate of mine got into a punch-up in a local pub once, and during the fight, he called the other bloke a "pikey". The other bloke came out of the fight looking a lot worse than my mate, and so pressed charges and took him to court. My mate got charged with "racially motivated" ABH (and he did time for it too)!?!
Although, I would say..never get your drive tarmac'ed by a gypo..they only go an con ya by putting 2mm depth down. Damn gypos. I say to them..'NO THANKS, on your way, I don't want any pots or pans or clothespegs.'
My grandad used to say..'nail everything down, the gypos are here in town'..he wasn't being rascist..just truthful
He won't be on for a while, He'll be off in the woods checking on his moonshine stills.
he he, prolly selling some lucky heather to people in the 'smoke'.
Here's an interesting bit of the report:
""The language of snobbishness and class distinction has come right back, with words like 'posh' or 'pleb' or 'prol', words I thought had disappeared in the late 60s."
Now, I'd dismiss the idea that these words "disappeared" in the late 60s (the person quoted is probably refering to their own social circle) but it's notable that a certain amount of snobbery has become acceptable. I think it's largely because media people, who used to have to hide their middle-class prejudices during the "right-on" '80s and '90s have now decided amongst themselves that it's acceptable to be a snob again. Of course, the "Chav" thing wasn't originally snobbery so much as a dislike of a certain personality-type but it's been allowed to extend beyond that to encompass anyone in a certain income bracket.
I'll continue to say things that will annoy scum, and say it with pride fuck em'.
However I would never refer to a real gypsy or travelling person as a pikey, this is the life they have chosen and I respect that (so long as they don't nick my washing off the line :D....nah just kidding).
I've seen some gypsies set up illegal camps in the past, i've heard all this 'we have no where to go' type stuff.
I've never ever come across gypsies who have moved on and put all their rubbish in a pile. It always looks a huge rubbish tip with crap all over the place, stuff damaged, crime goes up the second they are near a neighbourhood. Theyre going round doing dodgy driveways etc.
I've NEVER come across any decent gypsies who set up camp and then leave with not too much of a mess.
You get many stereotypes of people/races which are unfair and very rude, but when it comes to the stereotypical gypsies i'm sorry but i've never met any decent travellers. Where i used to live in Berkshire it was a nightmare with them setting up, ruining things and the council having to sit back for weeks on end to go through the proper legal way to get rid of them
ive always wondered who do they breed with? i've never heard of them trying to get people to come with them. or do the meet up with another load of them and swap their kids etc.
well max mosley like's nazi's so i think racist remarks are a must at modern formula 1 events these days.
Well having the ancestry and living in a trailer on somone elses property are 2 different things...you're not a pikey/gypo if you don't live the traveling life...I had a few run ins with Gypos when I was in England..none of them good.
You know we're not going on about people like that. We're talking about travellers in caravans, not all of them are gypsies, some are just freeloaders wanting to doss and take the mick.
I've got welsh blood in me but dont get my knickers in a twist when i hear the next comment about me having sex with a sheep.
Like i say based on my evidence the last 20 years (i remember when some gypsies set up camp in our school and were there for ages) any people in a caravan (normally called gypsies) are a complete pain. I wouldnt call it a stereotype, i would call it an honest view. I dont see how its racist claptrap, these people in caravans (we're not talking about romany gypsies, theyre just 'gypsies' and can be any race or any colour) take the mick and are a complete pain.
Surely you cant throw out the race card here ? IF i had come across any gypsies the last 30 years who didnt do a dodgy drive (the neighbour got some gypsies to do it, stupid him, of course it was a dire job) or didnt leave the illegal ground they were on looking like a complete rubbish tip i would be agreeing with you. 'Perhaps' i just somehow knew/met the bad gypsies and didnt meet/hear/see the other 99% who are great law abiding citizens who always leave a nice clean area
Interestingly 'Prolly' is one of the terms discussed in the article as offensive.
As always it's the context that makes something racist or not but whenever a term is used the person seems to be considered guilty and have to prove their innocence which is backwards IMHO bad for society, freedom and the language as a whole.
I have heard there is a county in the US where the phrase 'Fried Chicken' was being used as a term of abuse against black people and an annoyed mayor made the phrase illegal which made it difficult for places selling fried chicken to stay within the letter of the law. Ironically the very people who used the phrase to refer to the black population thought this would be an improvment since less black people would be out a night buying fried chicken.
Languages should be allowed to evolve naturally which doesn't involve crimalising people using certain words or phrases just those who use them in a hateful way.
Is that true ? Thats unbelievable !
As i've said before i do really like Chris Rock but if a white comedian did a 'voice' of a black person, there would be uproar, when Chris Rock does his 'white guy' voice no one seems bothered.
Its like the french calling me 'roast beef' when i worked there (their term for the english), i find it funny but i could probably throw the race card there if i really could be bothered.
Some banning of words/phrases are good but in our PC world now (i dont mean the computer shop) its crazy when they ban Xmas words in December in case it offends people etc, just goes over the top.
I find that being yourself is the best ticket and if somebody was genuinely offended by what you say or your mannerisms just apologise and say "sorry mate didn't think you'd be bothered".
Yeah your right it is stereotyping..and when you are decidely UNpolicitally correct as I am stereotyping is a good thing...not a bad thing.
I'm not going to go walking through a 'insert the word that offends thee here' camp at 11pm because I have a pretty good idea what would happen to me if I did.....based on previous experience of actually walking through one and what happened to me.
Stereotyping = good for personal safety.
I've lived and worked in close proximity to three separate sets of travellers and one set of squatters (not simultaneously!). The travellers left the fields a tip, and the squatters trashed the house. All were uninvited, and all didn't give a damn about the hassles they were giving the owners or the people who had to pass by in order to go to work.
It's the actions which reinforce the stereotype, not the words.
Calling them "pikeys" is just to give the people a collective name and is harmless. Get rid of those who cause the real trouble, and you get rid of the word "pikey" and all the problems that they cause.
You've never heard of Affirmative action have you.
Why does it offend you when people are clearly refering to the lifestyle rather than the race. And I am assuming you do not live that lifestyle so your heritage is irrelevant if thats the case.
You could say a same analogy would be regular white people and CHAVS...chavs would be the equivalent of 'travelers' to 'regular folk' but non-chavs don't get offended by the name.
Oh dear oh dear, you're still at it you gluey, once again Beanz lives where all the cows are, and funnily enough Rollings lives way further south than I do. Why don't you get onto him about it?
I LIVE IN A HOUSE you Yorkshire pudding eating, tea drinking gaylord!!!! Go hammer a few prossers heads in, and take some kids out on the moors for a "leisurely stroll".
Did I get enough stereotypes in? :D
i prefer coffee actually. :grin:
It's a stretch to call a log cabin in the woods a house.
Fuck off! :p