US Elections: It's going to be McCain/Palin, isn't it?

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  • edited November 2008
    Listening to News 24 it seems like tensions between Russia and the US are again raising their ugly and fearfull head.

    I imagine that the Russians are assurting themselves and attempting to strike fear into the new presedent.
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    Scottie_uk wrote: »
    Listening to News 24 it seems like tensions between Russia and the US are again raising their ugly and fearfull head.

    I imagine that the Russians are assurting themselves and attempting to strike fear into the new presedent.

    They've been rattling sabres for a while now - plenty of new diplomacy needed between those two countries.
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    Russia by now probably has all but 1 of it's nukes trained on the USA, the remaining 1 is probably aimed at the UK :D
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  • edited November 2008
    NickH wrote: »
    They've been rattling sabres for a while now - plenty of new diplomacy needed between those two countries.

    On BBC news 24 it was said that Russia today spoke out in disfavour (is that a word?) of Americas missile defence system and vowed that it was going to build a misile base in Poland.
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    Scottie_uk wrote: »
    On BBC news 24 it was said that Russia today spoke out in disfavour (is that a word?) of Americas missile defence system and vowed that it was going to build a misile base in Poland.

    Yeah, that's just an opening gambit - there's a lot of bargaining to be done.

    You know what I'm going to miss now that the Election's over? Being able to watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report and being able to understand most of the jokes. The choice of a US president is a global issue, and so I can get a handle on all of that, but day-to-day American domestic politics? Doesn't really grab my interest.
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    Brown v Cameron 2010, anyone?
  • edited November 2008
    NickH wrote: »
    Brown v Cameron 2010, anyone?

    I think it's a shame that Mingiss Campbell [1] resigned, because we could have had Ming the Merciless vs Flash Gordon at the next election :-)

    [1] Yes I know it's spelled Menzies. On the same token, should the newsagent John Menzies be pronounced John Mingiss?
  • edited November 2008
    Winston wrote: »
    Whoever had won, the election has been a victory for democracy - it was the highest election turnout by voters since the 1960s. Also, the campaign has been less negative than ones before it.

    hardly! haha damn Winston I never thought I would hear something so funny from you!

    The mass media was in Obamas camp from day 1, 300 million of Obamas campaign funds were from foreign sources.....It was a bought election.....democracy was most definitely absent.
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    beanz wrote: »
    hardly! haha damn Winston I never thought I would hear something so funny from you!

    The mass media was in Obamas camp from day 1, 300 million of Obamas campaign funds were from foreign sources.....It was a bought election.....democracy was most definitely absent.

    just because the media backed him and he had more money to spend on his campaign, doesn't mean to say people didn't have a fair vote. that what democracy it.

    it's only a bought election if you are paying voters to vote for you.

    now go back to stewing in your sour grapes. :p
  • edited November 2008
    beanz wrote: »
    hardly! haha damn Winston I never thought I would hear something so funny from you!

    The mass media was in Obamas camp from day 1, 300 million of Obamas campaign funds were from foreign sources.....It was a bought election.....democracy was most definitely absent.
    That smacks of sour grapes.
    McCain was never going to win, both the current financial climate and George W Bush ensured that. People wanted change.
    Whilst McCain fought the best campaign he could the wave of change across the USA was overwhelming.
    He did make some fundamental mistakes, he poured a lot of his money into states he didn't win (Florida, Pennsylvania). Palin became more of a liability the longer the campaign went on and his campaign team were always slower to react to the change in public mood than Obama's.

    The size of victory was larger than I predicted though the popular vote was a lot closer and McCain was extremely gratious in defeat.
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  • edited November 2008
    NickH wrote: »
    They've been rattling sabres for a while now - plenty of new diplomacy needed between those two countries.

    I think Russian-US relations are the only foreign relations that aren't going to be improved by Obama's victory. Russia's promising to get more aggressive no matter what happens. They'll be a major challenge to the new administration in Washington but, given that US-European ties will doubtless be much stronger now, the US wil probably be better-poised to deal with the situation.
  • edited November 2008
    Oh jesus!....haha the socialists can't take a joke...Am I a new poster here?!

    I'm preparing my 'I told you so thread' for 2 years from now!
    (Note the above is also a light hearted attempt at making me feel better today)
  • edited November 2008
    You'll be alright :D
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  • edited November 2008
    It might take a while....hold me.
  • edited November 2008
    gaylords :D
  • edited November 2008
    mile wrote: »
    gaylords :D

    And the beauty of that is under Obama we can now live happily as man and wife (boozy=wife).
  • edited November 2008
    beanz wrote: »
    And the beauty of that is under Obama we can now live happily as man and wife (boozy=wife).

    ha ha i can see you both living comfortable in his trailer, a cross between the odd couple and brokeback mountain. :D
  • edited November 2008
    Zagreb wrote: »
    I think Russian-US relations are the only foreign relations that aren't going to be improved by Obama's victory. Russia's promising to get more aggressive no matter what happens. They'll be a major challenge to the new administration in Washington but, given that US-European ties will doubtless be much stronger now, the US wil probably be better-poised to deal with the situation.

    I dunno. Difficult to tell really - any public statements are made mainly to appease various supporters back home. The real diplomacy happens behind closed doors.

    And I can understand Putin's position - Gorbachev and Yeltsin brought in a new era of freedom on the assumption that life there will get better for everybody. Whilst it's improved, it's been too little in too long.

    So, Putin's bringing back some of the old ways because the new ways aren't working fast enough.

    It'll sort itself out in the next ten or twenty years - providing no one stupidly antagonizes them.
  • edited November 2008
    Beanz, I just gotta know this: do you think Palin would have made a great president should McCain have died next year?
  • edited November 2008
    Sadly, every rose has its thorns: Proposal 8, making gay marriage "unconstitutional", has passed.

    Still, at least American society is still slowly evolving.
  • edited November 2008
    NickH wrote: »
    Beanz, I just gotta know this: do you think Palin would have made a great president should McCain have died next year?


    I don't think any of the 4 would make a great president...it was always the lesser of (4) evils.

    Being a conservative myself I think she would have done OK.....she has a 80% approval rating in the state she governs and a lot of her policies agree with what I think.

    EDIT: she IS the only one of the 4 that has held an executive office in government.
  • edited November 2008
    beanz wrote: »
    I don't think any of the 4 would make a great president...it was always the lesser of (4) evils.

    Being a conservative myself I think she would have done OK.....she has a 80% approval rating in the state she governs and a lot of her policies agree with what I think.

    EDIT: she IS the only one of the 4 that has held an executive office in government.

    didn't she abuse that office for personal reasons though?

    no woman should be given that much responsabilty. the only women in the white house should be first ladies and sexy interns.
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    aowen wrote: »
    However, expression of sexual orientation is not a right enshrined in the constitution.

    And never should be....The constitution hugely summarized basically says...government intervention in your lives will be minimal. Any Government should concentrate on running the country...not getting involved in 'civil' issues or law making.
  • edited November 2008
    mile wrote: »
    didn't she abuse that office for personal reasons though?

    ?

    Are you talking about the police chief she fired? Well thats debatable as he was deffo shady....but then name me a politician that hasn't!
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    beanz wrote: »
    ?

    Are you talking about the police chief she fired? Well thats debatable as he was deffo shady....but then name me a politician that hasn't!

    im sure 'he's a bit shady' is perfectly acceptable reason for firing someone.
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    mile wrote: »
    im sure 'he's a bit shady' is perfectly acceptable reason for firing someone.

    If you're a police chief...hell ya!
  • edited November 2008
    beanz wrote: »
    If you're a police chief...hell ya!

    its all relative now, cos she didn't get the job, and that's a great thing, the evil cow.
  • edited November 2008
    ...and she was cleared of any wrong doing....

    An investigation by the Alaska Personnel Board has cleared Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, of alleged ethics violations related to her firing of the state's public safety commissioner, according to media reports Monday.
    Associated Press reported that the personnel board's findings counter earlier, separate findings that resulted from a state legislative investigation.
    "There is no probable cause to believe that the governor, or any other state official, violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act in connection with these matters," an attorney hired by the personnel board wrote in his report, according to CNN.
    An earlier, separate report issued by a state legislative committee found that Palin abused her authority in firing the public safety commissioner, who had alleged he was pressured by Palin to fire a state trooper divorced from Palin's sister.
  • edited November 2008
    mile wrote: »
    its all relative now, cos she didn't get the job, and that's a great thing, the evil cow.

    Oh she will be back in 2012..don't worry.
  • edited November 2008
    beanz wrote: »
    ...and she was cleared of any wrong doing....

    An investigation by the Alaska Personnel Board has cleared Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, of alleged ethics violations related to her firing of the state's public safety commissioner, according to media reports Monday.
    Associated Press reported that the personnel board's findings counter earlier, separate findings that resulted from a state legislative investigation.
    "There is no probable cause to believe that the governor, or any other state official, violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act in connection with these matters," an attorney hired by the personnel board wrote in his report, according to CNN.
    An earlier, separate report issued by a state legislative committee found that Palin abused her authority in firing the public safety commissioner, who had alleged he was pressured by Palin to fire a state trooper divorced from Palin's sister.

    and you trust the law courts in that country that much?

    only when they suit your arguments i presume. :D
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