games with bullfighting?

edited October 2008 in Games
how many are there?
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  • edited September 2008
    Taking the Bait by Dan Solo, oh wait you said Bull Fighting.
  • edited September 2008
    Theres one game i know the title of...

    "Barbaric 'sport' which doesnt belong in the year 2008 which is sickening to most people with a brain"

    Forget who the software house was though.

    Seriously i know theres one or two in the archive but thankfully they didnt get any decent reviews because of the subject matter
  • edited September 2008
    Travels with Trashman

    And something sounding like, 'El Torro' (not sure how it's spelt.) There was one as part of the CGC a while back too.
  • edited September 2008
    There was Raging Beast, published on the C64 but missing in action for the Spectrum. World Games features bull riding...
  • edited September 2008
    psj3809 wrote: »
    Theres one game i know the title of...

    "Barbaric 'sport' which doesnt belong in the year 2008 which is sickening to most people with a brain"

    Forget who the software house was though.

    Seriously i know theres one or two in the archive but thankfully they didnt get any decent reviews because of the subject matter

    Well I'm from portugal, and bullfighting never really shocked me (although in portugal we don't kill the bull in the arena, and bullfighting is done on a horse).

    however, I've once been in Spain watching a bullfight, and the thin line betwen life and death for both the bull and the bullfighter is something quite amazing to watch...but I do admit that in this modern times it is barbaric (although the particular species of bulls used for bullfighting would not exist if it wasnt for the fighting, someting I find quite ironic).

    It's quite interesting to see how in the 80's games like this could "come out" it seems impossible to imagine a bullfighting game for playstation or nintendo Wii (although we do have games with hunting...)
  • edited September 2008
    VanTammen wrote: »
    It's quite interesting to see how in the 80's games like this could "come out" it seems impossible to imagine a bullfighting game for playstation or nintendo Wii (although we do have games with hunting...)


    *bleugh* ... I can just imagine delivering the coup de gr?ce via the Wiimote and nunchuk ... :-(
  • edited September 2008
    psj3809 wrote: »
    Theres one game i know the title of...

    "Barbaric 'sport' which doesnt belong in the year 2008 which is sickening to most people with a brain"

    Forget who the software house was though.

    Seriously i know theres one or two in the archive but thankfully they didnt get any decent reviews because of the subject matter

    Interesting question!

    First of all I must say I don't like bullfighting and many people in Spain don't like either. Visit www.pacma.es and learn more about it (in english).

    Every country has its own disgrace, and no need no point it out...

    Ole, Toro it's simply a game, 'a barbaric game', you may say, but do you agree with me that there are lots of 'barbaric games' in the archive that unfortunately got any decent review?

    An example: Green Beret, where you kill every man you came across (and dogs too, at the end of level one).

    Other example: Commando.

    Other: Rambo.

    Other: Gladiator (terrible, in the latter ones the excuse is the war and defend your country, but in this game there isn't any excuse)

    Other: ... tons of games.

    I think these games (ole toro included) are only games...
  • edited September 2008
    An example: Green Beret, where you kill every man you came across (and dogs too, at the end of level one).

    I thought they were sheep not dogs ?

    If youre gonna kill an animal kill it humanely, sticking spears in its back and basically torturing it is terrible. Dont get me wrong i hate to think of the way lots of sheeps/chickens are killed but they dont do it for 'sport'.
    VanTammen wrote: »
    Well I'm from portugal, and bullfighting never really shocked me (although in portugal we don't kill the bull in the arena, and bullfighting is done on a horse).

    however, I've once been in Spain watching a bullfight, and the thin line betwen life and death for both the bull and the bullfighter is something quite amazing to watch.

    I just dont get bull fighting. How could people sit in an arena to see a poor animal teased and then slowly being tortured and then killed ? Just disgusting. Same for cock fighting or dog fighting which goes on illegally in some places in the UK. Just belongs in the Stone Age. I'm disgusted by people who go to these events, yeah lets all go and see an animal slowly go to his death.

    I would rather be happy if that particular species of bull was extinct then if it meant they werent tortured/killed for 'fun' of some sickos.

    Dont get me wrong i know this is only a game someones looking for on the Speccy but bullfighting normally brings up quite a few heated discussions, specially if someone seems to think its quite amazing to watch or even just goes to it. I wouldnt dream of supporting bullfighting by going to one of these events, its one major reason why I dont go to Spain anymore. Would rather give my money as a tourist elsewhere.

    As for Green Beret, Commando, if there were people who actually sat in a ring and watched these soldiers kill people for fun and paid money to watch then i would think they were sick too.
  • edited September 2008

    This could be the best among the very few titles of this gender.
    But if you are looking for a real massacre then get Commando, where you can kill hundreds of humans. Or Barbarian: the way you can chop heads off is really cool. But whatever you do, don't you dare to attack innocent pixelated animals. Killing animals is cruel, it's not like they are disposable, like human beens... right?

    Review for Ole, toro from Crash magazine
    oletoroag6.jpg

    Review of Barbarian from Crash magazine.
    BARBARIAN
    Palace

    85% Issue 41
    Screenshot

    RICKY Scream! Maria Whittaker!! Pornography!!! There was great moral outrage over the luscious lady who advertised this Gothic horror beat-'em-up - and over the notorious CRASH cover.

    Fight your way through screens of beautifully animated bashing action to release Princess Marina from the evil Drax...

    When you knock off an opponent in Barbarian, a deformed lizard creature trundles the body away. Little touches like this make the game worthwhile, though experts may find it a bit simple. Still, Barbarian is one of my top combat games; Fist is wearing a bit thin these days.

    Now programmer Steve Brown is developing Barbarian II...
    90%

    ROBIN Barbarian is one of the best beat-em-ups I've played. Most of the graphics are monochromatic, but this enhances the game rather than detracting from the super-smooth animation.

    It's instantly playable, and for such a simple idea it's surprisingly addictive. The two-player game is one of the best features of Barbarian - you can invite your friends round for a slice'n'dice party. So if you want nothing more than a straightforward brutal fighting game, this is the one to get.
    85%

    Review for Commando from Crash magazine.
    'Elite have done a brilliant job, converting this arcade game for the Spectrum. The action is fast and furious, and should present a lasting challenge to anyone addicted to shoot em ups. Plenty of practice will be needed to get far into the game - it's very easy to concentrate on wiping out the enemy but you've got to remember to dodge their bullets too! Horribly violent, and not much of an intellectual challenge - but great fun. Get it.'

    Use of computer 86%
    Graphics 92%
    Playability 95%
    Getting started 94%
    Addictive qualities 95%
    Value for money 92%
    Overall 94%
  • edited September 2008
    raindog wrote: »
    But if you are looking for a real massacre then get Commando, where you can kill hundreds of humans. Or Barbarian: the way you can chop heads off is really cool. But whatever you do, don't you dare to attack innocent pixelated animals. Killing animals is cruel, it's not like they are disposable, like human beens... right?

    Exactly ! Great point. Did you register just to write that then ?

    If killing humans was a 'sport', was televised in some countries and people paid to go and watch it then yeah its barbaric as anything obviously and i'll be ranting about that as well.

    If theres a game where you kill animals Eg Green Beret with its 'sheep' or Saboteur) then no one gets offended, if its a game based on a controversial 'sport' then some people will rightly get upset/offended/annoyed by it. Look at the controversy the Princess Diana flash game got in the press.
  • edited September 2008
    psj3809 wrote: »
    Exactly ! Great point. Did you register just to write that then ?

    If killing humans was a 'sport', was televised in some countries and people paid to go and watch it then yeah its barbaric as anything obviously and i'll be ranting about that as well.

    If theres a game where you kill animals Eg Green Beret with its 'sheep' or Saboteur) then no one gets offended, if its a game based on a controversial 'sport' then some people will rightly get upset/offended/annoyed by it. Look at the controversy the Princess Diana flash game got in the press.
    Here we are talking about games, games and hypocrisy. Some games glorify war and kill humans in a cool way, but that?s all right.
  • edited September 2008
    raindog wrote: »
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    Excellently-stupid use of scare-quotes, there. Yeah, this so-called "software". It's a hat, really.

    Bullfighting may be a cruel sport but a video game representation of it is just that: a game. It's entirely separate from the real thing.
  • edited September 2008
    psj3809 wrote: »
    Exactly ! Great point. Did you register just to write that then ?

    If killing humans was a 'sport', was televised in some countries and people paid to go and watch it then yeah its barbaric as anything obviously and i'll be ranting about that as well.

    If theres a game where you kill animals Eg Green Beret with its 'sheep' or Saboteur) then no one gets offended, if its a game based on a controversial 'sport' then some people will rightly get upset/offended/annoyed by it. Look at the controversy the Princess Diana flash game got in the press.

    People will get overly-sensitive about something which touches on their own moral and political positions whilst ignoring much worse stuff. I remember around the time of the Dunblane massacre there was a sudden hypersensitivity towards the depiction of firearms for a few weeks which passed and people got on with watching posturing actors pointing guns at each other and shouting "you slaag" as usual. As has been mentioned, if someone is going to demand a game be censored (which is what that CRASH reviewer was doing, even if he didn't have the guts to call it by its name) because they it depicts something they find distasteful then they're going to be called-out as a hypocrite at some point because so many video games depict violence and murder. As has been suggested above, why is Bullfighting a case for pulling a game off the shelf but two humans going at each other with swords not?
  • edited September 2008
    I totally agree, i went OTT because someone mentioned about going to a bullfight and how 'amazing' it was to watch.

    But yeah of course its totally different from real life, just its a controversial 'sport'. Again if two people were on tv going at it with swords and one of them dies with people watching then there would obviously be uproar.

    If there was a game about cock fighting or dog fighting it would be very controverisal whereas a game like Cobra shooting prams/people is just 'fun' as everyone (apart from mentals) knows its just a game and not real life.

    A game which depicts bull fighting (which disgusts most people) or dog fighting would be hopefully panned by magazines/people.

    I do get what you mean though, tough one to discuss. After Dunblane if there was a game about shooting people (soldiers) it might not get that much criticism, if there was a game with you going into a school and shooting kids then rightly so (as its based on a real life tragedy) there would be uproar.

    Killing dogs in Saboteur is just a game (as the game isnt true life) but a real 'sport' like bullfighting is totally different (as would a game be about dog fighting). Yeah theyre both a 'game' but sadly based on sickening true life events.
  • edited September 2008
    all sports involving animals should be banned, i don't see a lot of difference between bull fighting and horse racing.

    yeah we all love the grand national, but what about that poor horse that was shot this year?

    oh look its leg is broke, let's blow its brains out.

    just leave em alone, and let kiddies ride them at farms.

    and as for the computer game debate, you get the same thing in movies, you can have some evil nazi's massacering hundreds of civilians with viewers watching on in grim horror, but as soon as a dog croaks, everyone starts fillling up. odd really, probably something to do with animals being nicer that humans. ie a cat might bite you but it probably won't shag your best mate, and give you VD.
  • edited September 2008
    mile wrote: »
    a cat might bite you but it probably won't shag your best mate, and give you VD.

    I'm seriously considering this as my new sig
  • edited September 2008
    Rockford wrote: »
    I'm seriously considering this as my new sig

    he he, lol.

    but i think its quiet true, thats why people like psj feel closer to animals than humans. its true there are some bad animals out there like that spider who attacked znorxman, but most people only have good experiences with pets etc
  • edited September 2008
    mile wrote: »
    but i think its quiet true, thats why people like psj feel closer to animals than humans. its true there are some bad animals out there like that spider who attacked znorxman, but most people only have good experiences with pets etc

    I agree about horse racing (greyhound racing is even worse), the second the horse/dog cant perform then its out with the gun despite many times earning its owner a lot of money. See loads of abandoned greyhounds at the sanctuary i'm a volunteer at, at least they survive, many of them are killed or just thrown out once they cant win anymore races.

    Just had a phone call today as well, taking our dog to a vet specialist on Thursday to see if theres anything they can do about his sight (hes blind), a tv crew will be there also. Already been filmed a few times for this documentary series starting next year. Gonna be embarassing to watch when its on but what the heck !
  • edited September 2008
    mile wrote: »
    he he, lol.

    but i think its quiet true, thats why people like psj feel closer to animals than humans. its true there are some bad animals out there like that spider who attacked znorxman, but most people only have good experiences with pets etc

    I took myself to the vet and showed her my ankle, which is getting much better thankyeverymuch, and she suggested I should be put down, just to be on the safe side, what with the rising cost of gas and feed nowadays.

    Apparently I will not make it until the end of the day. Oh, what a world, what a world!
  • edited September 2008
    I made a bullfighting game and submitted it to CSSCGC game to express my point of view on those barbaric practices. It's a shame for me to be Spanish and that Spain is recognized worldwide for this atrocity. That's torture made into a show. This may sound lame, but I kinda feel good when I learn about some bullfighter being injuried.

    http://www.unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk/csscgc/csscgc.cgi?search=toro
  • edited September 2008
    ZnorXman wrote: »
    I took myself to the vet and showed her my ankle, which is getting much better thankyeverymuch, and she suggested I should be put down, just to be on the safe side, what with the rising cost of gas and feed nowadays.

    Apparently I will not make it until the end of the day. Oh, what a world, what a world!

    People were suggesting that you be put down before you hurt your ankle though, and you're still with us.... :lol: :wink:
  • edited September 2008
    Same here. I'm very pleased when i hear those stories. Yep i know the poor bull minutes later will be killed but i'm glad he managed to get one of them.

    Nice to hear your view Nathan and yeah it is a shame to so many people that Spain is still recognised for that. Theres less and less bullfighting thankfully but the stupid tourists dont help by going to them.
  • edited September 2008
    I don't see any difference between horse/dog/bull sports (even bull riding).

    I never watch any of them on the telly, but if I do see part of it on the telly it's usually on "When Sports Go Bad" or something like that when the matador/riders get hurt.

    Makes me chuckle :-D
    na_th_an wrote: »
    This may sound lame, but I kinda feel good when I learn about some bullfighter being injuried.

    You're not alone there.

    Oh, just remembered I think there's a Pedro Almodovar film that's about the love life of a matador. I remember liking the film (I like Almodovar's stuff) and I can't remember there being too much actual bull fighting in it. Although she does get seriously injured.
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  • edited September 2008
    merman wrote: »
    There was Raging Beast, published on the C64 but missing in action for the Spectrum. World Games features bull riding...

    Bull riding isn't too bad, because at least at the end the bull gets taken away (and probably given a field full of cows to shag to get his aggression out), in one piece not with 15 swords stuck in it and some grotty little pikeys spear hanging out of it's skull.
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  • edited September 2008
    ZnorXman wrote: »
    *bleugh* ... I can just imagine delivering the coup de gr?ce via the Wiimote and nunchuk ... :-(

    Dunno it could be pretty good for Seal Clubbing simulator :p
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  • edited September 2008
    raindog wrote: »
    Review for Ole, toro from Crash magazine
    oletoroag6.jpg

    Actually Crash gave it 47%, that review is a copy of the C&VG review sent in to the Crash letters page
  • edited September 2008
    What about the Grand National game huh! Yeah, poor horses!

    More horses die in that each year than any other event... at least the bull has a chance of getting its revenge.


    Personally, I'd like to see a game where you get to be the bull and chase people through the streets mowing them down.... now that would be fun....
  • edited September 2008
    Dunno it could be pretty good for Seal Clubbing simulator :p

    I'm sure there was a CGC of that as well! Horace goes SealClubbing?
  • edited September 2008
    psj3809 wrote: »
    See loads of abandoned greyhounds at the sanctuary i'm a volunteer at, at least they survive, many of them are killed or just thrown out once they cant win anymore races.

    Yup, I live by Monmore Green in Wolverhampton and on race days the park is stuffed with dodgy types walking abused dogs and when they stop being money makers the lucky ones end up with the few people willing to take them on and attempt to socalise them.

    Those dogs being walked in their jackets never, ever look happy whatever people who support dog racing will tell you.

    One of my Mrs' friends used to fox hunt you should have seen her face when I told her I used to be a sab :) She's a nice girl but she's totally misguided.
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