Hurray for the French (Scientology related)
Scientology (which is NOT a religion, as it doesn't refer to a god, it's just a cult) is on trial in France, unlike in England where we let anyone in to do what they like (especially if they're rich). Granted it's only a trial about fraud within a scientology office, not actually a trial about Scientology itself, but it's a start.
Scientology is evil, which no one can honestly deny. And in a sane, incorrupt world it wouldn't be allowed to exist. Hopefully France at least will have the deceny to outlaw it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8066743.stm
Scientology is evil, which no one can honestly deny. And in a sane, incorrupt world it wouldn't be allowed to exist. Hopefully France at least will have the deceny to outlaw it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8066743.stm
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(good move for the French though! pseudo-psychiatry is dangerous)
How?
(just curious as I don't really know that much about it)
That's just about the only thing I know about Psyentology ... err ... that it's about pseudo-psychiatry and vitamins (throw in something about aliens for good measure).
Spoken like a true Christian
There are lots of good resources out there about Scientology, try this for starters:
http://xenu.net/
edit: if you want to see what Scientology does to your mind, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0 (Tom Cruise claims only Scientologists can help people in an accident! etc...) {KSW= Keep Scientology Workng, SP=Suppresive Person - one who opposes Scientology} - check out his comments on ethics too!
BBC News Website: "Cult or religion: What's the difference?"
So cults differ from religions when it comes to how they operate, not to their beliefs. And even then the line separating them is rather blurry, especially considering the recent news stories about the Roman Catholics.
I know what I'm talking about because I got grade G in GSCE Religious Education, so ner. ;)
Anyone should be free to believe what they want without fear of intimidation or discrimination - we really don't want to get to the point where we're told what we can and cannot think.
Lines only get crossed when it comes to people's actions, not beliefs, and when that happens the religion or cult involved is irrelevant when it comes to judging them.
Some of the antics within Scientology are disgusting. Some are fairly run of the mill and found in the more mainstream belief systems. Their beliefs I couldn't give a stuff about.
I guess, since this is a gaming board, I shouldn't expect serious discussion! A thread on Scientology degenerates to the point of bringing up Roman catholics! :-o
Errr ... less than 10 replies so far ... this is WoS ... we need to get the jokes out of the way first THEN we can get to the Serious Discussion.
Right now I'm a slow reader so give me some time to read through and digest what has been posted/linked to.
No, Buddhism isn't a religion, as (like Scientology) it doesn't refer to a god, Buddhism is a philosophy, and a guide to living your life.
Also Buddhism doesn't screw you up, take your money, or try to control your life, so it's definately different from most religions there too.
Not at all. Or yes, in that maybe many Christians would call Scientology a cult whilst denying that Christianity is also a cult, but not me. I agree that all religions are cults, it's a question of degree of control (and the Catholic church is a very powerful cult), but I'm not a Christian (well, not by choice, I am by birth (Catholic), but agnostic by consideration).
I'm not saying that Scientology is bad whilst Christianity is good, far from it, just that Scientology is NOT a religion, despite the claims of it's members.
The fact is that Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, the worship of Zeus and Apollo, etc, are all religions, regardless of whether or not they are right, regardless of whether or not their god(s) even exist, as a religion is an organised belief in, and worship of, a god(s). Scientology describes no god, but instead mortal (though very powerful and long-lived, but still ultimately mortal) beings. It's no more a religion than the Die Hard films are.
Don't get me started - I have a reputation for writing long, long posts when I feel strongly about something, and I could go on and on about this. Just google for Scientology and read about it (and yes, the web is full of lies and disinformation, but much of what is said is proven, or at least backed up by other proven similarities with Scientology victims, to say nothing of the testimony of disinterested parties).
Nothing recent about it, child abuse in the Catholic church (or anywhere) is hardly a new occurance.
True, but people shouldn't be allowed to pass off groundless myth as undoubted fact, when no religion (or non-religion, like Scientology or Astrology) can produce any evidence to back up their claims, especially when common sense or proven science so often contradicts their claims.
True, certainly.
Yeah. Ruin my education for having an opinion.
I left that summer.
EDIT - there is a cult in my town. Can't remember what they are called. But the place looks like a weird holiday camp. But a very expensive one. I'll get some pics next time I pass. If you don't hear from me you'll know they've got me!
Nutters!
Church @ the foundry
EDIT - they post youtube stuff too!!!!
EDIT EDIT - and we do sound like that around here!
Hey! You're right! They are great! I'm giving them my house tomorrow! Love is all around!
Let's all live together in a commune in peace and harmony, and if anyone goes near it we'll set the fucking guards dogs out!
Doesn't make it true though. It's like calling Hypersports a train simulation. :roll:
That last post was a bit harsh.
I got into trouble ages ago and they were one of me "help" options.
They'd help me alright. But I would've had to "sign up".
The connection is brain washing.
Not to toot our own horn too much, but we (XS4ALL) successfully defended against Scientology's influence up to the high court in the past 14 years.
Wikipedia link (in Dutch, I'm afraid - see 11.1).
you know, give freely because salvation was freely given to you. OK, we are supposed to present the gospel to folk too (the Salvation Army founder I think had a 'soup, soap and salvation' approach!) but it is not necessary to go 'you must sign up or we won't help you' - that's just a turn off.
I still want to know what the connection is to Scientology :-P
Edit: and well done Holland!
You seem to be under the impression that if a god (lowercase 'g') is involved then it can't be a cult.
Or you are just pissed off that I went slightly off topic! LOL! But I was just adding something that I thought might have been of interest. I found it interesting and I knew the punch line!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult
And I like the Hypersports remix idea!
No.
I don't think any 'religion' (cult) should be outlawed. If 'it' makes people happy / fulfilled then that's great.
I was brought up a Catholic, and although I lost my faith, I feel fine. I think I feel I'm a good person, even though I don't believe anymore.
I promise to be on my best behaviour and stick to the arguments :)
It's not getting heated. Is it?
No.
We are in "Chit chat"!
EDIT - actually I did call a religion "nutters"! That was a bit naughty! But I did have a run-in with them! Not that that makes it right!
I'll redress the balance - everyone is a nutter!
You're quite right! It's "redress the balance" and not "address the balance"!
I've edited my post.
A saving of 1 byte! Except this post has taken up loads more now!
Oh no! Stop typing! I'm just making it worse! Oh, now look what I've done!
can we get back to discussing Scientology now?
Yes. They're all nutters!
(Sorry, I couldn't resist!)
christianity is a religion becuase it was invented by a joiner who got nailed to a cross for his troubles.
forget all the modern bollocks and the christian fanboys, and remeber a simple bloke trying to make people be a bit nicer to each other.