Lucid Dreams, Synchronicity, DMT etc

edited June 2010 in Chit chat
anyone else have an interest in this sort of stuff?

Been training myself to try and have lucid dreams these past few years and just this year have finally hit the spot and experienced 4 or 5 lucid dreams, whereby your dreaming but your conscious mind wakes up in the dream (usually by a trigger, i.e. training yourself to check your watch and if your watch is upside down it acts as a "hold on, why would my watch be on upside down?" trigger and your conscious mind realises that your in a dream)... it is the most sublime experience I have ever had to actually wake up in a dream and be able to control it, although my exploring so far hasn't lasted too long, perhaps minutes to about 15 min.

As regarding synchronicity, I don't tend to experience it so much nowadays as I'm sadly an alcoholic and this massively dulls down the mind even when sober... but in my early 20's through to late 20s I was big time into meditation, purifying the mind (i.e. kicking out and trying to remove negative thoughts and emotions, i.e. anger etc etc (actually turned myself into a bit of a pussy and had to relearn those same emotions once I was getting kicked all over my local gaff haha)) and used to sometimes experience 20-30 synchronicities a day as well as a kind of precognition (thinking random thoughts and then people saying what I was just thinking)... anyway I've got some quite trippy examples of synchronicity that happened back then and just wondering if anyone else is into this sort of stuff.

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  • edited June 2010
    If melatonin tablets are a legal sleep aid over there, then those are supposed to help with lucid dreams.

    And yes, if you experience it once it can be an exciting/thrilling/discoverous journey. I'm reminded of some of the stories of H.P.Lovecraft, where people have an experience and then spend the rest of their lives trying to recapture that experience. That's kind of my stance on it, or rather my experience ... I wish I could have lucid dreams more often, I love jumping buildings or flying over mountains ... in my dreams.
  • edited June 2010
    OH wow, I might have known you would have known what I was on about mate :D melatonin I've heard of but will wiki to see what it is, although even though I mentioned DMT I'd never actually take it as rather take even years and accomplish it naturally ;) (purely out of safety fears mind, I'd eat sh*te to have even a 10 second lucid dream ;))

    H.P.Lovecraft too I'm aware of but not actually what he wrote so there's another thing to reserch thanks :), the flying thing is an interesting stance to take as, as (god isn't the English languague daft haha) far as I know it's more or less common for kids, teens to have a lot of flying dreams (not talking out of body experiences but just flying) dreams and then we somehow lose that, one of the lucid dreams I had a few months back which I woulda forgot was actually a flying dream whereby I flew/floated/drifted from my village to the local town and towards the local College, I didn't click on until talking to an older woman in her 40's and her suggesting that perhaps I should/would do a new course, but the thing is that the viewpoints and realism during these dreams is so far more real than you would think possible if you were just imagining/dreaming this stuff, perspective of buildings, detail etc etc that it is really like you are having some kind of experience.

    When I was younger, until about years ago I used to have the most intricate dreams whereby I was never myself in the dream and didn't know who I was, mostly in what I assume was American cityscapes standing with a view of the traffic and people numbering in the thousands, I was always impressed that that the human mind could conjure such vast detail and sometimes have wondered if it was remote viewong and if I was in fact seeing other places? especially as out of body experiences runs quite deep in my family.

    Thanks for answering dude :)
  • edited June 2010
    I have lucid dreams. Usually the best time is around midday to 3pm. Dark room, comfy bed and a tired brain.

    Never tried DMT, but if I could ever get to South America, i'd give Ayahuasca a go. Apparently everyone who takes it has the same experiences, and a humbling realisation of your existance and your place in it.

    Stories tell of people having conversations or being comforted by an all knowing Serpent like creature. And the really weird thing is this serpent being is described the same by people from all over the world regardless of previous held beliefs.

    Even more profound is when a group of people who've taken ayahuasca all share the same 'vision'. Like one man will recall how he was fixed in a stare with a Jaguar cat, a 'knowing' stare of understanding and sympathy. And another man will recall that man 'communicating' with a Jaguar.

    It must be very freaky to be told what you saw or experienced in an altered state after the fact, by an observer also on ayahuasca. Makes you think is it a real part of reality that is normally out of range to our five senses.

    There's some interviews with Graham Hancock on ayahuasca and shamanism that are quite interesting.

    Here's one.
    http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2010/04apr/RIR-100411.php
    Description of interview,
    Join us for a fascinating two-hour program with author Graham Hancock. With books such as "Fingerprints of the Gods", "The Sign and the Seal", "Keeper of Genesis", "Talisman", "Underworld" and "Supernatural" he's become a legend in the field of alternative research. We begin to talk about his latest book Entangled, a novel, and ask why he's chosen to go into the field of fiction, considering his past and excellent non-fiction works. We talk about the advantages of writing fiction. We discuss how Graham's earlier books and research have influenced the writing of Entangled. Topics discussed: Ayahuasca, shamanism, Entangled, why a novel? Academic critics, Underworld, The advantage of writing fiction, the reality behind the story in Entangled, Therianthrope, Anthropos, "Sulpa" & "Illimani", DMT, Supernatural, apocalyptic themes, Rick Strassman, "The Spirit Molecule", quantum physics, the mystery of consciousness, ECG, Plato, soul, near death experience, consciousness, ancestors, cave art, psychedelic plants & substances, the computer, Steve Jobs and LSD, Watson and Crick, knowledge vs. ignorance, violence, fear of death, western civilization, Tibetan book of the dead, Hermes and more.
  • edited June 2010
    All of the dreams where I'm in them are lucid - always have been. For me, it's more of an effort to let the thing run on rails so that I don't have to do anything. It's always fun introducing new elements into a dream though, then switching it on auto-pilot and seeing what happens! :D

    A lot of the time though, I'm not in my dreams - they're mainly about other people.

    Dreams are fantasic.
  • edited June 2010
    FrankT wrote: »
    comforted by a Serpent like creature

    I know what you mean! I comforted my wife with my "serpent creature" just this morning when i had woken, all in half sleep, half consciousness!
  • edited June 2010
    i bet you all dream about me anyway. :-P
  • edited June 2010
    Dreams are great, and I have had some excellent lucid ones over the years...unfortunately, the most lucid tend to be just before I get Sleep Paralysis or Night Terrors, meaning for some extremely scary stuff!!

    Most people look at me like I'm a total loon when I talk about sleep paralysis but it's actually really common, and probably accounts for about 95% of all ghost and alien abduction experiences....

    I was reading somewhere though, that if you manage to stop your scary dreams when this is happening and try and bring yourself out of it, you can then control your dreams and have some awesome fun with them...I'm slightly sceptical though, because the people who claim to have done this all seem a bit "new age" and far too hippyish for me! :D I have been able to control some dreams before though, but usually only for a short time before waking up. Oh, and I've never held the belief of a lot of people that you only dream in black & white..I usually see colour in my dreams...and I've definitely had some where I can taste stuff, or hear music, feel pain, etc.

    I did have one set of particularly lucid dreams once, all of which involved the same girl who was always wearing red. The first one was set in a wood similar to the one just down the road from my parents, but with a load of old fashioned cottages surrounding it. It had a sort of medieval feel to it (especially with the clothes)...I was in the forest with a girl on our way somewhere when we sat down to have a rest on a log. Suddenly I noticed a large group of girls in red cloaks come wandering along the path, and the girl I was with told me that they were best avoided, as they were all in some weird cult...apparently evil, and not to be trusted..

    ..I caught the eye of one girl in red and she smiled at me and carried on along the path. Later in the dream, I went back to the forest and sat and waited for the group to come back, and when it did chatted to the girl who told me she was fed up with being misunderstood by all the stupid people who thought it was some weird cult. I said I didn't think she was weird and then immediately woke up!

    I've had at least another 5 dreams featuring the same girl over the last 10 years, who if I ever saw in real life I would know instantly, and all of which had astounding detail and made more sense than most of my dreams, with things seeming to be in proper order and place and with me not suddenly opening a door into the jungle or something (if that makes sense) ...They've been in all sorts of different settings, but mostly modern day...And she's always wearing a red coat or jacket!?! Usually she's in some sort of crowd or group and I have to seperate her from them to get to talk to her, but she seems to know who I am in every dream too...

    What it all means, if anything, I've no idea!! :)
  • edited June 2010
    deadpan666 wrote: »

    What it all means, if anything, I've no idea!! :)

    lady in red = repressed homosexual
  • edited June 2010
    mile wrote: »
    lady in red = repressed homosexual

    Hmm....I did find your avatar strangely attractive this morning.....

    ;)
  • edited June 2010
    To: DeadPan666: Sleep paralysis and lucid dreaming seem to go hand in hand for many people who experience lucid dreams... You know, I take it, that sleep paralysis, while a little scary at times, is harmless... The best thing you can do, when in sleep paralysis, is to literally do nothing, but relax... recognise it for what it is, and relax... Sometimes, when relaxing within the sleep paralysis, one can return back to the lucid state again...
  • edited June 2010
    Regarding myself as a logical, science-y, type person, I never beleived in such things as synchronicity and precognition and other such hippy "mumbo jumbo". Thought all that stuff was for bored middle-aged women with too much time on their hands (despite having a few freaky experiences, including a couple of lucid dreams in my late teens).

    Then I happened take up tai chi chuan and chi kung a few years ago and now I have some insight (and even the occasional experience, on a good day) of what you mean with regard to experiencing synchronicities and those split second pregconitive moments. In tai chi, the latter is trained over a period of many years and used to anticipate how your opponent is going to move before he does - with the express purpose of then countering him. It might be worth looking for classes in your area if you are interested in that sort of stuff - apart from anything else, it's very good excercise and may also help with your drinking-too-much business (if you can redirect any obsession with that into training you will progress quicker which gives you some ongoing incentive to cut out the beer).

    It's a difficult subject to talk about without sounding a bit mental though, isn't it? :/
  • edited June 2010
    ...well... if your sounding a bit mental, we've probably got a pill for that...

    ..Im writing this while on nightshift on psychiatry...

    ..my shift will end in about 3 hours, and then I can get back to mucking around with importing PT3 files into Beepola...

    ...Oh, I also find that having a different sleeping position when laying down for the express purpose of lucid dreaming, also helps... (for me, its on my back)... its not readily understood, but your intentions before such things seems to make a difference, especially when those intentions are conditioned or associated to a set of actions.... A routine, just for lucid dreaming, then, is helpful... What that routine is though, is probably arbitary and personal to each individual... natural stimulents also help... I hear coffee, and chocolate probably help (unless you already have a high tolerance to both from regular use).... And yes, it does seem to occur in cycles or bursts of sessions...
  • edited June 2010
    kgmcneil wrote: »
    ...well... if your sounding a bit mental, we've probably got a pill for that...

    ..Im writing this while on nightshift on psychiatry...
    Hrm... I've seen one flew over the cuckoo's nest. I know what goes on in those places. You'll never take me alive. :)
    ...Oh, I also find that having a different sleeping position when laying down for the express purpose of lucid dreaming, also helps... (for me, its on my back)...
    Yeah... I always dream better when I sleep on my back. Unfortunately, I also snore better which means I sometimes get woken up mid-dream by a swift elbow to the ribs :evil:
  • edited June 2010
    1) Hey, maybe I could play that nursing role, where they put on that really cheesy piece of music and force all my patients to listen to it... I could render it in Beepola and play it through the Public PA system (and use the Phaser1 engine for good measure)... As well as annoying the hell out of all my patients, it would probably render them confused too... They'd no doubt wonder why I was so obsessed over Beeper tunes now instead of AY... (no doubt... Hmmmm... no doubt... ok, maybe not)...

    2) ..different positions... Hmmm... lets not go there...

    3) Jab to the ribs?... You should try having kids... My 2 &1/2 year old takes to tickling my toes...while my 1 year old likes to bite... Ill take the jab to the ribs any day over that!
  • edited June 2010
    mile wrote: »
    lady in red = repressed homosexual

    Well, it seems like some things never change, anyway !!!!!!!!!!
  • edited June 2010
    mile wrote: »
    i bet you all dream about me anyway. :-P

    And yet another pearl of wisdom from the wise man of the woods !!!!!!!!!!!
  • edited June 2010
    CKay wrote: »
    far as I know it's more or less common for kids, teens to have a lot of flying dreams (not talking out of body experiences but just flying) dreams and then we somehow lose that,

    My flying dreams were always really humiliating. I'd figure out how to fly (or some other cool power, like teleport) and then I'd excitedly go to try to show my friends and either nothing would happen (teleportation dream) or I'd fall over on the floor in a heap (flying dream).
  • edited June 2010
    This book is an interesting read about induced lucid dreams

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Windows-Mind-Experience-G-M-Glaskin/dp/0907061818

    about the Christos experience;

    http://www.alastairmcintosh.com/articles/1979_psychoenergetic.htm
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