Playstation Move

edited September 2010 in Chit chat
Any other PS3 owners getting/got one?

Mine arrived a day early so I had a good go with it last night with Resi 5 Gold. Seems really accurate, far more so than the Wiimote (and I'm not bashing the Wii, as I think it's a great machine) and I love the colours the ping-pong ball changes into!!

RE5 is pretty much the control system of Wii RE4 and it REALLY benefits the gameplay, I may actually play it to completion as I found it uncontrollable with a pad - and I'll readily admit I was spoilt rotten by the RE4 Wii control system!

Here's hoping it's not simply conversions of Wii shovelware that makes their way across :-(

Incidentally, placing the Eye above the TV screen rather than below it improved the accuracy a hell of a lot.
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  • edited September 2010
    what do you use to point?
  • edited September 2010
    The Move device itself.

    http://us.playstation.com/ps3/playstation-move/

    You can also get a controller like the Nunchuk on the Wii. You don't have to as the DualShock3 will also work it's just a lot more uncomfortable.
  • edited September 2010
    Vampyre wrote: »
    The Move device itself.

    http://us.playstation.com/ps3/playstation-move/

    You can also get a controller like the Nunchuk on the Wii. You don't have to as the DualShock3 will also work it's just a lot more uncomfortable.

    ha ha, wtf is that blue ball on the end?

    sorry, i thought it was something like the natal thing, it does just look like the wii thing.
  • edited September 2010
    so no one feels like a knob jockey using these devices?
  • edited September 2010
    mile wrote: »
    ha ha, wtf is that blue ball on the end?

    sorry, i thought it was something like the natal thing, it does just look like the wii thing.

    Nah, it's Sony's rip-off. The idea behind the ping pong ball is that the (Playstation) Eye can judge when the wand is moving closer/away (as the ball gets bigger/smaller with the distance) which can't be done with the Wiimote.
    freddyhard wrote: »
    so no one feels like a knob jockey using these devices?

    Nope. Says more about yourself than those who enjoy using them ;-)
  • edited September 2010
    Vampyre wrote: »
    Nope. Says more about yourself than those who enjoy using them ;-)
    so i'm a closet knob jockey then?
  • Whilst undoubtably more accurate then the Wii, i just don't see who it's aimed at. Surely anyone interested in motion control would already have a Wii? It seems the Wiis success was largely due to the "casual" gamers and I can't see them shelling out for a PS3 and the move when they've already got something similar for a fraction of the price. Or maybe i'm missing something?
  • edited September 2010
    Vampyre wrote: »
    Nah, it's Sony's rip-off. The idea behind the ping pong ball is that the (Playstation) Eye can judge when the wand is moving closer/away (as the ball gets bigger/smaller with the distance) which can't be done with the Wiimote.

    it have been better it it had been purple. :-P
  • edited September 2010
    there's a thread over on RG slagging it off something rotten.
  • edited September 2010
    But surely it can't tell if you're pointing it up or down like the Wii does when using an on-screen cursor? Because it's tracking a ball, it would have trouble doing anything other than tracking the position of the the ball on the end.
    Joefish
    - IONIAN-GAMES.com -
  • edited September 2010
    Had a Wii for a few months, missus wasnt happy when i never then used it and eventually sold it !

    Nice gimmicky type of console, its good its become mainstream and all ages seem to like consoles/games whereas before it was still considered a 'bit' nerdy.

    But i do remember all the hardcore gaming fans slating the Wii when that first came out and then slowly jumping on the bandwagon. Quite a few discussions on RG about that. This new Playstation Move seems late to the market and the PS3 wasnt a huge hit was it ?

    (Talking of new gaming consoles/gadgets - I wonder how the Pandora is doing ? Seems to be a bit quiet?)
  • edited September 2010
    joefish wrote: »
    But surely it can't tell if you're pointing it up or down like the Wii does when using an on-screen cursor? Because it's tracking a ball, it would have trouble doing anything other than tracking the position of the the ball on the end.

    It's not just the ball, that I believe is just for distance, etc. There are all sorts of motors and mercury switches inside to determine what angle you are holding the controller.
    mile wrote: »
    it have been better it it had been purple. :-P

    It is for RE5! It changes colour dependent on what the dev has set. If you press the Select button on it it cycles through quite a few colours quickly.
  • edited September 2010
    psj3809 wrote: »
    This new Playstation Move seems late to the market and the PS3 wasnt a huge hit was it ?

    Not as huge as Wii or PS1/2, no. It's about 3 or 4 million behind the 360 IIRC at around 35m sales. This generation has been pretty healthy for all of the manufacturers.
  • edited September 2010
    freddyhard wrote: »
    so i'm a closet knob jockey then?

    I dunno what you get up to in the privacy of your own home ;-)

    Nah, what I meant is that you obviously feel that anyone who does use one of these devices should consider themself a knob jockey. So I was reflecting that if you actually used one, you would feel that you are!

    Sh!t me, that's far too deep for a thread about a waggly controller :-)
  • edited September 2010
    Vampyre wrote: »
    Not as huge as Wii or PS1/2, no. It's about 3 or 4 million behind the 360 IIRC at around 35m sales. This generation has been pretty healthy for all of the manufacturers.

    Yeah, Sony aren't doing that badly. The Move ought to allow ports of successful Wii games to the PS3 and expand it's appeal beyond the HD eye candy market.

    It's a bit of a shame that they appear to have cocked up the Tiger Woods game though; that's been one of the flagship third party successes on the Wii. Nintendo will still be sitting pretty because most of their biggest selling games are first party ones too.
  • edited September 2010
    Matt_B wrote: »
    It's a bit of a shame that they appear to have cocked up the Tiger Woods game though; that's been one of the flagship third party successes on the Wii. Nintendo will still be sitting pretty because most of their biggest selling games are first party ones too.

    There's a John Daley one coming out that's supposed to have spot-on one-to-one tracking, and is a first-person golf game, however the hell that's going to work! No mention on how the drinking 25 pints game at the 19th hole works though ;-)
  • Matt_B wrote: »
    Yeah, Sony aren't doing that badly. The Move ought to allow ports of successful Wii games to the PS3 and expand it's appeal beyond the HD eye candy market.

    The trouble is, most (all?)of the third party Wii games are shit. The only good one's being first party Nintendo games.
  • edited September 2010
    yup carnival games won't be any better in HD.
  • edited September 2010
    Vampyre wrote: »
    There's a John Daley one coming out that's supposed to have spot-on one-to-one tracking, and is a first-person golf game, however the hell that's going to work! No mention on how the drinking 25 pints game at the 19th hole works though ;-)

    There's a "true aim" mode in the latest Tiger Woods game that probably works in a similar way. You don't get to zoom to where the ball's gonna go (to aim your shot) like you usually do, or see a fly-by of the hole... you just aim towards the fairway and take the shot, much like on a real golf course.
  • edited September 2010
    i think the prize for the worst PS3 perhaperal has to go to this.

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003E8LA7M/

    imagine getting that for christmas, :-D
  • edited September 2010
    The trouble is, most (all?)of the third party Wii games are shit. The only good one's being first party Nintendo games.

    Most, certainly not all.
  • edited September 2010
    I love the Wii. I am not a fan of FPS games so I use it more than my Xbox 360. Many of the best games are by Nintendo but I also really like Resident Evil 4, Geometry Wars Galaxy (hugely expanded and more fun than 360 arcade version), Rogue Trooper, Okami, Tomb Raider Anniversary, Samba De Amigo, Sega Bass Fishing, Nights. Nearly all of these have been previously released on other consoles but play better on the Wii due to the superior controls. Add in the Homebrew Channel, Gamecube backwards compatibility, and Virtual Machine and the Wii is the ultimate retro gaming console.

    Back on topic, I think the PS3 Move looks terrific and it is making me seriously consider getting a PS3. The controller is a wii rip off but sounds slightly better and the PS3 should also have some interesting non-FPS games that will use it with beautiful eye candy.
  • edited September 2010
    The trouble is, most (all?)of the third party Wii games are shit. The only good one's being first party Nintendo games.

    That might have been true in 2007, but it's hardly the case now.

    Regardless, whether they're good or bad, a lot of third party Wii games have sold in huge numbers, but been impossible to port to the PS3 because it lacked a suitable control system until now.

    I'd agree that there's probably a big market in sprucing up older games with motion controls too. I don't think too many of the Wii's best sellers are in that category, but the software industry rarely misses a trick when it comes to money for old rope.
  • Matt_B wrote: »
    That might have been true in 2007, but it's hardly the case now.

    Regardless, whether they're good or bad, a lot of third party Wii games have sold in huge numbers, but been impossible to port to the PS3 because it lacked a suitable control system until now.

    Why would you want dross like carnival games ported to the PS3? The fact that these "games" were impossible to do on PS3 was surely a good thing?
  • edited September 2010
    Vampyre wrote: »
    Nah, it's Sony's rip-off. The idea behind the ping pong ball is that the (Playstation) Eye can judge when the wand is moving closer/away (as the ball gets bigger/smaller with the distance) which can't be done with the Wiimote.


    The Wii is able to detect distance and if you move the Wii-mote closer to the screen and pull it away etc. It's just that not very many games make use of that feature. most of the Wii's party games (from what I understand anyway as I don't really have any) just have you waving the thing around as fast sa you can. I did notice a few reviews of some of the move games complaining about this too.

    mile wrote: »
    it have been better it it had been purple. :-P

    I saw a member of staff in GAME playing it yesterday and it had a purple ball on the end. It matched his uniform at least :lol:
    The trouble is, most (all?)of the third party Wii games are shit. The only good one's being first party Nintendo games.

    Nope. I can name you several great third party Wii games...

    House of the Dead (2&3, pluss Overkill)
    Ghost Squad
    Okami
    Resi Evil 4
    Madworld
    No More Heroes
    Tatsunoko vs Capcom

    I personally won't be buying 'move' as it's obviously a complete Wii rip off and I've already got one of those that I don't really play very often due to it lookig crap on my HD telly and the fact that I've already completed the good games!

    I may be tempted (and only may be) if Sega convert Madworld onto it with a few more levels etc
  • edited September 2010
    I saw a member of staff in GAME playing it yesterday and it had a purple ball on the end. It matched his uniform at least :lol:

    Most of the staff in Game are knobs so that would be perfect :lol:
    Nope. I can name you several great third party Wii games...

    House of the Dead (2&3, pluss Overkill)
    Ghost Squad
    Okami
    Resi Evil 4
    Madworld
    No More Heroes
    Tatsunoko vs Capcom

    Let me add.....

    Resident Evil ReMake.
    Resident Evil 0.
    Calling.
    Silent Hill Shattered Memories.
    Dead Rising: Chop til' you Drop (alright I know I'll get some flak for this one, but after hating it at first, I've decided that I really like it, and since I've not played the 360 original I don't know any better :p).

    .......to that list :)

    I would've said Rygar was alright too, if it wasn't inferior in almost every way to the PS2 original, which is a bit of an embaressment really :roll:

    Oh hang on I was supposed to be sticking up for my dust magnet....erm....I mean Wii :D

    ....The Wii Netflix Disc rules (No really it does I've used the Wii way more with this than any games). :lol:
    Every night is curry night!
  • edited September 2010
    The Wii is able to detect distance and if you move the Wii-mote closer to the screen and pull it away etc. It's just that not very many games make use of that feature. most of the Wii's party games (from what I understand anyway as I don't really have any) just have you waving the thing around as fast sa you can. I did notice a few reviews of some of the move games complaining about this too

    I can understand why you think the Wii does this but from what I've read in the past that is entirely due to the accelerometers in the Wiimote and Nunchuk (hence why Wii Sports boxing works with a controller that has no effect on the sensor bar - the Nunchuck). The sensor bar cannot judge distance at all (as the "camera" is in the Wiimote, the exact opposite to the way Move works). The Eye senses fluctuations in the size of the "ping pong ball" of the Move device and can therefore sense actual depth.

    This is entirely from what I've read, I have no actual knowledge of such things
  • edited September 2010
    Vampyre wrote: »
    This is entirely from what I've read, I have no actual knowledge of such things
    Thank God for that - I thought for a moment you were talking from a position of knowing what you were on about.

    The 'sensor' bar isn't a sensor at all - it's two IR light sources a fixed distance apart. There is a camera in the tip of the Wii-mote that detects them, and from their position and separation it can calculate rotation, where it's pointing, and its distance from the screen.

    The difference with the Sony ball is that the camera will work out where the ball is in space. The Wii will work out what direction the remote is pointing.
    Joefish
    - IONIAN-GAMES.com -
  • edited September 2010
    Why would you want dross like carnival games ported to the PS3? The fact that these "games" were impossible to do on PS3 was surely a good thing?

    Quite simply because there's a market for it. I'd think that Sony want the PS3 to cater to all gamers, not just the nutter hardcore ones, and they've been missing a trick by handing a huge sector to Nintendo on a plate.

    Anyway, I'd think that Carnival Games is long past its sell by date these days so you're unlikely to see it ported to the PS3. Just Dance and EA Sports Active, on the other hand...
  • edited September 2010
    Matt_B wrote: »
    ... not just the nutter hardcore ones ...

    Who really, really get on my tits. Constantly bemoaning that the markets flooded with shovelware (which in fairness it is to an extent), you would think to hear them that previous hardware generations had nothing but triple-A titles. A wise man once said 90% of everything is crap and he was damn right.
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