+3 disks (writing errors)

edited December 2012 in Hardware
is there any way to check a disk for bad sectors? i seem to get I/O errors of one type or another when writing to disks. the thing is the disks format okay and i can write to them, but i will get an error at some stage and as a result some disks are unreliable. i was told a new belt was fitted to the disk drive and some disks i have no trouble with.
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  • edited December 2010
    I should think the disks themselves could be a bit dodgy by now. I had one in the early 90s that had lost some data.
  • edited December 2010
    i wouldn't doubt that they could be off a little, but you don't know of any process that could find the bad sectors and ignore them? i remember that was a thing to do back in the late 90's was to do a surface scan (windows95) and it would then ignore sectors that were faulty.
  • edited December 2010
    Sorry, I can't remember much of what I did with +3 disks. I surprised myself the other day when I typed CAT and it worked. Not sure where I pulled that one from.
  • edited December 2010
    if i answer that no one else will help on this thread...
  • edited December 2010
    freddyhard wrote: »
    if i answer that no one else will help on this thread...

    Well I suppose it was an obvious thing to try, which is why I tried it, of course. But I wasn't necessarily expecting it to work. I thought it may have needed a symbol with it or a drive letter or something as well.
  • edited December 2010
    what i don't understand is that you have a +3 and you don't use it. what's wrong with you. i can understand the slow loading times of tape to piss people off, but i was trying to use the multiface3 to snapshot the game to a disk once loaded. that's where i'm getting into some bother. where was i, oh yeah shame on you!
  • edited December 2010
    freddyhard wrote: »
    what i don't understand is that you have a +3 and you don't use it. what's wrong with you. i can understand the slow loading times of tape to piss people off, but i was trying to use the multiface3 to snapshot the game to a disk once loaded. that's where i'm getting into some bother. where was i, oh yeah shame on you!

    Well the +3 that I have now is quite a recent purchase. Back in the spectrum days a +3 is what I had, but that one and all the stuff went a long time ago.
    My new +3 was recently bought from ebay, it was the cheapest one I could find. I thought to myself, doesn't matter if the floppy drive doesn't work, I've got no disks anyway, but I do have a DivIDE+, so who needs a floppy drive? Well it turns out at the moment that I do, as the DivIDE+ does not work on it. It now seems likely that the reason it doesn't work is because a previous owner has "modified" it in some way. There are components soldered onto the bottom of the board, I have no idea what they're for, but others here say they shouldn't be there. I think the floppy drive probably needs a new rubber band, but disks are pretty rare anyway. I'm going to concentrate on getting teh DivIDE+ to work. At some point in the future I will get the floppy drive fixed too though.
  • edited December 2010
    this ebayer might have some things of interest. i got and RGB scart cable from him. he has replacement belts for the +3.
    i'll have to read a bit more into the DivIDE+. seems like the way to go, but i'm starting to get tight with money. i remember buying the 48K rubber keys back in '83 and then upgraded to the +2. i never sold the +2, but it got thrown out just recently so i bought a +3 on ebay.
  • edited December 2010
    freddyhard wrote: »
    this ebayer might have some things of interest. i got and RGB scart cable from him. he has replacement belts for the +3.
    i'll have to read a bit more into the DivIDE+. seems like the way to go, but i'm starting to get tight with money. i remember buying the 48K rubber keys back in '83 and then upgraded to the +2. i never sold the +2, but it got thrown out just recently so i bought a +3 on ebay.

    Thanks for that. The DivIDE+ certainly isn't cheap, and unless you are pretty good with computers I wouldn't say it is the most inuitive thing to use, but it's not hard either, just takes a bit of getting used to. All I will say is that when they work they are great. I think their greatest failing, if you like, is the fact that they have to be coupled to a 20+ year old computer that may have its own "issues", so it doesn't always amke a happy marriage.
  • edited December 2010
    hm, maybe that builtin hardware check in +3 ROM could help you. i think it has part for checking floppy drive. perhaps its head alignment problem (common), in case +3 doesn't do 'low level' format. so I'd try some other util to format it (iirc, du-54).

    but if some diskettes work perfectly, its reasonable to assume the problem is in those bad ones. they do wear out. dust, for eg, can be a problem as it gets inside them and cleaning mechanism can't handle all of it. you could clean fdd head with ipa.
  • edited December 2010
    I'd just replace the drive belt again. It's showing all the classic symptoms of a slipping belt and it may just have been replaced with a bad one (or a rubber band, as I've seen before)
  • edited December 2010
    but maybe that check in ROM can measure drive speed (iirc) and that might show belt problems. its worth trying anyway.
    just use some blank diskette when testing.

    btw, andy is probably right.
  • edited January 2011
    sorry for the delay - hibernation, although i didn't have the clock set until mid february. i hate it when i wake up early.
    i got some more disks, so i'll try again with some of them. if persists i'll look at changing the belt. i'll post back some time when i'm fully awake.
  • edited December 2012
    where does the time go?
    i just replaced the belt and things seem to be working better, although some disks are getting CRC errors. what was on it was a rubber band - which to me is similar to someone using a pair of tights for a fan belt.
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