Gay Shot

edited January 2011 in Games
Well, today I was having a quick browse of 2010 software to see what this year has brought us so far, and I noticed this game 'Gay Shot'

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0025163

Now I don't speak much Russian but this poorly programmed doodle appears to be what it sugggests in the title, shoot gay men. If you don't you'll end up buggered.

Now I'll confess, I hate this kind of thing. I find the content pathetic. But there is an argument that says an archive should include everything warts and all. An Archive is a record of the awful as well as the best. But then there might also be a minimum quality standard and Gay Shot is also a very poor programme even if you put the subject objections to one side.

In short, does anyone think Gay Shot dserves its place in the archive or does it cheapen the whole of WoS by its inclusion?
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  • edited December 2010
    Not a fan at all of this 'demo'. Reported it to youtube when it was there, unsure if it was pulled or not.

    Ridiculous to create something like this. But yeah i can see why its in the archive, good or bad i'm sure theres other bad taste demos there also
  • edited December 2010
    There are far worse "efforts" in the archive, all of which were classified Adult for this reason.

    We catalogue anything and everything, be it poor or great.
    How else could my own feeble attempts ever get included? :lol:

    EDIT: the adult section is specifically excluded from the robots.
  • edited December 2010
    mheide wrote: »
    There are far worse "efforts" in the archive....

    Yep i'll never play Jack and the Beanstalk again
  • LCDLCD
    edited December 2010
    The "game" "Gay shot" is a stupid try of a little kid (I think, he is 11 or 12) to produce some kind of game. I think, it is okay to carry it in the archive. Why not? Anyone has the right to show his opinion, evenif it is such stupid and childish like this "game". Maybe someone will write "Shoot the gay shoter" game... ;)
  • edited December 2010
    Just a shame, he obviously has talent creating those animations etc on the Speccy, shame the subject is ridiculous
  • edited December 2010
    Maybe like most Homophobes the programmer is really a frustrated
    Homosexual that he just cannot come to terms with haha! GAYSHOT!!!
    whatever next....
  • edited December 2010
    LCD wrote: »
    Anyone has the right to show his opinion,

    No, see, the WoS archive is a library. By alluding to rights, you are getting muddled. There needs to be a quality threshold or every
    10 PRINT
    style thing should go into the archive.
    And that would only muddy the Spectrum history for future researchers who would have to wade through hundreds on GO TO 10 style gags before finding anything of interest.
    PSJ's point is, to me, the more valid defence as he sees some talent in the animation that is worthy of archiving.
  • edited December 2010
    Aha, we've had this discussion before, about the Jew-killing Nazi camp simulator.

    http://www.worldofspectrum.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28218&highlight=nazi

    Yeah, put it in the archive in the adult section with all the other sicko curiosities. They'll be tame and funny to the masses one day! In fact, we're currently not far off all the high-street games looking like, "Gay Shot."
  • edited December 2010
    it is natural to have an opinion... and more people - more angels of view for any topic, even contradicitive ones - that's what forms society and pushes history further and further.

    to silence other opinions/points of view is in no way democratic,
    that would be church-like: dogmatic.
    (one truth that rules 'em all :) )

    so I find it O.K. to preserve even such blatant mockery and abomination - it's up to one's wits, brains and reason to judge it and debate about it's value.

    it's like with crusades - no one ever tried to erase and forbid mentioning this 'legal' mass killing blessed by man in white robe.
    it's O.K. to keep records of it so others would know.

    (and so it's ok to f**k little boys, when you're a priest... :P )

    /gets me coat
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  • osaosa
    edited December 2010
    Please without a policy. This opinion of one person and he has expressed the opinion in this game. He didn't pass to the actions, described in game? No. On it also we will finish. Game bad, but is the first experience in animation in basic128.

    v2_dizzy_surrender.gif
  • edited December 2010
    Here's something for you all to consider. I work in the web security industry and one of the things that my company, and our competitors, do is classify sites based on content. This enables system administrators to block access to websites that contain malware or content that could leave the company open to legal proceedings. It's more fine grained than just blanket classifying a whole website. However, while titles like this are included in the publicly available archive, the infoseek part of WoS would be classified as "hate speech".

    Hate speech is "Speech not protected by the First Amendment, because it is intended to foster hatred against individuals or groups based on race, religion, gender, sexual preference, place of national origin, or other improper classification." -- Websters.

    So if you're not worried about WoS Infoseek being lumped in with neo-Nazi sites and so on, and are not concerned about the reputation ranking of the WoS servers, then there's no need to act. Otherwise I'd put hate speech titles like this in a non-public archive as is done with the ones for which distribution permission has been explicitly denied. There may be some historical merit in showing that the ZX Spectrum was used to spread hate speech I suppose, but there is no good reason to make such titles publicly available.
  • edited December 2010
    osa wrote: »
    Game bad, but is the first experience in animation in basic128.

    v2_dizzy_surrender.gif


    well, as for me - the animations are superb! - which is one of the few (if not only) bright moments of this little.... experiment (?)
    even implementation of sound and border effects appeals to me.

    the game lacks body/points counter... and perhaps digestible idea.
    (changing those amphibian creatures into aliens or anything would do the job).

    taking these into account - the game would fit in the pre-PC gaming production as any other standard stuff.

    so - apart from agressive homophobic tone of this game I quite enjoyed the gameplay.
    (but only got 13 queers at most... it's tough to beat the score in first level, so I can't judge if the game is really horrible or it gets better level by level...)

    can't be bothered to feel offended by politically incorrect game topics... what a waste of time.
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  • osaosa
    edited December 2010
    This game for what doesn't call, it simply reflects opinion of one person. An example: why all protect religions? I the atheist, and too frequent performance of church and their leaders offend me, however atheists who doesn't hear. To me to spit that in many games kill Russian because it is game. It hasn't something in common with real life. To me to spit that someone the gay while it doesn't interfere with my life. This game doesn't interfere with any life. WoS Infoseek it is archive of all games made on a spectrum, make separate section for similar games that there it would be possible to come only after the prevention.

    Probably our century cultural distinctions affect, I ask applications if whom has offended by the own words.
  • edited December 2010
    No, see, the WoS archive is a library. By alluding to rights, you are getting muddled. There needs to be a quality threshold or every
    10 PRINT
    style thing should go into the archive.
    And that would only muddy the Spectrum history for future researchers who would have to wade through hundreds on GO TO 10 style gags before finding anything of interest.
    PSJ's point is, to me, the more valid defence as he sees some talent in the animation that is worthy of archiving.

    And you are muddling quality with standards.

    The British Library archives every book published regardless of the QUALITY. After all, it has novels by Katie Price as well as works by William Shakespeare, and for an archive it is important to archive EVERYTHING.

    I agree that it should be labelled as adult, but it shouldn't be excluded on the grounds that you don't like it.
  • osaosa
    edited December 2010
    well, as for me - the animations are superb! - which is one of the few (if not only) bright moments of this little.... experiment (?)
    even implementation of sound and border effects appeals to me.
    Completely with you it agree.dizzy_wink.gif
    I suggest not to discuss idea, and to discuss game process
  • edited December 2010
    merman wrote: »
    And you are muddling quality with standards.

    The British Library archives every book published regardless of the QUALITY.
    What??? Even your C64 book?
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • osaosa
    edited December 2010
    I will tell even in protection of idea of game. In Russia the majority of gays are very aggressive and in every way show the sexual predilections, than have deserved hatred of the population of the country.
  • edited December 2010
    osa wrote: »
    I will tell even in protection of idea of game. In Russia the majority of gays are very aggressive and in every way show the sexual predilections, than have deserved hatred of the population of the country.
    But this site is gay-friendly so all are welcome.
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • edited December 2010
    Say NO to political correctness!
    If we remove games about gays what next should we remove?

    Raid over Moscow or Green Beret as it's hatred against Russian nation?

    Three Weeks in Paradise as it uses offensive stereotype of Negro, with a bone in his nose?

    Games which say Indian instead of Native American or Eskimo instead of Inuit?

    Games in which you hunt animals?

    Games in which a muscled guy rescues a sexy girl as it's sexism?

    I could go on further and further...


    It was me who uploaded the Nazi camp game and at beginning I was not sure about it. But now I think it's a part of Spectrum history. And blocking some sites which store such content for historical reason? You should start with blocking Wikipedia then.
  • jpjp
    edited December 2010
    aowen wrote: »
    Here's something for you all to consider. I work in the web security industry and one of the things that my company, and our competitors, do is classify sites based on content. This enables system administrators to block access to websites that contain malware or content that could leave the company open to legal proceedings. It's more fine grained than just blanket classifying a whole website. However, while titles like this are included in the publicly available archive, the infoseek part of WoS would be classified as "hate speech".

    Hate speech is "Speech not protected by the First Amendment, because it is intended to foster hatred against individuals or groups based on race, religion, gender, sexual preference, place of national origin, or other improper classification." -- Websters.

    So if you're not worried about WoS Infoseek being lumped in with neo-Nazi sites and so on, and are not concerned about the reputation ranking of the WoS servers, then there's no need to act. Otherwise I'd put hate speech titles like this in a non-public archive as is done with the ones for which distribution permission has been explicitly denied. There may be some historical merit in showing that the ZX Spectrum was used to spread hate speech I suppose, but there is no good reason to make such titles publicly available.

    Blue Coat proxies - proprietary hardware that is blatantly expensive and under powered, and automatically take a blacklist feed from the IWF.

    25 year old software is not high on the list of content to be filtered. What's available on the internet changes from day to day, hence some poor souls are paid to surf and update the IWF blacklists.
  • osaosa
    edited December 2010
    karingal, And I am glad to all. And I have familiar gays who don't hide it, but laughed at this game. They say that such stereotypic it is necessary to destroy. They are gays-zombies!v2_dizzy_mutant.gif

    Ralf, v2_dizzy_thumbsup.gif

    It only game.v2_dizzy_gamer.gif
  • edited December 2010
    The reason for stupid US laws is that a portion of the population is very ignorant and dangerous because of it. Its a hate crime to drive a pickup truck with Man Love Rules Ok written across it in pink paint through Alabama. And the population there is so backward you'll likely get shot by them before making it across the state. As was seen in one of the funniest Top Gear's I see before. It even made it onto the 60 minutes news.



    I reckon if your not mentally disturbed, your not going to want to kill someone for discussing this topic. Society rules and customs (Laws) should stay local, to represent the population. Not be foistered onto the rest of the world where it makes no sense.
  • osaosa
    edited December 2010
    If this game has offended someone, I and the author are ready to talk to this person.
    On it policy discussion, I consider, it is possible to finish.
  • edited December 2010
    At least it's not sold commercially, like Custer's Revenge was on the Atari...
  • edited December 2010
    jp wrote: »
    Blue Coat proxies - proprietary hardware that is blatantly expensive and under powered, and automatically take a blacklist feed from the IWF.

    25 year old software is not high on the list of content to be filtered. What's available on the internet changes from day to day, hence some poor souls are paid to surf and update the IWF blacklists.

    True, WoS is never going to make the top 100,000 visited sites list for any given country. However, you have failed to address the question of whether it's a good idea for WoS to distribute hate speech or not. I'm not saying don't preserve it, I'm not saying don't have an entry in Infoseek. I am suggesting it might be prudent not to distribute it, and to mark it as hate speech in the Infoseek entry.
  • edited December 2010
    osa wrote: »
    If this game has offended someone, I and the author are ready to talk to this person.
    On it policy discussion, I consider, it is possible to finish.

    If there was a game where you only killed people of a certain colour, say anyone who was black a lot of people would think its racist and a terrible game.

    The thing is the animations in this game are great, but why oh why do you have to shoot gay people ? Why not just anyone ?
    osa wrote: »
    In Russia the majority of gays are very aggressive and in every way show the sexual predilections, than have deserved hatred of the population of the country.

    I mean one minute you have gay friends, next minute apparently you know every single gay person in Russia as the majority are all aggressive ?

    I mean this is just stupid and bigoted.

    I can see both points of preserving everything there is on the Speccy but a stupid game about shooting gay people ? Dont think its worth preserving, no one in 100 years time will think 'look at this amazing piece of work...' etc.

    Shame as the game is great but what its about is stupid in this day and age.
  • edited December 2010
    Ralf wrote: »
    If we remove games about gays what next should we remove?

    Raid over Moscow or Green Beret as it's hatred against Russian nation?
    Three Weeks in Paradise as it uses offensive stereotype of Negro, with a bone in his nose?
    Games which say Indian instead of Native American or Eskimo instead of Inuit?
    Games in which you hunt animals?
    Games in which a muscled guy rescues a sexy girl as it's sexism?
    I could go on further and further...

    And blocking some sites which store such content for historical reason? You should start with blocking Wikipedia then.

    Like button! :)

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  • edited December 2010
    psj3809 wrote: »
    I can see both points of preserving everything there is on the Speccy but a stupid game about shooting gay people ? Dont think its worth preserving, no one in 100 years time will think 'look at this amazing piece of work...' etc.

    Shame as the game is great but what its about is stupid in this day and age.
    But you're totally missing the point about an archive, the content is immaterial, an archive should preserve EVERYTHING.

    Andrew could be right, preserve but don't distribute.
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • edited December 2010
    I did write a spheel but aowen and psj3809 have already put my feelings down more eliquently than I could.

    Just think though, if its okay to include a game like this where does it end? where do you draw the line?

    Come on people, in a hundred years do you really want people thinking spectrum users played things like this?

    Times like this I'm glad i'm not a Mod coz with comments like ' deserved hatered ' I'd be hitting the ban button left right and centre.
  • edited December 2010
    Like button! :)

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    Yes, +1 here. What Ralf said.
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