vanessa redgrave and the "travellers"
watching her talk about dale farm on the news... she must live on a different planet, she obviously never has lived near any travellers. She probably think they go around on horse drawn caravans still *shrugs*
"they look after their pensioners / old"... sure but were quite happy to rip ?1000's off a pensioner who was a family friend on fictitious building work.
"they are law abiding" .. squatting on green belt land , do they pay tax etc ?
why are so many of the not wanting to be on camera for the gypsy programmes.
she should spend a week around here.. she might learn different, silly mare
"they look after their pensioners / old"... sure but were quite happy to rip ?1000's off a pensioner who was a family friend on fictitious building work.
"they are law abiding" .. squatting on green belt land , do they pay tax etc ?
why are so many of the not wanting to be on camera for the gypsy programmes.
she should spend a week around here.. she might learn different, silly mare
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Often a traveller is stuck between a rock and a hard place, and therefore the only way to make any living to speak of is to be dishonest or become a non traveller with a fixed abode. If there were more honest ways to earn I'm sure they would. I'm not for one instant saying they are blameless, but then I think neither are the house dwellers and police, especially teenagers who stir up trouble.
If the travellers keep being moved on, and with the lack of traveller sites and space within them, often a traveller has little choice than to find an unused strip of land.
We what makes us think we are entitled to than others to use the land of this world. Its like saying the moon is ours because a law and well worded sheet of paper says so. At the end of the Zillenium we are just animals inhabiting a rock and have no more right to the land then any ant, crow or fish. If the political system we live in broke down completely, that's how it would be (albeit with an element of thug rule).
Oh in that case, I'm with the pikeys....
it's a place
Scottie.. the ones near where I work are "settled" as such.. but they still a bunch of robbing gits. Half of them are barred from the place I'm at because they give being light fingered / tea leaf a new meaning
my roots are Irish, so it's not a race thing.. it's more they are crooked..
Vanessa redgrave is F'ing clueless about it.. she don't live anywhere near them . she might get an education if she did
they shouldn't be living there, they knew that when they invaded the land.
As much as they buy some green belt land and have it tarmacked within the weekend.. joke being it's probably a far better "job" than the half one they do for others.
How long have they been at that site now?
I'll remind you of that hippy answer when you have travellers living near you, your kids can't go to the local park due to travellers being there and then leaving it in a huge mess like a rubbish tip when they finally leave.
How many times have you ever heard of travellers leaving somewhere and it's nice and tidy when they go?
I grew up on a council estate behind which was a permanent Gypsy camp. I remember we kept having our milk stolen, and peoples first thought was the Gippos. Turned out to be a bloke up the road, as I caught him (I was 7) one early morning when looking out the window to watch the street lamp turn off (I was a weird kid).
It's about 50/50. In my security days I was often called upon to sit in an unmarked car and watch them when they parked on disused premises; I was mostly used in an observational capacity. Some left the site messy, but just as many took their stuff and left. In many instances it was because they were moved on in a hurry, in the early hours and often in hostile circumstances either by police who would pick the worst times of night to piss them off, or youths who would threaten to burn down their caravans. Partly they were pissed off and for good reason, its no wonder they did not tidy up.
Give them enough safe places to go, of sufficient standard and this would happen much less, then moving them on from public places where they are unwanted would be a more just thing to do.
The oddest thing I ever did see was a fourteen(ish) year old girl take a crap facing me half undressed (bottom half) in the open 10 meters from my patrol car, her knowing I was there.
where i used to live people kept moaning into the local paper about them ruining a green area. its a tesco now. lol
THEY choose to take part in "big fat gypsy wedding"... to me they are travellers.. (and yep I do know the difference... hence the thread title) someone I know represents travellers (who is Irish) and it kinda makes me laugh for one of a better word.. they are the very same people who give Irish people (including my folks) a bad name.
I am commenting solely on that silly woman portraying a none realistic versions of things... AND endorsing them lot breaking the law by her actions..
if we did the same, we'd have been booted out within a week of squatting. so some twee actress who comes across as clueless makes me laugh. She has some fairy tale version.
It's a bit like someone who is black can say something about someone who is black , they can't be accused of being racist. (hopefully that makes sense)
the local site around here, where they are "settled" has constantly got old caravans / cars dumped on the bus stop nearby.. the other "trick" is to pile a lorry up full of waste that no one will take.. tow it to a public street / dump it and the council foot the bill for their fly tipping . They also fly tip works car park as well .. and they are on CCTV doing it.
WhizzBang, I can't imagine many travellers are in Sweden.. but other euro countries would be less tolerant of places being used as a dumping ground.
the sole reason I put travellers in quotes was because they aren't doing travelling and haven't for years.
Be interesting to see what would happen if they said "Yeah, you can have that land...but you have to let these homeless peeps have a bit of it too!"....I'd be interested to see what they said....
There should be places where such groups can go though. Maybe set up travellers camps around the country, that actual travellers can flit between....But they should be made to stay for a minimum length of time if they decide to stay put in one spot, so as they don't just bugger off after a few years when the place gets too messed up even for them....And they shouldn't be allowed to claim Gypsy status unless they have proper heritage!
There are big differences between Romani gypsies and travellers....and then of course you have "New Age travellers" which again, are totally different....
Mind you, I'm only talking about my experiences of travelling types, which I have to admit are very few....and I would never say that I think they are all the same! There must be some decent types among them...but the majority's attitude and lack of respect for the actual landowners isn't doing them any favours....although some of the landowners could do with being a bit more diplomatic sometimes too!
But they're not Romany they are what where known as tinkers years ago and they claim to be of Irish decent (bit like the Asian looking New Yorkers claiming to be Irish on St Patricks day).
The ones are as much 'travelling folk' as I am they have built houses on designated green belt land without any planning permission and have been there for years.
The 'race' card is always played.
Unfortunately I have been on the receiving end of one of their 'good neighbour campaigns' which involved anything which wasn't nailed down being stolen (and even quite a few things which where nailed down come to think of it).
I have known ones who are pretty good people, but the concept of laws actually applying to them (unless it's to their advantage) is laughable.
Don't even start me about their claims that they have no money.
Rant off
My dads neighbour stupidly paid some gypsies to tarmac his drive (huge schoolboy error), cost a ton (cash of course) and started falling apart a week or two later. Utterly stupid of him to get them to do it though.
Sorry but i havent heard any good stories from people i know about gypsies who camp somewhere illegally (then theres several break ins/thefts nearby) and then go leave a huge mess.
I do agree they should have some large sites but the problem is no one wants it near their neighbourhood do they
i may have mentioned this on here before, but it would be ideal next to my 'peadophille town' idea.
:lol:
If you ever run for government you can count on my vote
unfortunatly this country has rules in place stopping people like me getting into government. ;)
yeah send them to the place we send all our school children on holiday. :p
the peado minister will not stand for that. ;)
Maybe we should just call them 'the differently moralled' community (and celebrate their wonderful and diverse culture).
how about you illegally squatted on green belt land now f*** off.
the council make me laugh, they should have just gone in there next day and got on with clearing it out.
Go on then, let's see you travel.
Idle f***ers.
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Nah! Cos' there's plenty of them c*nts live in houses :D