I don't know why anyone would buy the Blu-ray version of the films, as they are so changed (sorry, updated) from the original cinema release versions that we grew up with, and the Blu-Ray box set doesn't come with the original unaltered films. The DVD box set (the one I have, I don't know if there are different box sets) comes with the updated versions of all three films, but also the original versions, and even though I have seen the updated versions, I prefer the original versions, just like with Blade Runner.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a major Star Wars fan, so I'm not too offended personally by the changes, but I am a science fiction fan (and so therefore I do like Star Wars) plus I don't like the idea of 'updating' films. They are a product of their time and should remain as such. And even though the changes are mostly very minor*, they shouldn't exist at all, or at most the original version should be supplied with the 'new' version.
For a complete list of changes in all versions of the sixth Star Wars films, see:
I've not bothered looking to see what further changes have been made, foe the Blu-Ray version, but no doubt they'll grate on true SW fanatics.
* Han Solo DID shoot first, are you listening Lucas? It was a defining moment of his character. He is basically a good man, yes, but he's also a realist, and would shoot someone in the back or shoot them before they could reach for their gun if his own life depended on it, and his willingness to do so was necessary for him to survive life on the dangerous edges of the law. Luke Skywalker would never shoot first or shoot someone in the back, because he was the whiter than white choir boy type, but Han Solo has spent years trying to survive amongst immoral scum on all sides, and he knows that honour (unlike morality) means nothing in the real world. And by shooting Grebo first, as Han Solo did do (whatever the 'updated' versions of Star Wars say), Solo was simply doing the necessary thing to survive.
George Lucas should have made films, rather than keep tinkering with and re-releasing and re-re-releasing, re-making, sequeling and pre-queling the one he was famous for.
George Lucas should have made films, rather than keep tinkering with and re-releasing and re-re-releasing, re-making, sequeling and pre-queling the one he was famous for.
not even his best film.
he did decent video games esp on the atari 8 bits , who'd have thought he knew 6502 asm :)
I'm a huge Star Wars fan, in an ideal world the films wouldnt be tinkered with, the last editions were pretty good though with extra scenes, the whole film looked 'cleaner' than crappy old VHS, the Jabba scene in Star Wars wasnt bad.
But i dont see why people get so upset, if you want the original films then watch the original films (You can get these on dvd unaltered as well). If every 6 years George Lucas releases a new edition with slightly new scenes/changes etc for ?50 then thats nothing, ?50 every 6 years.
Whats great is so many people buy these, George and co realise there is still a ton of love for Star Wars and then us fans get more and more - Clone Wars, apparently a Star Wars TV series and more.
The changes dont 'grate' on me at all, i'm happy as its selling well so there should be more Star Wars for me in the future. If you arent really a fan i dont see the issue, i cant stand Dr Who so i dont mind when they tinker with the classic theme tune or change doctors.
despite the name I'm not a particular Star Wars fan, loved the first 3 as a nipper like everyone else and some of the books are decent reads
Think the added stuff is ok, bit more background and so on makes places seem more bustling space porty etc
But one thing I can't forgive is that stupid fecking "woman" thing with lips on a trunk in Jabba's palace......when the f did Star Wars become a musical????
But one thing I can't forgive is that stupid fecking "woman" thing with lips on a trunk in Jabba's palace......when the f did Star Wars become a musical????
but wasn't that scene gonig to be in the original, but he couldn't get the puppet to work properly.
and to answer your question, it became a musical in the holiday special. :-P
but wasn't that scene gonig to be in the original, but he couldn't get the puppet to work properly.
and to answer your question, it became a musical in the holiday special. :-P
Thank God for rubbish puppetry then because
1) the song is ****e
2) the song is irritating after 10seconds
3) the song is really ****e
4) the scene adds NOTHING to the film...well other than a sense of relief being added to the rest of the film as you know there is no more screeching on the way
4) the scene adds NOTHING to the film...well other than a sense of relief being added to the rest of the film as you know there is no more screeching on the way
true but I don't think kids are going to like that screechy ass warbling either
I know I used to avoid musical things like the plague from a young age....though admittedly I also used to happy watch cringe worthy old war films too so my taste may not have been perfect :lol:
true but I don't think kids are going to like that screechy ass warbling either
I know I used to avoid musical things like the plague from a young age....though admittedly I also used to happy watch cringe worthy old war films too so my taste may not have been perfect :lol:
justin bieber is a multi millionaire, kids like all sorts of ****. :-P
I'm a huge Star Wars fan, in an ideal world the films wouldnt be tinkered with, the last editions were pretty good though with extra scenes, the whole film looked 'cleaner' than crappy old VHS, the Jabba scene in Star Wars wasnt bad.
But i dont see why people get so upset, if you want the original films then watch the original films (You can get these on dvd unaltered as well). If every 6 years George Lucas releases a new edition with slightly new scenes/changes etc for ?50 then thats nothing, ?50 every 6 years.
Whats great is so many people buy these, George and co realise there is still a ton of love for Star Wars and then us fans get more and more - Clone Wars, apparently a Star Wars TV series and more.
The changes dont 'grate' on me at all, i'm happy as its selling well so there should be more Star Wars for me in the future. If you arent really a fan i dont see the issue, i cant stand Dr Who so i dont mind when they tinker with the classic theme tune or change doctors.
Agreed. Although Lucas has really screwed up with the "Noooooooooo!" when Vader murders The Emperor. The silence was perfect. I'll be getting the blurays when they come down to ?40-ish - actually might just ask for them as a Christmas pressie.
Oh, and I think the original version of Blade Runner is gash compared to the Directors Cut :-)
Some people just like to moan. If you don't want to buy a new version of Star Wars then don't. If everyone really hated the new versions of Star Wars as much as some noisy "comic book store guy"-alikes on the internet then George wouldn't keep releasing them as people wouldn't keep buying them.
you really like the original version of bladerunner with the crappy voice and hollywood ending rather than the grittier directors cut?
To me the voice over was essential to the film, it gave the film the atmosphere of a set-in-1930s-chicago film noire hard boiled detective in a hostile city type film, and I have no idea at all why it was removed. I can't remember the different ending from the director's cut, though, so I can't compare it to the original's.
I've not seen that, I think? Is it different from the director's cut? Does it have the narration (same word for word as the original) and the paper unicorns, and is it revealed in this version that
Blade Runner - I'm yet to see any of them although I have them.
Oh you should mate, a classic science-fiction film, up there with the Matrix (not the two Matrix sequels, of course :cry:), 2001: A Space Odyssey, Alien, Aliens, Forbidden Planet, and The Day the Earth Stood Still (the original, not the remake).
I can't advise you on which version of Blade Runner to watch first (and judging from this thread you'd get loads of different answers) but if it were me, I'd watch the cinema release version, that has the narration.
Yeah, good one ewgf. There are still many people who may not realise that fact but here at least that's ruined!
In answer to your question, the final cut has been cleaned up, original negatives scanned at a ridiculously high quality, new foley effects, corrected some major errors (sound sync (one including using Ben Ford, Harrison's son to replace his father mouth), replacing a stunt woman's head that was obvious in the film with the actresses etc...), and no voice-over.
To many, the Blu-Ray version of the Final Cut is considered the benchmark by which High Definition video should be compared.
l've mixed feelings about them (just been bought the blue ray versions) tbh they all need tweaking, except empire. As the years have passed I think I'm more of a fan of the Star Wars universe itself than a particular film/game/tv etc a clear case of the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts
To me the voice over was essential to the film, it gave the film the atmosphere of a set-in-1930s-chicago film noire hard boiled detective in a hostile city type film,
Yep exactly...it wasn't 'hand holding' it was a narration, a look into his mind, a perspective. It added massively too it.
Maybe the directors/final cut guys didn't get that point and need their hand holding :p
From a gaming standpoint I loved Max Payne for the same reason...it overflowed with atmosphere thanks to the voice over parts.
the narration was added last minute, because ridley thought the audience wouldn't understand what was going on, not because he was trying to be artistic. it was basically to hold peoples hands.
not saying narration is bad in films, it works really well, if it is well written and acted well, in bladerunners case, it wasn't.
Stupid of me, I admit. Sorry everyone, I wasn't paying attention (fixing a laptop), I've put it in spoilers now, as I should have done originally.
Now I never want to see this movie ... have been looking forward to it for some time now too.
Oh please don't let this put you off. The revelation I let slip isn't the sole reason for watching the film at all, as it has a very good story, action sequences, dialogue, etc. And in fact that revelation was all but removed from the cinema version, because
Spoiler:
the American censors reputedly thought that people wouldn't like finding out that Deckard (the hero) was not human. I don't know how true that is, but that's the accepted story, and as a result the hints that Deckard is a replicant were blitzed by the censors, which was a real bone of contention for fans of the film. The Director's Cut re-introduced these, but removed the narration, and therefore (to me) a lot of the atmosphere and uniqueness of the film.
Zeropolis, best ignore the previous comment including this one ... they ruin the whole movie, sorry.
Not at all, it's not like the film hinges on that, like the Sixth Sense revolves around it's surprise ending.
I still shouldn't have blatantly let it out though, but it's a very minor part of the whole, and every science-fiction fan should see it.
In answer to your question, the final cut has been cleaned up, original negatives scanned at a ridiculously high quality, new foley effects, corrected some major errors (sound sync (one including using Ben Ford, Harrison's son to replace his father mouth), replacing a stunt woman's head that was obvious in the film with the actresses etc...), and no voice-over.
Does it stress the thing I shouldn't have revealed more strongly that the Director's Cut does, though? Is more said about it, or made of it, in the Final Cut?
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I don't know why anyone would buy the Blu-ray version of the films, as they are so changed (sorry, updated) from the original cinema release versions that we grew up with, and the Blu-Ray box set doesn't come with the original unaltered films. The DVD box set (the one I have, I don't know if there are different box sets) comes with the updated versions of all three films, but also the original versions, and even though I have seen the updated versions, I prefer the original versions, just like with Blade Runner.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a major Star Wars fan, so I'm not too offended personally by the changes, but I am a science fiction fan (and so therefore I do like Star Wars) plus I don't like the idea of 'updating' films. They are a product of their time and should remain as such. And even though the changes are mostly very minor*, they shouldn't exist at all, or at most the original version should be supplied with the 'new' version.
For a complete list of changes in all versions of the sixth Star Wars films, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases
I've not bothered looking to see what further changes have been made, foe the Blu-Ray version, but no doubt they'll grate on true SW fanatics.
* Han Solo DID shoot first, are you listening Lucas? It was a defining moment of his character. He is basically a good man, yes, but he's also a realist, and would shoot someone in the back or shoot them before they could reach for their gun if his own life depended on it, and his willingness to do so was necessary for him to survive life on the dangerous edges of the law. Luke Skywalker would never shoot first or shoot someone in the back, because he was the whiter than white choir boy type, but Han Solo has spent years trying to survive amongst immoral scum on all sides, and he knows that honour (unlike morality) means nothing in the real world. And by shooting Grebo first, as Han Solo did do (whatever the 'updated' versions of Star Wars say), Solo was simply doing the necessary thing to survive.
Or even the phenomenal Final Cut!
not got round to seeing that yet. does holden get to shoot first? :p
Yup. the original Blade Runner was much better than the directors cut.
not even his best film.
he did decent video games esp on the atari 8 bits , who'd have thought he knew 6502 asm :)
I did, the voice over was great.... very film noir.
Star Wars - I don't plan to get the blu-ray versions yet.
But i dont see why people get so upset, if you want the original films then watch the original films (You can get these on dvd unaltered as well). If every 6 years George Lucas releases a new edition with slightly new scenes/changes etc for ?50 then thats nothing, ?50 every 6 years.
Whats great is so many people buy these, George and co realise there is still a ton of love for Star Wars and then us fans get more and more - Clone Wars, apparently a Star Wars TV series and more.
The changes dont 'grate' on me at all, i'm happy as its selling well so there should be more Star Wars for me in the future. If you arent really a fan i dont see the issue, i cant stand Dr Who so i dont mind when they tinker with the classic theme tune or change doctors.
Think the added stuff is ok, bit more background and so on makes places seem more bustling space porty etc
But one thing I can't forgive is that stupid fecking "woman" thing with lips on a trunk in Jabba's palace......when the f did Star Wars become a musical????
but wasn't that scene gonig to be in the original, but he couldn't get the puppet to work properly.
and to answer your question, it became a musical in the holiday special. :-P
Thank God for rubbish puppetry then because
1) the song is ****e
2) the song is irritating after 10seconds
3) the song is really ****e
4) the scene adds NOTHING to the film...well other than a sense of relief being added to the rest of the film as you know there is no more screeching on the way
its just a bit of fun. its a kids film.
I know I used to avoid musical things like the plague from a young age....though admittedly I also used to happy watch cringe worthy old war films too so my taste may not have been perfect :lol:
justin bieber is a multi millionaire, kids like all sorts of ****. :-P
Poll required ! (i prefer the original as well).
Agreed. Although Lucas has really screwed up with the "Noooooooooo!" when Vader murders The Emperor. The silence was perfect. I'll be getting the blurays when they come down to ?40-ish - actually might just ask for them as a Christmas pressie.
Oh, and I think the original version of Blade Runner is gash compared to the Directors Cut :-)
Some people just like to moan. If you don't want to buy a new version of Star Wars then don't. If everyone really hated the new versions of Star Wars as much as some noisy "comic book store guy"-alikes on the internet then George wouldn't keep releasing them as people wouldn't keep buying them.
To me the voice over was essential to the film, it gave the film the atmosphere of a set-in-1930s-chicago film noire hard boiled detective in a hostile city type film, and I have no idea at all why it was removed. I can't remember the different ending from the director's cut, though, so I can't compare it to the original's.
I've not seen that, I think? Is it different from the director's cut? Does it have the narration (same word for word as the original) and the paper unicorns, and is it revealed in this version that
Oh you should mate, a classic science-fiction film, up there with the Matrix (not the two Matrix sequels, of course :cry:), 2001: A Space Odyssey, Alien, Aliens, Forbidden Planet, and The Day the Earth Stood Still (the original, not the remake).
I can't advise you on which version of Blade Runner to watch first (and judging from this thread you'd get loads of different answers) but if it were me, I'd watch the cinema release version, that has the narration.
WHAT?!?!?!?! :-o
Thanks for using the [noparse]
Now I never want to see this movie ... have been looking forward to it for some time now too.
Zeropolis, best ignore the previous comment including this one ... they ruin the whole movie, sorry.
Yeah, good one ewgf. There are still many people who may not realise that fact but here at least that's ruined!
In answer to your question, the final cut has been cleaned up, original negatives scanned at a ridiculously high quality, new foley effects, corrected some major errors (sound sync (one including using Ben Ford, Harrison's son to replace his father mouth), replacing a stunt woman's head that was obvious in the film with the actresses etc...), and no voice-over.
To many, the Blu-Ray version of the Final Cut is considered the benchmark by which High Definition video should be compared.
Yep exactly...it wasn't 'hand holding' it was a narration, a look into his mind, a perspective. It added massively too it.
Maybe the directors/final cut guys didn't get that point and need their hand holding :p
From a gaming standpoint I loved Max Payne for the same reason...it overflowed with atmosphere thanks to the voice over parts.
not saying narration is bad in films, it works really well, if it is well written and acted well, in bladerunners case, it wasn't.
I've never even seen bladerunner and even I know that Bruce Willis is a ghost...
p.s. the ship sinks
Stupid of me, I admit. Sorry everyone, I wasn't paying attention (fixing a laptop), I've put it in spoilers now, as I should have done originally.
Oh please don't let this put you off. The revelation I let slip isn't the sole reason for watching the film at all, as it has a very good story, action sequences, dialogue, etc. And in fact that revelation was all but removed from the cinema version, because
Not at all, it's not like the film hinges on that, like the Sixth Sense revolves around it's surprise ending.
I still shouldn't have blatantly let it out though, but it's a very minor part of the whole, and every science-fiction fan should see it.
Does it stress the thing I shouldn't have revealed more strongly that the Director's Cut does, though? Is more said about it, or made of it, in the Final Cut?
http://sciencefictionworld.com/films/science-fiction-films/839-ridley-scott-directing-blade-runner-follow-up.html
has this been since confirmed, or denied, or what?