1984

edited January 2012 in Chit chat
I'm just reading 1984, I've never read the book before. I was never a major book worm (unless technical manuals and papers).

Oh my, what a world I have been missing out on. Its such a great book, with such shockingly accurate portrayals of some aspects of modern life, especially as it was written in 1948.
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  • edited January 2012
    It's a fantastic book that everyone should read, one of my all time favourites.
  • edited January 2012
    I read it first time in English in 1994 and since then I've re-read it about eight times. It's one of those books I never get tired of reading.
  • Yep, it's an excellent read. I think I last read it back in about 1999.

    It is scary how much of it rings true.

    Scottie, have you read either of these two? (If you liked 1984 then you should)

    Slaughterhouse-Five (Kurt Vonnegut)
    Farenheit 451 (Ray Bradbury)

    Oh, and Brave New World of course!
  • edited January 2012
    once you've read that read Brave New World by Huxley....for some reason they are linked forever in my head as examples of dystopian stuff....though there's some that argue that Brave New World is trying to be slightly Utopian
  • edited January 2012
    Just watched the 1984 film adaptation of 1984.

    Have to say that I found both the film and book to be rather depressing.

    Yes I can see why people think it's a classic, but I have no desire to read or watch them again.
  • edited January 2012
    Vanamonde wrote: »
    Just watched the 1984 film adaptation of 1984.

    Have to say that I found both the film and book to be rather depressing.

    Yes I can see why people think it's a classic, but I have no desire to read or watch them again.

    Both very good, with the book (as always) better than the movie, but yes, depressing stuff. Like Pink Floyd's "The Wall", needs to be watched once, but not anything i'd want to see a second time.

    Try watching Brazil... it follows a similar theme but (if I remember right, has been a while since i've seen it) has great touches of pythonesque humour (it is a Terry Gillian film after all!)
  • edited January 2012
    I started on Brave New World but it just didn't click for me and I put it down after a few chapters.

    Still haven't started on 1984 but I have heard enough of it to finally have a look at it.

    Speaking of bleak futures, anyone read The Road yet? Found it to be a cracking read.
  • Arjun wrote: »
    Speaking of bleak futures, anyone read The Road yet? Found it to be a cracking read.
    Yeah, it's really, really bleak but a very good read all the same. I've not seen the film though.
  • edited January 2012
    1984 is one of my favorite books (see my WOS nick...)
  • edited January 2012
    Winston wrote: »
    1984 is one of my favorite books (see my WOS nick...)

    Brilliant, so simple. :)
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  • edited January 2012
    Orwell was right! :D
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  • edited January 2012
    I wouldn't call it great ... it's ok, a bit bleak and pessimistic in a few places.

    This is more up my alleyway, upbeat, happy and I like the colours:

    spotthedog.jpg
    Spoiler:
  • edited January 2012
    i don't think the book reflects very well reality.

    it's 1984 and there's no mention of the speccy.
  • edited January 2012
    i don't think the book reflects very well reality.

    it's 1984 and there's no mention of the speccy.

    Nor Spot, and he'd already been around for 4 years. Orwell was waaay off.
  • edited January 2012
    I don't like Brave New World nowhere near as 1984, it looks very dated by now and too much based on a 1920's setting (no mention of genetics, an excessively simplified picture of conditional learning etc.).

    On the other hand, under the fiction of Fahrenheit 451 lies a great essay on the importance of the written word in an hedonistic world that seems to consume everything in the space of seconds, for which only the present counts. Something which still makes you think a lot about what we experience nowadays.
  • edited January 2012
    Arjun wrote: »
    Speaking of bleak futures, anyone read The Road yet? Found it to be a cracking read.

    As is everything written by Cormac McCarthy! It's been a few years since i read The Road but it's still spinning in my head. I think chances are big that humanity will yet be in this position, life on earth is after all so fragile. And whatever catastrophy will wipe out mankind nothing says it will be swift and overnight, more likely it will take years like in the book.

    Excellent movie too! Nothing like that other cr*p of Book of Eli with a post-apocalyptic theme that came out around the same time.
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    edited January 2012
    I watched the film once a few years ago but found it depressing, i also watched Brazil once but didn't get it. I switched if off halfway through.
    The trouble with tribbles is.......
  • edited January 2012
    Did any of those books predict Kajagoogoo?
  • edited January 2012
    I have actually thought once about making a Spectrum game based on 1984 :)

    You would be walking around the dystopian city in the earlier levels and some bases/ party buildings in the later ones. There would be different classes of people - proles, outer party members, inner party members, guards and so on... Plus a lot of telescreens, microphones, cameras, bombs and rockets falling on the city and Big Brother posters.

    And you have a platformer with a great backstory :smile:


    Maybe Big Brother could be the final enemy ;)
  • edited January 2012
    Ralf wrote: »
    I have actually thought once about making a Spectrum game based on 1984 :)

    You would be walking around the dystopian city in the earlier levels and some bases/ party buildings in the later ones. There would be different classes of people - proles, outer party members, inner party members, guards and so on... Plus a lot of telescreens, microphones, cameras, bombs and rockets falling on the city and Big Brother posters.

    And you have a platformer with a great backstory :smile:


    Maybe Big Brother could be the final enemy ;)

    could be full of win that
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  • edited January 2012
    Ralf wrote: »
    I have actually thought once about making a Spectrum game based on 1984 :)

    You would be walking around the dystopian city in the earlier levels and some bases/ party buildings in the later ones. There would be different classes of people - proles, outer party members, inner party members, guards and so on... Plus a lot of telescreens, microphones, cameras, bombs and rockets falling on the city and Big Brother posters.

    And you have a platformer with a great backstory :smile:


    Maybe Big Brother could be the final enemy ;)

    What, no rats? :mad:

    Orwell tells us you can't have a dystopian utopia without a bunch of hungry rats.
  • I think 1984 could make a cool 'Great Escape' type of game.
  • edited January 2012
    ZnorXman wrote: »
    What, no rats? :mad:

    Orwell tells us you can't have a dystopian utopia without a bunch of hungry rats.

    We do they're called chavs.
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  • edited January 2012
    I think 1984 could make a cool 'Great Escape' type of game.

    let's call denton design!
  • edited January 2012
    We do they're called chavs.

    Hah! pretty good. Here's something completely unrelated I posted before reading your comment, otherwise I might have been inclined to post it here :-P
  • Speaking of dystopian societies has anyone else read Lanark: A Life in Four Books by Alisdair Gray? It's got fantasy elements too and some interesting ideas. The scenes in the Institute with the different diseases being "external manifestation of (his) emotional repression" are a bit like weird diseases you need to cure in Theme Hospital! :razz:
  • edited January 2012
    If you enjoyed 1984 and were interested in the politics of the book then you really, really should read Orwell's essays (many of which are collected in print volumes). He's a much-misunderstood writer, mainly by people who only know him through 1984 (itself a frequently misunderstood book*). Personally I think he's probably the best political writer the UK has ever produced. It's also interesting that he's still so widely admired by most leftwingers when he spent so much of his life arguing against what he saw as the sloppy thinking and denial of the nature of Stalin's USSR of many on the British left, whilst also despising the cynicism, hypocrisy and corruption of British conservatism and loathing the open cruelty, militarism and power-worship of continental fascism.

    I'd recommend "England Your England" and "Politics and the English Language" for starters. Also try and get some of his Tribune columns if you can. He was extremely intelligent, highly principled (as opposed to ideological) and had a good understanding of literature, history and political history which made his analysis of the political situation of his lifetime illuminating at a time when most political writers were simply indulging in party-line orthodoxy about "fascist octopus"'s and the like. In fact, for me, he's the best source on the politics of the time.

    He wasn't perfect. He was homophobic, even taking into account the social mores of the time, sometimes apparently naive (in an otherwise-good critique of Salvador Dali's work, he expresses surprise that Dali continued masturbating "into adulthood") and he occasionally makes claims that, in hindsight, look silly (eg arguing that the Home Guard during World War II had created an armed citizenry who would turn their weapons on the British upper class once the war ended), I also think some of his arguments about language are overly-pendantic or inverted-snobbery, but most of his stuff is thoughtful, insightful and still supremely relevant.

    *It's not supposed to be a prediction of what the world would be like in 1984; it's in a large part satirical even comical; "thoughtcrime" didn't predict political correctness (largely because the concept already existed with the religious concept of "heresy" and "impure thought" - organised religion as well as stalinism and fascism serves as a basis for IngSoc); IngSoc isn't supposed to be Communism (it's supposed to be Oligarchical Collectivism, as described in detail in Goldstein's book, which has emerged, quite openly, from an originally socialist revolution); the world of 1984 probably couldn't actually exist for various economic and social reasons but that's not really the point, etc etc.
  • edited January 2012
    Zagreb wrote: »
    (in an otherwise-good critique of Salvador Dali's work, he expresses surprise that Dali continued masturbating "into adulthood")
    Hey, if it was good enough for Dali!
  • edited January 2012
    redballoon wrote: »
    Hey, if it was good enough for Dali!

    :lol: After I'd written that post I knew that the first thing someone would respond to specifically would be the Dali wanking.
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