Sir Bradley Wiggins

edited December 2012 in Chit chat
Whilst not wanting to belittle the achievements of our Olympics athletes and the superb sporting year we in the UK have had it appears to me that you only need to produce one good year at the right time to receive the ultimate accolade.
Once upon a time it would require a lifetimes dedication to your chosen field.

Classic example would be Kelly Holmes.
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  • edited December 2012
    To be fair, I'd knight him solely for the chops he sports!

    I think they hand these things out too often...the bar has dropped somewhat.
  • edited December 2012
    STeaM wrote: »
    To be fair, I'd knight him solely for the chops he sports!
    Erm, sported. He's shaved them off now...
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  • edited December 2012
    Then he deserves no Knighthood.
  • fogfog
    edited December 2012
    kilburn lad = local lad = give him the thing..

    I'll give you a year.. you create what he did...he only did a "few" things... you try doing them..lol.. even in the peak of fitness , you may have "issues" not not reach the same standard. ( I know I would) .. it's YEARS of training.. not just a years worth of events.. it just so happened they turned up at the same time.. list me the long list of brits who have won the tour de france ? .. exactly..

    as for Kelly Holmes.. yer , she just turned up at the events and won coz she's that good..
  • edited December 2012
    along with chris hoy he is the most decorated british olympian. thats gotta count for something surely??
  • edited December 2012
    karingal wrote: »
    Once upon a time it would require a lifetimes dedication to your chosen field.

    Yeah, it takes some people decades of shagging teenagers, and this bloke gets one for winning a couple of bike races, pfft! :p
  • edited December 2012
    Hogan-Howe of the Met managed to get a knighthood despite his force being knee deep in the mire. Hector Sants (who he?) of the Financial Services Authority has got a knighthood despite being accused of being 'asleep at the wheel' as the bank collapses kicked off. There's also a CBE to Cherie Blair for services to big gobbed wives of former PMs. I prefer someone getting a gong for winning the Tour de France and an Olympic gold in the same year to any of those.
  • edited December 2012
    Titles should only be given to people who risked their lives for their country or their country's citizens, not to someone who did a well paid job with no physical risks to themselves (and no, the risk of falling over in the 500 metres and grazing your knee doesn't count). But that's only in a non-corrupt, morality-rewarding country, and if such a country has ever existed in the world, it's not England.

    But as JamesW says (sort of), it's better the olympic athletes, Paul McCartney, etc, get them than Mandelson, Prescott, etc. At least McCartney, Wiggins etc did something praiseworthy, even if it wasn't fighting on the front line or saving children from a burning building. The others just feathered their own nests, regardless of the best interests of the people they were supposed to represent, and they often didn't mind breaking the odd law or ten.
  • edited December 2012
    Come on, Prescott deserved to be Knighted for punching that egg throwing bumpkin.
  • edited December 2012
    I'm in too minds, I think Karingal is right that the bar has lowered. In the past when someone made an achievement like Wiggo they were awarded a night hood only after a continued contribution to their sport after the great achievement.

    For example Roger Banister, despite his peak of fitness, wins and records being in the mid 50's, he didn't get the nighthood until 1975. When he did it was for his services to sport because not only had be achieved on the track, but once retired from competition his work for the sport council significantly increased funding for sports centres and sports facilities both locally and at a national governmental level. As a qualified Dr, he also played a significant role in initiating steroid testing in sport.

    Then again I suppose, in 1955/6 it would have been difficult to give a man a knighthood for running as the war was still fresh in peoples lives and minds and therefore extraordinary acts of bravery and selflessness were seen as more worthy.
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  • edited December 2012
    ewgf wrote: »
    But that's only in a non-corrupt, morality-rewarding country, and if such a country has ever existed in the world, it's not England.

    Well the international community get a bit tetchy if you ride across the middle east beheading non Christians these days.
  • edited December 2012
    fog wrote: »
    as for Kelly Holmes.. yer , she just turned up at the events and won coz she's that good..
    Not for 9 of the 10 years she competed she didn't...
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  • If the bar had truly been lowered the knighthoods would all have gone to high-jumpers and pole-vaulters.
  • edited December 2012
    By the obvious selection process used by the "the committee" Phil Taylor should have been knighted long ago.
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  • When Gary Barlow gets an OBE you know the whole honours thing is worthless.

    Besides, anyone who uses their title or puts letters after their name deserves to be punched in face.
  • Besides, anyone who uses their title or puts letters after their name deserves to be punched in face.
    Unless you're a doctor maybe :grin:

    Maroc BA (Hons)
  • edited December 2012
    fog wrote: »

    as for Kelly Holmes.. yer , she just turned up at the events and won coz she's that good..

    Holmes was nowhere near a world beater before her Olympic titles. She'd reach finals but she was never in a medal reckoning before 2004. The other athletes (mutola especially) screwed up the first race that really gifted Holmes the victory. The second race she cruised though. I'm not knocking Holmes, but she really wasn't a great before 2004.
  • edited December 2012
    karingal wrote: »
    By the obvious selection process used by the "the committee" Phil Taylor should have been knighted long ago.

    Yes he should. As should Stephen Hendry...
  • Unless you're a doctor maybe :grin:

    Maroc BA (Broken nose)

    Fixed that for you! :D
  • edited December 2012
    I thought Prescot got honoured for a lifelong service to pie eating.
  • Fixed that for you! :D
    Heh, it's already broken once and a bit squidgy at the top :-P
  • edited December 2012
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  • edited December 2012
    Vampyre wrote: »
    Holmes was nowhere near a world beater before her Olympic titles. She'd reach finals but she was never in a medal reckoning before 2004...

    Actually Vampyre, Dame Kelly never was in ANY finals prior to 2004 because she was always out or struggling with injury at the critical times prior to all the major competitions. In 2004 she didn't have those problems. It doesn't matter how good you are if you've got injuries you are never going to perform at your best
  • edited December 2012
    Jimmo wrote: »
    Actually Vampyre, Dame Kelly never was in ANY finals prior to 2004 because she was always out or struggling with injury at the critical times prior to all the major competitions. In 2004 she didn't have those problems. It doesn't matter how good you are if you've got injuries you are never going to perform at your best

    Well, she was actually in a few : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Holmes and did win some medals, but she never really did anything beforehand that would lead you to believe she would eventually become a double Olympic gold medalist.
  • edited December 2012
    Vampyre wrote: »
    Well, she was actually in a few : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Holmes and did win some medals, but she never really did anything beforehand that would lead you to believe she would eventually become a double Olympic gold medalist.
    Certainly nothing which justifies the knighthood.
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  • edited December 2012
    ewgf wrote: »
    Titles should only be given to people who risked their lives for their country or their country's citizens, not to someone who did a well paid job with no physical risks to themselves (and no, the risk of falling over in the 500 metres and grazing your knee doesn't count). But that's only in a non-corrupt, morality-rewarding country, and if such a country has ever existed in the world, it's not England.

    But as JamesW says (sort of), it's better the olympic athletes, Paul McCartney, etc, get them than Mandelson, Prescott, etc. At least McCartney, Wiggins etc did something praiseworthy, even if it wasn't fighting on the front line or saving children from a burning building. The others just feathered their own nests, regardless of the best interests of the people they were supposed to represent, and they often didn't mind breaking the odd law or ten.

    Well said - and Wiggins was sporting chops worthy of the upper house. :D

    My gripe is that if it has come to rewarding athletes for a couple of good wins, or songwriters for writing a few catchy tunes, then the bar has dropped so low that it waters down the honour.

    Time methinks that this archaic honours system be retired?

    (now I'm off to have me a lie down after agreeing with ewgf - must be the sherry!)
  • edited December 2012
    STeaM wrote: »
    My gripe is that if it has come to rewarding athletes for a couple of good wins, or songwriters for writing a few catchy tunes, then the bar has dropped so low that it waters down the honour.

    Yeah Michael Winner turned down his OBE as he thought he deserved a knighthood.
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  • edited December 2012
    Scottie_uk wrote: »
    Yeah Michael Winner turned down his OBE as he thought he deserved a nighthood.
    Erm... you mean knighthood.
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  • edited December 2012
    karingal wrote: »
    Erm... you mean knighthood.

    yes with a k.
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  • edited December 2012
    ewgf wrote: »
    Titles should only be given to people who risked their lives for their country or their country's citizens, not to someone who did a well paid job with no physical risks to themselves (and no, the risk of falling over in the 500 metres and grazing your knee doesn't count). But that's only in a non-corrupt, morality-rewarding country, and if such a country has ever existed in the world, it's not England.

    Do you notice when people are being racist towards us (or themselves (?!)) then the cowards say "England". If they are being OK or nice then they say "Britain". Man, the Jews really have got an iron grip on the minds of the weak these days.
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