Atom Ant released in Spain by GLL
As I have a copy of it, although unfortunately couldnt be preserved since the tape was very damaged...
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Well, you have probably forgotten this. Remember that this tape is an import, so no TZX is in need for preservation. And, maybe you could recall also that last summer I got *your* tape in my hands, mid-fixed it (tape was broken) and anyway could confirm that time that it contains the same as the TZX currently at Wos, for the original Hi-Tec release, and both sides also the same.
So you can relax ;-), no more work is needed for this issue :-).
Cheers,
Jose.
Hello Jose Luis! ;)
Yes, I remember you tried hard to get the tape preserved, thats why I mentioned that being damaged was the reason it couldnt be preserved, despite your efforts, which I know were the farthest it could have been reached in order to get the tzx ;)
However, in this post, what I really meant was that the game is not listed as released in Spain, as some other games from Hi-tec released in Spain, in the same way this Atom Ant was. Other games, were also a copy of the British release, but the Jewel case is double, in contrary as the UK one, which is a single cassette one. There was also the seal from GLL in the case. The game itself is the same, but it was released in our country by GLL, and thats what I tried to correct ;)
For example, my Ruff and Reddy bought in Spain, is also double case box and had the GLL seal, same as this Atom Ant case :)
I already preserved that one, but I couldn't scan the cover because it was somehow glued to the box (and I didn't want to risk damaging it).
Can you scan the cover and instructions for both Ruff and Reddy and Atom Ant?
I will try when Im in Spain next month :)
BTW, being the same file, as Jose Luis mentioned before, there is no need to preserve the Spanish editions of the games as he said? Or there is still some interest?
All different editions are preserved at SPA2, just in case there's any difference. Many turn out to be exactly equal, but you can't know it beforehand. In the case of Hi-tec/GLL, maybe there isn't too much need because the tapes themselves seem to be imported (and therefore will be equal to the UK ones), while the cover differs.
Oh well, right. It will do appear, but spanish (re-)releases are maintained by SPA2, so we should wait for next SPA2 update. It's true Martijn could create this entry in the meanwhile I guess, but this is work for a little, because Juan Pablo L?pez should also include it in SPA2, or otherwise it could be erased when the update had take place. I do know Atom Ant is in SPA2's notes for the next update.
And now for the stuff to get preserved. Being an import, only the different stuff need to be preserved, as Metalbrain correctly states. Sometimes the inlay, though it were the same, is also preserved, simply to clearly stablish this.
As an example, Dro Soft did import many english titles, which were re-released in Spain using its original package, but including a stand-alone piece of paper for the spanish instructions. For these titles only instructions are in need for preservation, but it should be good to also scan the inlay.
Atom Ant has a tape manufactured in England, an english inlay, and it comes in a small jewel case, as for the Hi-Tec product. Apparently, not even instructions were translated (could they had been lost?). It is just known is a spanish re-release because the inlay has a sticker in it in which G.LL. appear.
Don't know now much about Ruff and Reddy and its spanish re-release (sorry, can't look now for details, maybe later), but the inlay for Atom Ant is already made: ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games-inlays/a/AtomAnt.jpg, and yes, it is from *the* tape Iv?n do own :-) (and you can see the sticker too). I scanned and submitted it last summer, while I had this tape.
Cheers,
Jose.
Thanks for the further clarification! :)
So I will scan the Ruff and Reddy one when Im in Spain then ;)
As for the Atom Ant, the only thing I disagree :D is that the cover is the same as with the British one, because the british edition is single case jewel, while the Spanish cover was double case jewel, so the size of the cover paper is different, although it reads the same texts! In those case, are they considered different or equal?
But, in my oppinion (and please, just take this way) the double case inlay belongs to an english release too. Maybe we shouldn't assume Hi-Tec didn't released Atom Ant twice, one for each both packages, and only partially preserved for now. I'm just searched for Hi-Tec titles, and found Top Cat (http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0005329). You can see it has two different (apparently) english inlays. Unfortunately no one can say for sure if any of these were for a G.LL. re-release, and the same way we can't assume G.LL. didn't re-release Atom Ant twice, using a small jewel case too, right?
And, it makes no sense for me (again my oppinion) if D.LL. was re-releasing Atom Ant, while forcing a different sized art for the inlay, and did lose that option for incorporating its logo using the same inlay. Strange at least, it isn't? :-?
Fortunately for the matter, Atom Ant's inlay is already preserved, thanks to you, and if you also scan the inlay for Ruff and Reddy it will be very welcome! :-).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Jose.
Don't you remember the bunch of pictures I took? It had both spanish and english text.
Yes, you got it, don't remember! :p. My brain was never a great thing, but last times (the two last decades or so) is the worst one you can face to ;-). But seriously, sorry for that, and the matter is that I have no access now to my files, so only checked at WoS. Maybe later in the day :-).
Cheers!
Thanks to bring this to my mind..., again (hehe). I remembered these photos as soon as I saw them again, and also recalled our conversation about how to separate plastic and paper, or even about not to try it. Yes, it's true, sorry again.
Oh, and I see now what you said about languages. This is not exactly what I was referring to when told about including instructions translated to spanish for an import. It seems Ruff and Reddy (along Atom Ant from ivanzx, and yet many others) is (we could say) a international release, including both languages at the same shot, and maybe the same inlay was used for release in England too, so I think we should keep on considering it an import, even if it was known then it was to be released in Spain a short after. Look at the inlay for the small case box (ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games-inlays/r/RuffAndReddyInTheSpaceAdventure.jpg). There you can see only english text is shown, but they also appear British and Spanish flags, so it is supposed for instructions to be printed in spanish too (?). Both flags are present in many other titles from Hi Tec.
So, maybe Ruff and Reddy could be a step more to think about both releases (double and small cases) could be sold in England, or well, there's room to consider this at least, and then I shouldn't use the case size to distinguish between them.
All this is again my oppinion (and just that), so I'm sending a message to Juan Pablo L?pez to bring this thread to his attention, so he can consider how to manage with these editions. He's very busy now, but I'm sure he will look to this when he find the time.
Thanks for the info! :-)
Cheers!