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clegg vs farage debates

def chrisdef chris
edited April 2014 in Chit chat
anyone been following these? about 20 minutes of this 2nd one left.

nick clegg talks in soundbytes and comes across like he's been stood in front of the mirror practicing 'emotive' body language. really does my head in

don't agree with some of UKIP policies but at least nigel farage sounds like he's speaking from the heart

interesting watch though
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  • mel the bellmel the bell
    edited April 2014
    **** politricks
    Professional Mel-the-Bell Simulator................"So realistic, I found myself reaching for the Kleenex King-Size!" - Richard Darling
  • spectrumlinuxspectrumlinux
    edited April 2014
    def chris wrote: »
    anyone been following these? about 20 minutes of this 2nd one left.

    nick clegg talks in soundbytes and comes across like he's been stood in front of the mirror practicing 'emotive' body language. really does my head in

    don't agree with some of UKIP policies but at least nigel farage sounds like he's speaking from the heart

    interesting watch though

    I'll have to watch those later on.
    Nigel Farage is an excellent speaker and debater.
  • daveysludgedaveysludge
    edited April 2014
    Clegg is detached from reality...

    Why do people vote for idiots like him?
  • ewgfewgf
    edited April 2014
    mel the bell wrote: »
    **** politricks

    Yep. They are all concerned only with their own careers, and care nothing for the voters.
  • def chrisdef chris
    edited April 2014
    spectrumlinux wrote: »
    I'll have to watch those later on.
    Nigel Farage is an excellent speaker and debater.

    yeah I've seen some of the speeches he's done in that big euro place (whatever it's called) and he seems to love tearing them all a new asrehloe ! shame so many of UKIPs policies appear to be so far to the right
    mel the bell wrote: »
    **** politricks
    is there a punk band called politricks? there should be lol
  • weesamweesam
    edited April 2014
    def chris wrote: »
    shame so many of UKIPs policies appear to be so far to the right

    you may define "so many" and "so far to the right" as you wish.

    I have not read the UKIP manifesto (have you?) but on the face of it, they do not seem "so far to the right" at all; rather the opposite.
  • def chrisdef chris
    edited April 2014
    ok, let's not go there :razz:. haven't read the manifesto either.
  • zx1zx1
    edited April 2014
    I can see this thread ending badly!:grin:
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  • def chrisdef chris
    edited April 2014
    haha yeah, hope not/. wossers unite not wossers fight
  • mel the bellmel the bell
    edited April 2014
    weesam wrote: »
    you may define "so many" and "so far to the right" as you wish.

    I have not read the UKIP manifesto (have you?) but on the face of it, they do not seem "so far to the right" at all; rather the opposite.
    their main two policies are to do with EU and immigration, very big issues on the right, everything else they have, are side issues

    infact reading http://www.ukip.org/issues its a whos who of right wing thinking LOL

    out of the EU
    tighter border control
    tougher on crime
    tougher on welfare
    no political correctness
    no green subsidies
    etc
    etc
    etc
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  • def chrisdef chris
    edited April 2014
    also being anti same-sex marriages is traditionally a right wing thing, but then maybe it's not if Cameron thinks they're okay... funny how the tories have basically done a 180 over that compared to a few years ago.

    but anyway yeah let's not have one of them "internet flame wars".
  • Scottie_ukScottie_uk
    edited April 2014
    The fact that Clegg and Farrage are having TV debates at all shows you how much credibility UKIP is getting. Just a few years ago they were laughable.

    What does that tell you? It tells me that the labour, tories and lib dems have been such a shower of self serving b@stards that people are looking for an alternative.
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  • Battle BunnyBattle Bunny
    edited April 2014
    I thought that Clegg's performance tonight was embarrassingly bad. His attempts to counter Farage's arguments seemed to rely primarily on distortion, misrepresentation and fabrication of UKIP policies, coupled with some desperately feeble and totally inappropriate attempts at humour. Half the time he seemed to be babbling to no sense or purpose at all, whereas Farage remained cool, calm and collected, easily demolishing Clegg's position on every topic.
  • colecole
    edited April 2014
    mel the bell wrote: »
    their main two policies are to do with EU and immigration, very big issues on the right, everything else they have, are side issues

    infact reading http://www.ukip.org/issues its a whos who of right wing thinking LOL

    out of the EU
    tighter border control
    tougher on crime
    tougher on welfare
    no political correctness
    no green subsidies
    etc
    etc
    etc

    I'm sure I heard somewhere that he is in favour of relaxing gun controls. I'm not sure that would be a good idea if it turned out to be true.
  • Matt_BMatt_B
    edited April 2014
    Scottie_uk wrote: »
    The fact that Clegg and Farrage are having TV debates at all shows you how much credibility UKIP is getting. Just a few years ago they were laughable.

    What does that tell you? It tells me that the labour, tories and lib dems have been such a shower of self serving b@stards that people are looking for an alternative.

    I'd think it's more indicative of how much credibility the Lib Democrats have lost. They gave the impression of an alternative centre party in the run up to the last election, but they're in for a hammering at the next one. Clegg knows that the rest of the party is going to turn on him and he's getting desperate.

    And much though the public might want an alternative to Labour and the Conservatives, I don't think UKIP are it. Farage is a former financier and Tory MP, yet he goes on about the "political class" and their friends in business as though he's somehow not one of them.

    Ah well, better them than the BNP if you want to make a statement, I suppose.
  • mel the bellmel the bell
    edited April 2014
    cole wrote: »
    I'm sure I heard somewhere that he is in favour of relaxing gun controls. I'm not sure that would be a good idea if it turned out to be true.

    not read that but the right do like the right to defend themselves......against the commies lol
    and into survivalism
    Professional Mel-the-Bell Simulator................"So realistic, I found myself reaching for the Kleenex King-Size!" - Richard Darling
  • Dave_CDave_C
    edited April 2014
    Matt_B wrote: »
    And much though the public might want an alternative to Labour and the Conservatives, I don't think UKIP are it. Farage is a former financier and Tory MP, yet he goes on about the "political class" and their friends in business as though he's somehow not one of them.

    ^^ This.

    def chris wrote:
    yeah I've seen some of the speeches he's done in that big euro place (whatever it's called) and he seems to love tearing them all a new asrehloe ! shame so many of UKIPs policies appear to be so far to the right

    Instead of working towards fixing the problems with EU he spent his time as an MEP pissing people off and engaging in pointless showboating. Didn't stop him taking the money though.
  • mermanmerman
    edited April 2014
    Nigel Farage, the 21st Century Oswald Moseley.
  • daveysludgedaveysludge
    edited April 2014
    merman wrote: »
    Nigel Farage, the 21st Century Oswald Moseley.

    The only fascism I see is the way Clegg and his Europhile cronies deny us a say in our future and who rules us!
  • Dave_CDave_C
    edited April 2014
    daveysludge wrote: »
    The only fascism I see is the way Clegg and his Europhile cronies deny us a say in our future and who rules us!

    But do the general public have sufficient knowledge of the facts to make that decision? Given the quality of the debate and the amount of bull$h1t spread by BOTH sides so-far, I would say probably not.
  • mel the bellmel the bell
    edited April 2014
    Dave_C wrote: »
    But do the general public have sufficient knowledge of the facts to make that decision? Given the quality of the debate and the amount of bull$h1t spread by BOTH sides so-far, I would say probably not.

    where's the like button?

    lol
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  • daveysludgedaveysludge
    edited April 2014
    Dave_C wrote: »
    But do the general public have sufficient knowledge of the facts to make that decision? Given the quality of the debate and the amount of bull$h1t spread by BOTH sides so-far, I would say probably not.

    Mustn't let the ignorant public have a say on anything that affects them and their future or jeopardises the Westminster politicians finances!

    Why bother having any elections if the populous is so fundamentally thick?
  • def chrisdef chris
    edited April 2014
    I reckon once this whole thing calms down people will still keep things as they are tbh... UKIP are like the plucky new contender with a few sharp jabs and right hooks but no track record of anything, and I don't think anyone really knows what it means to be Lib Dem any more (if they ever did). the Tory/labour axis is so set in stone I don't think anything can really infiltrate it, if that's the right word. - I'd almost like to be proved wrong though
  • Matt_BMatt_B
    edited April 2014
    daveysludge wrote: »
    Why bother having any elections if the populous is so fundamentally thick?

    So that the elected representatives can decide, after being thoroughly briefed on the issues?

    Well, that's the theory at least...
  • mel the bellmel the bell
    edited April 2014
    after all, whoever you vote for, government wins
    Professional Mel-the-Bell Simulator................"So realistic, I found myself reaching for the Kleenex King-Size!" - Richard Darling
  • DunnyDunny
    edited April 2014
    daveysludge wrote: »
    Why bother having any elections if the populous is so fundamentally thick?

    Then we need to start educating them. Spelling would be a good start.

    D.
  • Dave_CDave_C
    edited April 2014
    This is a link to a full fact check of the first debate:

    https://fullfact.org/europe/video-clegg-farage-debate-factchecked-30919

    I've not watched it all yet, but it seems pretty well done (the fact-checked information is synced with the questions and the responses in the video).
  • mel the bellmel the bell
    edited April 2014
    Dunny wrote: »
    Then we need to start educating them. Spelling would be a good start.

    D.

    you can't educate pork :P
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  • colecole
    edited April 2014
    mel the bell wrote: »
    not read that but the right do like the right to defend themselves......against the commies lol
    and into survivalism

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10595087/Hand-guns-should-be-legalised-and-licensed-Nigel-Farage-has-said.html
  • def chrisdef chris
    edited April 2014
    cole wrote: »
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10595087/Hand-guns-should-be-legalised-and-licensed-Nigel-Farage-has-said.html
    a 'knee jerk' reaction to dunblane? for all the sense he seems to talk, he also talks some right twaddle
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