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Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
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Last week, with the other complaints, there was one that needed further investigation as it appeared to be from Mark Cale regarding system3 titles. I have removed these titles on his request (via a DMCA notice rather than direct contact).
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  • IvanzxIvanzx
    Unfortunately, the image of WoS has been damaged in the last months :(
    <a href="http://rincondelspectrum.blogspot.de/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://rincondelspectrum.blogspot.de/</a>;
  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    Ivanzx wrote: »
    Unfortunately, the image of WoS has been damaged in the last months :(

    It was a bigger loss to lose activision.
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  • rich_chandlerrich_chandler
    Lee Fogarty wrote: »
    Ivanzx wrote: »
    Unfortunately, the image of WoS has been damaged in the last months :(

    It was a bigger loss to lose activision.
    Indeed, this has hardly caused a ripple compared to the tsunami when Activision was removed. I remember it well.
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • Ast_A_MooreAst_A_Moore
    Sorry, what was the point in the pettiness of these companies denying the distribution of their 30-year-old titles, again? I must have missed the memo explaining how financially devastating it was to them. I mean, won’t somebody think of the children!
    Every man should plant a tree, build a house, and write a ZX Spectrum game.

    Author of A Yankee in Iraq, a 50 fps shoot-’em-up—the first game to utilize the floating bus on the +2A/+3,
    and zasm Z80 Assembler syntax highlighter.
    Member of the team that discovered, analyzed, and detailed the floating bus behavior on the ZX Spectrum +2A/+3.

    A few Spectrum game fixes.
  • mik3d3nchmik3d3nch
    Isn't there some time limit on copyright? I thought it was 25 years not that legal chicanery won't be used to renew copyright in a number of ways but is it worth it? Don't they have the sense to see that trying to squeeze the goose that laid the golden egg might prevent it from doing so again. In other words is the chance of earning a few more bucks from the retro market worth the very real risk of killing off what might - given encouragement - cause a whole new bonanza


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  • rich_chandlerrich_chandler
    Ast_A_Moore wrote: »
    Sorry, what was the point in the pettiness of these companies denying the distribution of their 30-year-old titles, again? I must have missed the memo explaining how financially devastating it was to them. I mean, won’t somebody think of the children!
    To be quite honest a denial of distribution means very little in reality. You may not be able to download the titles from WoS but there certainly other sites on the internet where you can find them.
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • PegazPegaz
    What is the purpose of WoS, if so many important games can not be found in the archive and if we have to go to other places to find them?

    btw, is this true?

    Re: World of Spectrum is down
    Post by FrankT » Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:52 pm

    I think WOS was ok with copyright until Mr Fogerty started selling WOS archive DVD's for £30 a pop.

    The permissions granted were for non profit use. The latest debacle was from complaints from Atari, Nintendo, Taito and Ubisoft. Probably from the sale of their titles on a WOS DVD.

    I doubt it has anything to do with the RCL issue. Which the courts have decided over already.

    I loved WOS with a passion. It's been in a decline since Martijn left to live his life.

    http://www.specnext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=376&sid=aaa64f837157ffde9a57895e2d319e06&start=10#top
    http://retrospec.sgn.net/users/tomcat/yu/index.php
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  • RalfRalf
    Sorry, what was the point in the pettiness of these companies denying the distribution of their 30-year-old titles, again?
    Don't they have the sense to see that trying to squeeze the goose that laid the golden egg might prevent it from doing so again.

    People, are you living in a cave or under a rock?

    It's nothing about earning money from these old games. Rather it's some kind of revenge. Lee engaged into this stinking Vega affair and made quite a lot of enemies. Now they are striking back at Lee and at WOS which they consider (mostly correctly) to be his personal site.

  • FrankTFrankT
    edited June 2017
    Pegaz wrote: »
    What is the purpose of WoS, if so many important games can not be found in the archive and if we have to go to other places to find them?

    btw, is this true?

    Not true about the DVD, I've apologized to Lee, and have tried to remove the post, but it's been locked. I emailed the webmaster on the Next forums to have it removed.

    I was lied too by Mr Bum. Who said it in the comments of his last video. I stupidly believed him.
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  • rich_chandlerrich_chandler
    Pegaz wrote: »
    What is the purpose of WoS, if so many important games can not be found in the archive and if we have to go to other places to find them?

    btw, is this true?

    Re: World of Spectrum is down
    Post by FrankT » Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:52 pm

    I think WOS was ok with copyright until Mr Fogerty started selling WOS archive DVD's for £30 a pop.

    The permissions granted were for non profit use. The latest debacle was from complaints from Atari, Nintendo, Taito and Ubisoft. Probably from the sale of their titles on a WOS DVD.

    I doubt it has anything to do with the RCL issue. Which the courts have decided over already.

    I loved WOS with a passion. It's been in a decline since Martijn left to live his life.

    http://www.specnext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=376&sid=aaa64f837157ffde9a57895e2d319e06&start=10#top
    No. There absolutely no truth in the comment whatsoever. FrankT has apologised and accepted that his post was entirely incorrect.
    Lee has never sold DVD's of the WoS archive and never suggested doing so. The whole accusation stems from a post approx 15 years ago where someone was asking the value of the WoS archive and suggested putting it on a CD. Lee said the archive was so large it would have to be a DVD which at the time was quite expensive.

    So it was a conversation taken completely out of context with no element of truth behind it whatsoever.

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  • mermanmerman
    Ast_A_Moore wrote: »
    Sorry, what was the point in the pettiness of these companies denying the distribution of their 30-year-old titles, again? I must have missed the memo explaining how financially devastating it was to them. I mean, won’t somebody think of the children!

    System 3 are still in existence and are planning new games based on their old IP.
  • rich_chandlerrich_chandler
    merman wrote: »
    Ast_A_Moore wrote: »
    Sorry, what was the point in the pettiness of these companies denying the distribution of their 30-year-old titles, again? I must have missed the memo explaining how financially devastating it was to them. I mean, won’t somebody think of the children!

    System 3 are still in existence and are planning new games based on their old IP.
    That would make perfect sense regarding their denial of distribution. And goes without saying that WoS complies with their request and has our full support of any new games based on their old 8 bit titles.
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  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    So how many others sites have reported that they received the same notice?
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  • Ast_A_MooreAst_A_Moore
    merman wrote: »
    System 3 are still in existence and are planning new games based on their old IP.

    And godspeed to them, but do they still distribute the Spectrum versions of their games?
    Every man should plant a tree, build a house, and write a ZX Spectrum game.

    Author of A Yankee in Iraq, a 50 fps shoot-’em-up—the first game to utilize the floating bus on the +2A/+3,
    and zasm Z80 Assembler syntax highlighter.
    Member of the team that discovered, analyzed, and detailed the floating bus behavior on the ZX Spectrum +2A/+3.

    A few Spectrum game fixes.
  • R-TapeR-Tape
    Ast_A_Moore wrote: »
    And godspeed to them, but do they still distribute the Spectrum versions of their games?

    I'd like to know this too.

    If they're selling the Spectrum .TAP files, or physical cassettes then fine, I'd probably buy some of them.

    If however, they don't want anyone playing the Spectrum versions because they want to make a few hundred quid from an Android version, then the Spectrum scene should judge accordingly...

    But my guess is that some of the stuff Ralf mentioned above is in the mix too.
    My speccy games.
  • F_ClowderF_Clowder
    edited June 2017
    The World Of Spectrum website is, and should continue to be, simply a database with information concerning everything* about our dearly beloved Speccy and other Sinclair related info. Whether it be games, books, authors, etc.

    The Wide Webs are vast, you can go find the game files elsewhere, now or eventually
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    *Whenever possible :-D
    Pegaz wrote: »
    What is the purpose of WoS, if so many important games can not be found in the archive and if we have to go to other places to find them?

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    What now?
  • PegazPegaz
    Sure, but I prefer working database, something like this:
    http://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/

    So, what else is left?
    Outdated emulators section, abandoned Top 100 list maybe?
    I do not think so ..
    If I want to download one of my favorite emulators, like Spud, I have to go somewhere else, because the latest version on wos is from 2011 ??
    For best games list, of course, spectrum20.org is much more relevant, etc...
    Therefore, I rarely visiting a website, only forum remains, as the second largest meeting place for Spectrum fans, but wos must and should be much more than that..

    http://retrospec.sgn.net/users/tomcat/yu/index.php
    http://zx-pk.ru/
  • Antiriad2097Antiriad2097
    Second largest?
  • PegazPegaz
    http://zx-pk.ru/forum.php

    There are approximately 10 times more active users, every day...
    http://retrospec.sgn.net/users/tomcat/yu/index.php
    http://zx-pk.ru/
  • Antiriad2097Antiriad2097
    Ah. So WoS is the largest Speccy place I can actually understand.
  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    Antiriad2097 wrote: »
    Ah. So WoS is the largest Speccy place I can actually understand.

    Have you read the chit-chat section?

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  • rich_chandlerrich_chandler
    Pegaz wrote: »
    http://zx-pk.ru/forum.php

    There are approximately 10 times more active users, every day...
    Without reading it (my Russian is a bit rusty) I suspect 95% of the chat involves the Russian clones rather the original UK Spectrum itself.
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • TimmyTimmy
    edited June 2017
    Oh, I remember I stopped visiting that other site because of the anti adblocker banners. They became so annoying that I decided to skip it instead of writing a blocker to block it.
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  • PegazPegaz
    Antiriad2097 wrote: »
    Ah. So WoS is the largest Speccy place I can actually understand.

    Well, its quite understandable in this way. :)
    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://zx-pk.ru/forum.php&edit-text=&act=url
    http://retrospec.sgn.net/users/tomcat/yu/index.php
    http://zx-pk.ru/
  • RalfRalf
    zx.pk.ru is a good site but yes, it's made by Russians for Russians.

    So you'll find a lot of info there about Russian clones, about old pirate cassette compilations, about Tr-Dos, about Russian demoscene, Russian people and so on. Oh, and they don't give a damn about Vega ;)

    It's not a replacement for WOS and WOS is not replacement for zx.pk.ru.
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