These "new" games

edited June 2005 in Games
I'm not sure about these new games coming out.

Every dog has its day. The Speccy although legendary and magical, had its day.

Call me a traitor. I love the speccy, but I question the worth of new speccy games. I don't wish to decry the efforts of those programmers who write the new stuff. Amazing that folks are still going at it.

In short, the speccy belongs in the realms of nostalgia and childhood memories.

What do You think?
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  • edited May 2005
    In short, the speccy belongs in the realms of nostalgia and childhood memories.

    Yes. People that are nostalgic of playing games in the Spectrum play games. People that are nostalgic of writing programs for the Spectrum write programs.

    [ This Message was edited by: NotFound on 2005-05-29 15:56 ]
  • edited May 2005
    Why does the speccy have such a big community keeping it going then? Some speccy freaks are passionate about there rubber keyed chumns, I think the childhood and nostalgia are an insult personally!
  • edited May 2005
    On 2005-05-29 16:33, ANDREW RYALS wrote:
    ...
    Some speccy freaks are passionate about there rubber keyed chumns, I think the childhood and nostalgia are an insult personally!

    Hmmm, then I am glad to announce that I am a Speccy Freak* ... I am nostalgic about the Speccy memories of my childhood but it's only really recently that I've been using the Speccy in a more productive way than just playing games. I am no longer the kid of 20 years ago but rather the Speccy "grown up" of today, trying to figure out how to do assembly and how to make Screen$ etc, etc.

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    *incidentally I am not talking about one of the moderators of WoS: Speccyfreak.
  • edited May 2005
    then you should call ?freak? anybody who still watches James Bond movies (they?re simply too old, just like Speccy) - (?freaks? again are people who are making new episodes of James Bond and watching them...) - it?s the same nostalgia

    if you love something and have good memories, why not to relive them again.
    I still personally listen to Led Zeppelin and Beatles...
    is it freaky or absolutely fine? :D
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  • edited May 2005

    Can't speak for others, but late last year I came to a decision that there was no point in churning out the same sort of stuff I've been writing for the best part of two decades now. It's territory I've already covered, and it was time to move on.

    I had a choice: develop games for different platforms, or start to experiment a little by writing unusual games which haven't been done before, either on the Spectrum or anywhere else for that matter.

    Actually, it wasn't a difficult decision. Dreaming up new ideas for Spectrum games is where I want to be. There's massive potential there, though I'll continue to dabble with the CPC.

    Higgledy Piggledy was my first attempt. I'm two weeks into development of a second, and am really starting to enjoy programming again. If other developers are of a similar mind then maybe, just maybe, the Spectrum could start to develop a reputation as a machine for which innovative new games are developed - or am I just talking bollocks?
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  • edited May 2005
    personally i enjoy checking out new games for the speccy, specially when theyre as well programmed as Jonathans games and that abes mission escape game
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  • edited May 2005
    I'm not saying anyone is childish or anything. Heck, I am a speccy freak too.

    If people want to develope new stuff, good on 'em. It's just I personally cant see past the golden years, thats all. Obviously others do. That was the point of the post, to find out. Also, I like annoying people too.
  • edited May 2005
    On 2005-05-29 16:33, ANDREW RYALS wrote:
    Why does the speccy have such a big community keeping it going then? Some speccy freaks are passionate about there rubber keyed chumns, I think the childhood and nostalgia are an insult personally!

    Passions don't have age!
    I love to play the games that i played 20 years ago. I'm 37 years old, but i have a lot of passions, sport (my football team), music, spectrum.... and i'm happy!
    Why do you think that is an insult?
  • edited May 2005
    Replaying the old games bring's back great memories
    but new one's bring back the old excitement that only a new release can bring
  • edited May 2005
    On 2005-05-29 18:16, jonathan wrote:

    Dreaming up new ideas for Spectrum games is where I want to be. There's massive potential there,

    Higgledy Piggledy was my first attempt. I'm two weeks into development of a second,

    Err, Jonathan I read all the news about E3 but never saw anything about your new game how about a press release please.
  • edited May 2005
    On 2005-05-29 23:01, chop983 wrote:
    Err, Jonathan I read all the news about E3 but never saw anything about your new game how about a press release please.

    Pfff. E3 is old news these days - get with the times. Upcoming cutting edge gaming is at ORSAM.

    In a Scout Hut.

    D.

  • edited May 2005
    Personally, I get a tingle up my spine when I see a "new" spectrum game (even screenshots of them) - whether they be in machine code or BASIC!

    It makes me gibber in wondorous rapture to think that the humble Speccy, even after all this years, is still pushing and motiviating people to USE it.
  • edited May 2005
    Writing a Speccy game in 2005 may be anachronistic, but there are moods you can create on it that you cant do on a PC or Xbox or whatever, that's why can't get rid of the urge to play them or even write them.
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  • edited May 2005
    Nothing wrong with new speccy software in my book. If I still had my Big Trak I'd still be programming that!!!
    And what with all the remakes on other platforms, it's nice too see people still have the balls(and concentration) to tackle assembler head on and make the little speccy do singing back flips through flaming hoops - with a blindfold on. Respect.
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  • edited May 2005
    On 2005-05-29 18:16, jonathan wrote:

    Dreaming up new ideas for Spectrum games is where I want to be. There's massive potential there, though I'll continue to

    This kind of attitude existing, I would personally not be utterly surprised if a new multiplatform megahit would get its start as a Spectrum version.

    SpecMem
  • edited May 2005
    Well it seems you're all in favour of new stuff. I wont say another word on it.

    Hark back to the golden age of bedroom programmers if you must, knocking out prize winning efforts in you're garden shed or whatever. Thats the magic of it I guess.
  • edited May 2005
    On 2005-05-29 19:30, {EVIL}CrommCruac wrote:
    Also, I like annoying people too.

    What really is the point of trying to wind people up or annoy them ? Not saying you have to like the latest games but to say you just like annoying people, sad.

    The latest games coming out are very good, not saying you have to love them though but your comments really are pretty poor.

    We love the Speccy games for a whole ton of reasons, #1 to me is gameplay, forget the whizzy 3d graphics or amazing tunes, to me if a game is playable i'll still be playing it 20 years later. If its rubbish i wont whatever Speccy classic it is.

    I presume someone is bored as hell to write a stupid thread like this. How many of these new games have you really tried ?
  • edited May 2005
    I don't think its a stupid thread. I've said my opinion. I wanted to hear other opinions.

    Nothing to do with boredom. just promoting discussion.

    Annoying people and being controversial, its in my nature. It's annoyed you obviously.

    PS. Where is Ramsar*e

    [ This Message was edited by: {EVIL}CrommCruac on 2005-05-31 00:17 ]
  • edited May 2005
    On 2005-05-30 22:04, {EVIL}CrommCruac wrote:
    ....... knocking out prize winning efforts in you're garden shed or whatever. Thats the magic of it I guess.

    I once knocked out a prize winning effort in a shed. It was indeed magic.
    "I should use simulator loosely 'cos I don't think it's quite like this on the beach with helicopters and fires and the jumping beach buggy" - paulisthebest3uk 2020.
  • edited May 2005
    PS. Where is Ramsar*e

    Just a silly joke on my part, moved up from 'dan 'saff to Ramsbottom in Lancashire, near Bury.
  • edited May 2005
    The thing is i think when looking back at that era we obviously remember and talk a lot about the great games of that time, but there were also many duds.

    Just many times with nostalgic conversations you dont always bring up the bad times.

    Back then saving up for weeks for a game was frustrating as anything, what was even worse was buying the game then realising how bad it was and then knowing you had wasted weeks of pocket money for this dire title, you 'tried' to like it and play it over and over but in the back of your brain you said to yourself, 'admit it, its rubbish'.

    Nowadays obviously we have more money than when we were 11 or 12, the Cronosoft games are 99p or 1.99 so for a rom image which isnt really that much and we get a lot of enjoyment from the games. Not saying every game may be a classic before i get accused of being a Cronosoft fanboy but for the money its excellent value.

    But back in the golden era there were many duds just we like to forget about those ones !

    Of course the Speccy had its day years and years ago but so did many bands or cars or other retro items. Lots of those are still going strong. But the Speccy just like many other platforms have come back due to this retro boom, companies are re-releasing classic old games, Nintendo released Warioware which is a collection of retro themed games which was a huge hit and so on and so on.

    But the new Speccy games are fine, 'More Tea Vicar' apart from being a ridiculous title is a great game, the demo was superb and i cant wait for the full version. As for Platform Game Designer i've used that a ton and its excellent.

    How many titles have you got from Cronosoft ? Just interested on how many and what ones you didnt like to get this view

    But a lot of it is just to do with the fact that we've grown up. Back in those days i used to rush back with the latest game i got, i was so excited checking the post trying to find out when the game i ordered from a mail order company had arrived etc.

    Now so many years on i like trying new Speccy games but i'm not blown away or checking email every 5 secs to get the file. Same with tv, years ago i used to love Dr Who, now i watch it and i'm not a fan at all as it just doesnt interest me. Same with so many things.

    The Speccy games being produced are very good but its just a totally different era at the moment so you cant expect to get totally blown away as you might have done 20 years ago when you saw Knight Lore for the first time. New games still coming out though is excellent.

    [ This Message was edited by: psj3809 on 2005-05-31 11:27 ]
  • edited May 2005
    On 2005-05-30 06:57, Arjun wrote:
    Personally, I get a tingle up my spine when I see a "new" spectrum game (even screenshots of them) - whether they be in machine code or BASIC!

    yeah, that?s obvious - everyone who?s exprienced having Speccy in the childtime should have the same feeling now, it is really digging deep your brain - not only psychical=also physical memory, whatta feeling! :)
    it?s like repeated orgasm - and always new...

    beeing ?knowingly foolish? is privilege of the wise. ;)
    ...so: enjoy your childhood and good feelings anytime you have a chance... it mustn?t linger forever...

    btw: (on the same note) - check my web (below the line), freshly done - it concerns ?new? graphical stuff for ZX Speccy, maybe you can support it a little ;)
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  • edited May 2005
    On 2005-05-31 09:40, alanspec wrote:
    On 2005-05-30 22:04, {EVIL}CrommCruac wrote:
    ....... knocking out prize winning efforts in you're garden shed or whatever. Thats the magic of it I guess.

    I once knocked out a prize winning effort in a shed. It was indeed magic.

    Heh, I can believe that. Gardening and cultivating can be such bliss.
  • edited May 2005
    On 2005-05-31 09:48, psj3809 wrote:
    The thing is i think when looking back at that era we obviously remember and talk a lot about the great games of that time, but there were also many duds.

    Just many times with nostalgic conversations you dont always bring up the bad times.

    Back then saving up for weeks for a game was frustrating as anything, what was even worse was buying the game then realising how bad it was and then knowing you had wasted weeks of pocket money for this dire title, you 'tried' to like it and play it over and over but in the back of your brain you said to yourself, 'admit it, its rubbish'.

    Nowadays obviously we have more money than when we were 11 or 12, the Cronosoft games are 99p or 1.99 so for a rom image which isnt really that much and we get a lot of enjoyment from the games. Not saying every game may be a classic before i get accused of being a Cronosoft fanboy but for the money its excellent value.

    But back in the golden era there were many duds just we like to forget about those ones !

    Of course the Speccy had its day years and years ago but so did many bands or cars or other retro items. Lots of those are still going strong. But the Speccy just like many other platforms have come back due to this retro boom, companies are re-releasing classic old games, Nintendo released Warioware which is a collection of retro themed games which was a huge hit and so on and so on.

    But the new Speccy games are fine, 'More Tea Vicar' apart from being a ridiculous title is a great game, the demo was superb and i cant wait for the full version. As for Platform Game Designer i've used that a ton and its excellent.

    How many titles have you got from Cronosoft ? Just interested on how many and what ones you didnt like to get this view

    But a lot of it is just to do with the fact that we've grown up. Back in those days i used to rush back with the latest game i got, i was so excited checking the post trying to find out when the game i ordered from a mail order company had arrived etc.

    Now so many years on i like trying new Speccy games but i'm not blown away or checking email every 5 secs to get the file. Same with tv, years ago i used to love Dr Who, now i watch it and i'm not a fan at all as it just doesnt interest me. Same with so many things.

    The Speccy games being produced are very good but its just a totally different era at the moment so you cant expect to get totally blown away as you might have done 20 years ago when you saw Knight Lore for the first time. New games still coming out though is excellent.

    [ This Message was edited by: psj3809 on 2005-05-31 11:27 ]

    Good stuff. I don't dispute that some of the new games are at least the equal of the best oldies. It's purely psychological with me, I guess.

    New "star wars" films, no thanks. Too new fangled. New Dr Who, niet commrade. Too half baked. New pop record sampling an 80's classic. I think not.

    Guess I'll stick with living in the past.

    I have more to say in reply but time has caught me up.
  • edited May 2005
    that last reply was so 2003
  • edited May 2005
    Well I think its wonderful to see a machine that not only set my feet on the path of computing but which, through its software, deeply influenced my psyche, enjoying a powerful and much deserved comeback. Despite awesome graphics the software of today, given the vast capabilities of today's machines, simply isn't up to the same innovative level. Tir Na Nog, Doomdark's revenge, Gyron, Quazatron, Highway Encounter and Knight Lore were all amazingly original efforts that squeezed quarts into pint pots - well, gallons into thimbles, I say. Long live the Spectrum and its new games!
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  • edited May 2005
    I think that there will always be room for new speccy games as long as there is a market for them. I'm a firm beliver in that the speccy could do almost anything that you care to throw at it. The demo of Doom shows MUCH of what can be done if the programer(s) have the will to sucseed.

    It's also a great thing that sites like WoS are allowing us to replay those games that have long since "given up the ghost" on tape. I have well over 12 years worth of tapes still in my collection, but the years have not been kind to many of them and they are refusing point blank to load now. Sites like this allow people like myself to relive fond gaming memories and also new players to experience the "golden age of gaming"

    New games are a real credit to the scene and to the memory of the speccy. As long as people are prepared to program new games and sites like this continue to allow us the privilige of reliving our memories (in a relitivly pain free way...no more waiting 10 mins for a game to crash just as it stops loading...!!)then the speccy will never die!

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  • edited June 2005
    I hope Jonathan Caudwell or Cronosoft arent too put out by a thread like this.

    As with most things when people have a problem or dont like something they say something, when people like something then they dont always say anything about it.

    I think many more people enjoy the games they create/produce than the people who dont.

    At the cheap prices you pay for their games i cant see how many people dont like them. Still thinks PGD is one of the best games/utility i have ever got for the Speccy, having a ton of time using that. Well worth it.
  • edited June 2005
    I'm working on a typical dutch cardgame.

    Not typical new, but the Spectrum version from the 80's is MIA and probably in BASIC.

    Further more I still have a "Carrera racetrack simulator" half finished.

    I also need to built some ZX-PC Interfaces

    and my wife and daughter want some attention as well.

    My biggest problem is at the moment
    TIMEMANAGEMENT!
    (perhaps an idea for a game???)


  • i love the idea of new speccy games, but i suppose the fact people might be nostalgic for the old games might make it harder to like completely new ones, like if you'd expect to love it on a level as the old games even though its really impossible because you won't have the childhood memory associated with it.

    i think its great people are out there wanting to do new things for the speccy, though i get abit suspicious when i hear of them being ported to other platforms for relatively high prices. the problem is that while the technology/market is small i suppose the price would have to be high to cover costs as nothing is in bulk.

    i keep meaning to get PGD actually, looking forward to making my own games!
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