Conceptual differences between Speccy and modern PC
What are them? Here I mean not much faster, more bit CPU, bigger and faster hard disks etc.
1: Speccy is keyboard computer, PC has separated keyboard
2: PC is modular concepted, can be built from parts from different manufacturers, unlike Spectrum
Some better examples?
1: Speccy is keyboard computer, PC has separated keyboard
2: PC is modular concepted, can be built from parts from different manufacturers, unlike Spectrum
Some better examples?
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It's tricky to compare the machines conceptually as the ZX Spectrum, in all of it's forms, are fairly similar beasts, but the PC has become more and more diverse.
Hmm. I'm not sure I made any sense there.
I agree that it's an odd thing to try and work out tho', especially when the main differences are ruled out for discussion.
[ This Message was edited by: icabod on 2005-12-01 17:17 ]
Lol. Maybe a different forum altogether?
I will start the suggestions...
http://www.lemon64.com/
:)
How can you compare a PC with a Spectrum on any level?
That's something which can be compared (in a way) because the Speccy had that part "hardcoded" into it while a PC can only emulate it.
Maybe there is some money to be made* in making a videocard for the PC which supports lotsa RAM, lotsa polygons per seconds, lotsa 3D, smoother than a baby's butt refresh/framerate ... and ... only 2 colours per 8x8 pixels.
Skarpo
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*NOT!
The Spectrum accepts input from some source (keyboard / joystick / mouse / storage device / network via Interface 1 etc); processes that input in some way, and generates some output to some destination (screen / printer / storage device / network, etc).
The modern PC accepts input from some source (keyboard / joystick / mouse / storage device / network / internet etc); processes that input in some way, and generates some output to some destination (screen / printer / storage device / network / internet, etc).
As a concept, they are identical. The descriptive term that we use for devices such as these is "computer".
*Lesson over*
What about laptops? I am pretty sure that they come with a built-in keyboard and in just about 100% cases they also have a built-in screen/monitor. Most, if not all, even come equipped with a very fancy stereophonic bleeper.
Skarpo
:)
OK. You hate me obviously. You complain against my posts with complete wrong attitude, you don't care about this technical issue. But you feel free to shit here like complete asshole. Ask Martijn to ban me from this forum if you think that I'm someone who spoiles this forum. Or better stay away from...
Good point.
Actually I wanted to point that there is almost no difference between 23 years old Speccy and some new PC in architecture concept. I think that biggest diffrence is that, that Speccy has built in Basic and somekind OS, while PC's needs to load it.
So whats your point?
Babbage's Analytical Engine was hand-cranked.
Try implementing that into a PC ... I want to see you keep the clock constant ;)
Skarpo
:)
Thats it.
Before that, computing was a job title.
On the other hand, a modern PC probably includes more code before booting than could ever fit into a Spectrum's RAM.
Personally, don't understand why your topic seemed to receive somewhat negative(?) response. I mean, to say that the Spectrum and the PC are conceptually the same somehow sounds like an exaggerated generalization, if not technically then on some other levels. Someone wiser might want to analyze this further.
SpecMem
You'd be better comparing a Speccy to the first common PC's (IBM's 'off the shelf' PC). The first X86 based PC's would an easier comparison . Todays PC's are just an expansion of those systems anyway. The main functional differences will be easier to identify looking at a simpler system like an 8086 PC.
PC similar to speccy? Which planet are you on?
Do you mean which elements of the speccy can work like a pc?
I think that you need to brush up on your english, altough its good its not great and I think this is why you get so much flack.
Please take these comments postively
Anyway his replies to me are funny. I just think Borak when i read them. 'can i touch them ?'
I dont hate you Piters just i dont see what you add to this forum. Over in the emulators forum you've ruffled a few feathers by moaning about a feature not fully working or something in an emulator and moaning about that.
Then some newbie arrives asking about what emulator to use, we say Spin or Spectaculator then you moan for people 'advertising' Spectaculator. Then you babble on about we should respect some old emulator or some other rubbish you were on about.
Try and add something to the forum instead of moaning all the time and picking holes on things.
A PC can emulate a ZX, but a ZX can't emulate a PC. Well.
/me waits for someone to write a PC emulator to prove him wrong...
And it is conceptual difference... OK, maybe concept is latin word, not english :)
No doubt MIT can explain how they have done that to you
http://laptop.media.mit.edu/
ADJB
Poor guy? It sounds very underestimating, if not insulting. He asked not about download, but asked recommendation. He asked not which is the best, and therefore I complained about 'advertising' post. He said 'struggling to get any emulator.." - therefore I get freedom to mention 2 old programm, which works well under XP (probably not because of pure luck, but because they are well programmed).
Do you see how you falsche interprete whole thing? How futilely you act?
Yes, first PC's had even built in Basic in ROM, what later went out.
Here is maybe biggest difference: with Speccy (at least in 1983) people get good manual book where many Basic thing is explained beside Basic programming itself. It stays for 'Horizons' tape too. What we get today: manual for MBO, where no word about how it works. It was very good thing by me - for get most out of machine people need to know how it works.
If we remind what is on Horizons tape about architecture of Speccy, we can see that PC is practically same even today.
I'm sure that most of people who visits this forum uses own PC to go online. How many is aware about it that we have not much evolved in last 23 years? Unfortunately in some things we evolved back.
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[ This Message was edited by: piters on 2005-12-02 13:19 ]
Blimey!
I read that and thought it was maybe last years April Fools but then further research into this lead me here:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB113193305149696140-442o71jo_IlBrLpyUeeOdsqDs7E_20061113.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top
It's a noble idea to put a rugged, affordable and a "sensible" computer into the hands of a child
...
but I just can't get over that huge crank on the side ;)
Skarpo
:)
I did love this binder style book for the old Speccy. Plus at the time it had that brand new smell as well !
For PC's nowadays (just like most games) even if you did get a good manual you would hardly look at it. However i do love that 'brand new' smell you get from brand new manuals though !
I like this topic. Why every topic should be so serious???!!!! This is miscellanous area anyway... and this topic is even spectrum related! It?s good that someone likes to bring topic where people must think longer than just one second before they know the answer. But probably people are too lazy and dull... "using brains is no fun..." 5:o/