If Peter Sutcliffe or Myra Hyndly had commited their crimes 20 years later they would be free by now. How long will Ian Huntly be locked up for?
Punishments today are a joke. Jails are soft - taking aside being locked up, criminals may as well be in hotels.
If you want to kill someone, just drive a dodgy car at them. You will lose your license & get a fine as long as it looks like an accident. Stab them & be free in a couple of years.
So the jails are full. How many people in jail are there for stupid reasons? Not paying council tax? Is that a reason to send someone to jail when people that really should be locked up are walking the streets?
Like I said, I'm in favour of capital punishment. Unfortunatley there isn't even an alternative at the moment.
On 2005-11-22 16:45, Skarpo wrote:
Do go on ... sounds like you are on (to) something.
Skarpo :)
I see you haven't visited the UK lately. Do the cops where you live wear flak jackets as part of their regular uniform?
I believe that they wear bulletproof vests*
Skarpo :)
*Don't honestly know what the difference is between a flak jacket and a bulletproof vest** ... maybe one goes better with the guns and pepperspray holders than the other?
**I do know they are bulky though, it's weird seeing a cop up close and personal with those things on ... kind of reminds me of the Strogg from Quake.
Flak Jackets are designed to absorb Flak reducing injury from these odd-shaped metal fragments that are thrown out when something explodes.
Flak jackets are not bullet proof, except to the smallest calibre bullets.Even if they stop a bullet the shock effect would cause serious damage still.
Bullet resistant vests are made to various degrees/levels most would stop a 9mm standard round, some with the addition of hardened plates are able to stop larger, high velocity rounds.
These vests are not always knife proof.
For that you need a stab vest.
I heard a myth about a guy who went into a hunting shop in the US with his pride and joy 'bullet proof' vest.He was bragging about its security and wanted the shop owner to fire an arrow from a compound bow at his chest while wearing his vest.
The shop owner refused, saying the vest would not stop an arrow at all.After much banter the bowman made him take off the vest and strapped it around a hay target.
When he fired, the arrow passed easily through the vest leaving the man pale and dumbstruck.
Guns are stupid.As are the owners sometimes HAHA
Sod britain, bring on the EU. Most Euros have a better standard of living than us.
Ummm, are you Draco of Sparta? Shall we start hanging people for stealing loaves? Nah. Some of the worlds biggest criminals are at the top of the tree.
We seem to be becoming a increasingly submissive country, cowering down to the politically correct brigade, the human rights lot and other religious groups.
It seems that these days living in our compensation culture the law seems to be more on the side of the criminal rather than the honest law abiding citizen.
Ditch the Human rights act, tell Brussels to F**k off, give parents back the right to smack their kids, bring back the slipper at school and make criminal sentances fit the crime rather than be an insult to the victims.
No kick the London twats that never do anything for anybody outside the south of England. Get in the Euros who treat their people with some semblance of respect.
Those at the top. They are the true criminals. Greedy business types. Arch-criminals to a man.
Andrew Owen speaks stunning sense throughout this thread.
The death penalty? Rose West would beg for it.
I don't believe in killing people to prove that killing is wrong.
In the US, there is on average a higher crime rate in states with the death penalty than in states that don't have it.
On 2005-11-25 00:06, fogartylee wrote:
An alternative should be that life means life.
If Peter Sutcliffe or Myra Hyndly had commited their crimes 20 years later they would be free by now. How long will Ian Huntly be locked up for?
That's the complete opposite of the truth actually. Let's check some FACTS...
Peter Sutcliffe got a minimum tariff of 30 years back in 1981. Since then, he's been put in Broadmoor. An MP recently complained that Sutcliffe should be put back into a prison, because life in the secure mental hospital is far too pleasant. Rather ironic really, 'cos in Broadmoor he's had his face slashed open more than once, and also been stabbed in both eyes by a fellow psychopath. Sounds just like Butlins, doesn't it?! :p
Dennis Nilsen (killed about 15 blokes and fucked their rotting corpses - he was lonely, bless him) got a minimum tariff of 25 years in 1983 (making him eligible for parole in 2008!).
At the time, these prison sentences were about as severe as they got, reserved for only the worst infamous serial killers. I believe the average time an "average" murderer would spend in jail back then was about 12 years.
However, both of these people will now never be released, because they've since been added to the ever-growing list of "whole-life tariffs" (i.e. life means life).
A man and woman who lived just round the corner from me were jailed this year for a minimum of 30 years (for killing her husband, I think). I can't even remember their names - it didn't make the national news. Long prison sentences for single murders like this are commonplace now.
Oh, and Huntley will serve a minimum of 40 years. I'm sure he'll enjoy every minute of it! :lol:
On 2005-12-03 23:31, Spector wrote:
In the US, there is on average a higher crime rate in states with the death penalty than in states that don't have it.
Indeed. I wonder how many potential murderers have paused a moment before carrying out their evil crime to think to themselves...
(in a country/state with the death penalty) "Hmm, if I kill this person, I could be executed. Life in prison would be no problem at all, I hear it's like a holiday camp. However, I don't want to be executed because that scares me. Therefore, I have come to the rational and considered conclusion that I should not kill this person after all..." :) *puts machete down*
or...
(in a country/state without the death penalty) "Hmm, I might as well kill this person because I'll only have to spend my life in prison as a result. Could be fun! But if they brought back hanging, I wouldn't do it because I'm scared of dying. But seeing as I've got nothing to lose except my liberty... DIE BITCH DIE!! :evil: *slash chop etc*...
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If Peter Sutcliffe or Myra Hyndly had commited their crimes 20 years later they would be free by now. How long will Ian Huntly be locked up for?
Punishments today are a joke. Jails are soft - taking aside being locked up, criminals may as well be in hotels.
If you want to kill someone, just drive a dodgy car at them. You will lose your license & get a fine as long as it looks like an accident. Stab them & be free in a couple of years.
So the jails are full. How many people in jail are there for stupid reasons? Not paying council tax? Is that a reason to send someone to jail when people that really should be locked up are walking the streets?
Like I said, I'm in favour of capital punishment. Unfortunatley there isn't even an alternative at the moment.
Flak Jackets are designed to absorb Flak reducing injury from these odd-shaped metal fragments that are thrown out when something explodes.
Flak jackets are not bullet proof, except to the smallest calibre bullets.Even if they stop a bullet the shock effect would cause serious damage still.
Bullet resistant vests are made to various degrees/levels most would stop a 9mm standard round, some with the addition of hardened plates are able to stop larger, high velocity rounds.
These vests are not always knife proof.
For that you need a stab vest.
I heard a myth about a guy who went into a hunting shop in the US with his pride and joy 'bullet proof' vest.He was bragging about its security and wanted the shop owner to fire an arrow from a compound bow at his chest while wearing his vest.
The shop owner refused, saying the vest would not stop an arrow at all.After much banter the bowman made him take off the vest and strapped it around a hay target.
When he fired, the arrow passed easily through the vest leaving the man pale and dumbstruck.
Guns are stupid.As are the owners sometimes HAHA
Ummm, are you Draco of Sparta? Shall we start hanging people for stealing loaves? Nah. Some of the worlds biggest criminals are at the top of the tree.
It seems that these days living in our compensation culture the law seems to be more on the side of the criminal rather than the honest law abiding citizen.
Ditch the Human rights act, tell Brussels to F**k off, give parents back the right to smack their kids, bring back the slipper at school and make criminal sentances fit the crime rather than be an insult to the victims.
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Those at the top. They are the true criminals. Greedy business types. Arch-criminals to a man.
The death penalty? Rose West would beg for it.
I don't believe in killing people to prove that killing is wrong.
In the US, there is on average a higher crime rate in states with the death penalty than in states that don't have it.
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Peter Sutcliffe got a minimum tariff of 30 years back in 1981. Since then, he's been put in Broadmoor. An MP recently complained that Sutcliffe should be put back into a prison, because life in the secure mental hospital is far too pleasant. Rather ironic really, 'cos in Broadmoor he's had his face slashed open more than once, and also been stabbed in both eyes by a fellow psychopath. Sounds just like Butlins, doesn't it?! :p
Dennis Nilsen (killed about 15 blokes and fucked their rotting corpses - he was lonely, bless him) got a minimum tariff of 25 years in 1983 (making him eligible for parole in 2008!).
At the time, these prison sentences were about as severe as they got, reserved for only the worst infamous serial killers. I believe the average time an "average" murderer would spend in jail back then was about 12 years.
However, both of these people will now never be released, because they've since been added to the ever-growing list of "whole-life tariffs" (i.e. life means life).
A man and woman who lived just round the corner from me were jailed this year for a minimum of 30 years (for killing her husband, I think). I can't even remember their names - it didn't make the national news. Long prison sentences for single murders like this are commonplace now.
Oh, and Huntley will serve a minimum of 40 years. I'm sure he'll enjoy every minute of it! :lol:
(in a country/state with the death penalty)
"Hmm, if I kill this person, I could be executed. Life in prison would be no problem at all, I hear it's like a holiday camp. However, I don't want to be executed because that scares me. Therefore, I have come to the rational and considered conclusion that I should not kill this person after all..." :) *puts machete down*
or...
(in a country/state without the death penalty)
"Hmm, I might as well kill this person because I'll only have to spend my life in prison as a result. Could be fun! But if they brought back hanging, I wouldn't do it because I'm scared of dying. But seeing as I've got nothing to lose except my liberty... DIE BITCH DIE!! :evil: *slash chop etc*...
Doesn't quite work like that, does it? ;)