Mr Kizza pm'd me and told me that he has provided evidence in the form of screenshots on the forum somewhere but refuses to give me the link to it!!!
Oh, and he and some "others" are laughing and talking about how sad we are on another forum he frequents.
We are all sad losers for pointing out his lil fibs :D
Hah What a genius. Dont post the "proof" on the thread where he's being called a liar. Dont post a link to the "proof" to any of the people calling you a liar. Then sit back and wonder why noone believes you. :)
Fact is... He hasn't posted anything of the sort , as a quick look at his forum post history shows. Most of his posts (and I'm keeping an eye on him , waiting for the next mention of his illustrious career) have been short and rather sheepish since he got rumbled.
And his profile entry for his AIM address now says "WOS are nerds"... I'm almost hurt ! :D
You know I bet Mr. Kizza even has listed all his gaming masterpieces on his CV as well.
Liars always trip themselves up at somepoint. They always get caught out in the end. So the moral is don't tell porky pies coz you'll go straight to hell.
And that photo is class, I don't think the dude in the black t shirt is suicidal I just think he's farted and followed through.
And how dare he nick my birthday the BASTARD
Reading this thread reminds me of a song by Alexander O'niel called "Fake" :lol:
You can find ol' Kizza's antics in this thread in the JSII forums (funnily enough, started by that Thomas Holzer guy who was getting a kicking at the end of the infamous AtariAge thread.) What's absolutely hilarious is that (judging by his last post so far in the thread) the poor bastards on JSII appear to have made ol' Kizza a moderator! :lol:
Funnily enough, the more I read his crap the more I start to think of another of Duncan MacDonald's creations - Colin Culk.
"Alright, it's old Kizza 'ere innit? Jus' finishin' off me old 128k version of Steve Davis Snooker on the ol' Spectrum an' that. An' then after that I'll be doin' an old Advanced Lawnmower Sim jobbie before I go down the Dole Office an' that."
You can find ol' Kizza's antics in this thread in the JSII forums (funnily enough, started by that Thomas Holzer guy who was getting a kicking at the end of the infamous AtariAge thread.) What's absolutely hilarious is that (judging by his last post so far in the thread) the poor bastards on JSII appear to have made ol' Kizza a moderator! :lol:
Funnily enough, the more I read his crap the more I start to think of another of Duncan MacDonald's creations - Colin Culk.
"Alright, it's old Kizza 'ere innit? Jus' finishin' off me old 128k version of Steve Davis Snooker on the ol' Spectrum an' that. An' then after that I'll be doin' an old Advanced Lawnmower Sim jobbie before I go down the Dole Office an' that."
It doesn't say much for their forums if he's been made moderator without the owner checking what's been said on the AA forums. Sounds like a place to avoid.
Sorry to have to contact you like this , but on belalf of almost all the World of Spectrum Community , and plenty of the Atari Age members , I think you should be filled in as to some of the details in regards to the Incident Mr Kizza is talking about (before he pulls down my post in reply to your question as to "where it all started"... notice he didn't answer you himself ?)
to have written a series of games for the ZX spectrum. As you will see if you follow the thread he got himself CAUGHT OUT... full stop. Basicly a WOS member (who knows his shit) pulled him up and that brought about the attention of other Spectrum community members .When perfectly reasonable questions were asked he resorted to calling all of his detractors "trolls". The only insults in that thread came from him , and as a consequence its not much of a surprise if some of the AA mods consider his presence on that forum to be .. well.... a bit of a joke really.
"Cybergoth" may not be the most tactful of mods... but he's sure as hell accurate.
As for "insulting" PM's he's getting... well fraid I haven't a clue who these are from ( other pissed off AA members who have listened to his BS over countless months and are now a bit upset to know he was taking them all for fools perhaps? ) but I can assure you they are NOT from the WOS community.Noone condones that sort of thing but frankly I doubt they even exist. The thread itself shows that noone has commented on the matter in weeks now, and although we are still giggling about it on our own forum, its no more than a funny gag now.
That is untill someone spotted he's still bitching about it all on your forum, and calling us all "trolls" (do like that word) again and frankly doing his best to distort the situation to imply he's some sort of victim. So with that in mind I decided to post a quick reply on your site and be at least 10% of the troll I have been called by our friend so many time before.
Anyway.. before you decide.. read the thread at least. See exactly whos "insulting" who , whos avoiding questions ,who changing profile entrys ,insulting the intelligence of its readers, and getting the kind of treatment they honestly deserve.
Then rethink his Mod status...?
All the best
Steve Davis :P
PS: Like the forum... lurked for many a month :)
Am I a bad schoolboy or what ? :) Probably nothing will come of it... but for that post in JSII the Kizza can live with knowing a few more of the oblivious are now a shade closer to the wise in regards to him .
Steve Davis is (I think) a JSII username for a WOS (probably also AA) user (Sard?).
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
We really need a :roflmao: smiley for that one!
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Oh, no. Every time you turn up something monumental and terrible happens.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
Just thought I'd register here and post my tuppenceworth - although both Sard and Lee have already said pretty much all that needs to be said.
Keiren made mention, in a thread on Atari Age that I'm sure you've all read through by now, that he'd written a few Spectrum games, including (initially) the implication that one of them was Steve Davis Snooker (which was actually written by a very well known Speccy programmer called Mike Lamb). I was intrigued by this, especially considering that the DOB in his profile page was listed as 1977, and SDS came out in 1984. When I queried this he changed his DOB to 1971 and implied I couldn't read properly - so I pulled up the Google cache page of his profile (showing the 1977 DOB) and posted it.
And it was pretty much downhill from there.
He then changed his tune and stated he'd done a 128k update to SDS (which doesn't exist anywhere) and also stated he'd written Advanced Lawnmower Simulator - a spoof game that was given away on a Your Sinclair covertape and was actually written by an extremely talented and funny writer by the name of Duncan MacDonald. He also stated that he'd had some games published by budget labels and also yet more games put on magazine covertapes, as well as saying he'd done some work for Durell Software, who pulled out of the Speccy market in 1987, when Keiren was 10 (just about the only thing I believe about him is that he was born in 1977).
To date, Keiren has done nothing to prove any of his claims. I started the thread on WoS purely to see if anyone actually knew anything about any of the games he'd claimed to have written. Some games by the same name were found, but all of them had different authors (e.g. Centipod and Forest). When questioned further, Keiren first demanded that we all go and do our own research (which I did and found that he'd been claiming ownership of at least one Atari ST PD program that he didn't write) and then resorted to name calling - at which point he was, quite rightly, given a warning by Cybergoth.
And then it all went quiet for a while, which was fine by me - as long as he didn't bring up the subject again I was happy to let it go. After all, he'd been well and truly exposed on two different forums - surely he wouldn't want to bring up the subject again?
But then he did, over here - acting like the wounded party, and that, frankly is not on at all.
Keiren - what I've said before still stands. I'm a fair minded person and if you actually did write all these games and had them published by budget labels and on magazine covertapes I'll be happy to issue you a full and frank apology not just on Atari Age and WoS, but also here as well, in front of all your friends.
So, post some proof or shut up. But if you think you can carry on bad mouthing me and the other guys at WoS and get away with it - think again.
Seriously, I don?t think Kizza?s done any worse than say, a member of Wos contacting the administrator of this site in private with a little "inside info" on Kizza. That?s below the belt.
You honestly don't think there is a difference between
a) pretending to write other peoples games
or
b) telling somebody about a potential lier on their forum
You honestly don't think there is a difference between
a) pretending to write other peoples games
or
b) telling somebody about a potential lier on their forum
Seriously?
No. Otherwise I would have stated it so.
I know Kizza pretty well, and if there?s anything "murky" about this whole business, he?ll eventually come back and tell you all about it. Trust me.
Thanks. :-)
Been dropping by from time to time, but never took the time to register. Now seemed as good a time as any.
Longtime Spectrum gamer yadda yadda yadda...you know the drill.
Best game on the system is still Starstrike 2 in my book.
To be fair to Sard, he contacted you *only* because Kizza is implying it's the WoS members that are doing the trolling when it's equally apparent that it's the other way around. Also, nothing in Sard's private message appears to be "below the belt" apart from stating facts that are above board and known to everyone on the forums. There's nothing in the message that suggests he's spiced it up specially for your consumption and is meant to be taken at face value for what it is - a note to the moderator on the behaviour of a forum member. That's a fair call IMO.
You, as a moderator have chosen to ignore it, for wotever reasons and that's your call. Guess there's something to be said for loyalty.
No. Otherwise I would have stated it so.
I know Kizza pretty well, and if there?s anything "murky" about this whole business, he?ll eventually come back and tell you all about it. Trust me.
I hope you're right, but I'm wondering if the whole matter hasn't gone too far for that. I mean, there's saving face and there's not actually having any face left to save, and I sincerely believe he's just about at that point right now.
Nonetheless I stand by my pledge to apologise profusely if he proves that he had some Spectrum budget games published, or games that appeared on magazine covertapes, but as of my last look at the thread he'd chosen to ignore my last post and give me links to Atari ST PD stuff instead.
Ho hum. I'm happy to let the matter go if he'd just shut up about it.
Anyway, I'll be off on holiday tomorrow so the rest of this soap opera will have to play out without me I'm afraid.
No. Otherwise I would have stated it so.
I know Kizza pretty well, and if there?s anything "murky" about this whole business, he?ll eventually come back and tell you all about it. Trust me.
We don't need him to tell us the business is murky. We already know it is. He never wrote a game that was commercially published on the Spectrum, he never wrote programs that were on magazine covertapes. He didn't write the 128k version of Steve Davis' Snooker (it doesn't exist) -- he was certainly confused about what language the original game was written in. Several other commercial titles of "his" were written by others.
The links to Atari ST titles he provides were all manufactured after the AA thread caught him out. I'm not disputing he wrote those titles as they look like simple basic programs and some artwork -- but they are a long way from the commercial quality stuff he wrote when he was 7 years old. Surely a 7-year old prodigy like that would have mastered the ST by the age of 12?
I don't think most people care that much about some guy trying to make himself out to be bigger than he is -- that sort of thing is easy to spot by looking at the posts the person puts up. But don't plagiarize. Don't take credit for work someone else has done. That *is* a serious matter. If he continues to plagiarize (and he hasn't since the AA thread) than he should be exposed every time he does it.
His pretence to be a wounded party in all this just gets a few people in a wad. I personally don't care too much.
Since the record has now been set straight and credit goes where credit should, in the end, it all boils down to whether we've been entertained. And indeed I have; hats off mr.kizza!
No I?ll tell you whats below the belt Palmer. Someone continuing to post insults about other people from the saftey of another forum , and then other moderators of the same forum getting all touchy when someone else has the cheek to turn up and relpy ! Or is name calling only allowed oneway on JSII ?
And please... those ST links are a joke , and have NOTHING to do with the questions posed by Malc over at AA. What have they got to do with PUBLISHED ZX SPECTRUM titles exactly ? Sweet FA. Ask him yourself why he changed his date of birth ? Ask him yourself which magazine cover games he?s writen ? Then ask yourself why he evades the questions (which he will)
Fact is , Your good fibbing friend got himself caught out fair and square and has started this business all over again by continuing to shoot his mouth off about us ,over on your forum with the type of name calling that got him reprimanded on AA in the first place. I really cant stand liars , even more so when they continue to make derogatory comments about the people who expose them !
Just recieved a reply from Jay Smith in my email. I wont post it here as I wouldnt want to put him in a position with members of his own forum. Lets just say that he certainly didn?t seem to consider it "below the belt" and thanked me for the info.
Any members of THIS community who wish to see it can PM me though , and ill resend a copy. Makes interesting reading.
It'll fun to see what happens when retro gamer get hold of this.. I already happen to know that an article is being produced for another publication. :lol:
At the end of the day, some people are blinded by loyalty. Some are capable of reading the threads and seeing whats going on.
Atari Age have come out of this looking good & respectable. AJSII are looking more & more like a bunch of put-out children. All thanks to one person...
To be fair to Sard, he contacted you *only* because Kizza is implying it's the WoS members that are doing the trolling when it's equally apparent that it's the other way around. Also, nothing in Sard's private message appears to be "below the belt" apart from stating facts that are above board and known to everyone on the forums. There's nothing in the message that suggests he's spiced it up specially for your consumption and is meant to be taken at face value for what it is - a note to the moderator on the behaviour of a forum member. That's a fair call IMO.
You, as a moderator have chosen to ignore it, for wotever reasons and that's your call. Guess there's something to be said for loyalty.
Sard didn?t send it to me, but to the administrator of JSII, Jason Smith.
I merely mentioned it because it seemed like a somewhat unnecessary move at that particular moment in time.
No I?ll tell you whats below the belt Palmer. Someone continuing to post insults about other people from the saftey of another forum , and then other moderators of the same forum getting all touchy when someone else has the cheek to turn up and relpy ! Or is name calling only allowed oneway on JSII ?
And please... those ST links are a joke , and have NOTHING to do with the questions posed by Malc over at AA. What have they got to do with PUBLISHED ZX SPECTRUM titles exactly ? Sweet FA. Ask him yourself why he changed his date of birth ? Ask him yourself which magazine cover games he?s writen ? Then ask yourself why he evades the questions (which he will)
Fact is , Your good fibbing friend got himself caught out fair and square and has started this business all over again by continuing to shoot his mouth off about us ,over on your forum with the type of name calling that got him reprimanded on AA in the first place. I really cant stand liars , even more so when they continue to make derogatory comments about the people who expose them !
Enjoy WOS :)
Thanks. I?m sure I will. Kizza *WILL* come clean, mind you. This is hardly the end of the world, but we really need to be able to trust what?s being said.
Palmer, I can understand your loyalty, but surely reading the posts, they speak for themselves?
You've joined a forum where many original authors post. How do you think they would feel if they found someone taking credit for their work?
What sort of saddo seeks attention by pretending to have written games 20 years ago? Surely he should be telling people he shagged Britney Spears instead?
Having said that, no one should jump on you for defending a friend. That doesn't happen much these days.. Enjoy your time on WoS - you will find that we are a nice bunch really!
Surely he should be telling people he shagged Britney Spears instead?
I'd just like to point out at this stage that I did shag Britney Spears and she was crap.
For what I can only assume were security reasons, she was putting on an obviously fake Geordie accent, had gained thirty pounds, dyed her hair black and was constantly referring to herself as Tracy.
Palmer, I can understand your loyalty, but surely reading the posts, they speak for themselves?
They do, but I?d still like to hear both sides before passing judgement. This isn?t about loyalty though. They way things panned out the last couple of weeks, and the culmination these past few days, reminded me a bit of putting someone in a pillory and mocking them in public. Some would say he deserved it, others wouldn?t.
You've joined a forum where many original authors post.
WoS and JSII are very similar in that respect, and of course no-one should take credit for something they didn?t do.
Having said that, no one should jump on you for defending a friend. That doesn't happen much these days.. Enjoy your time on WoS - you will find that we are a nice bunch really!
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Oh, and he and some "others" are laughing and talking about how sad we are on another forum he frequents.
We are all sad losers for pointing out his lil fibs :D
Fact is... He hasn't posted anything of the sort , as a quick look at his forum post history shows. Most of his posts (and I'm keeping an eye on him , waiting for the next mention of his illustrious career) have been short and rather sheepish since he got rumbled.
And his profile entry for his AIM address now says "WOS are nerds"... I'm almost hurt ! :D
Perfectly reasonable - I'm now convinced of his honesty :lol:
Trotterwatch, what a great username! That episode of Only Fools and Horses was great (as they are all).
Liars always trip themselves up at somepoint. They always get caught out in the end. So the moral is don't tell porky pies coz you'll go straight to hell.
And that photo is class, I don't think the dude in the black t shirt is suicidal I just think he's farted and followed through.
And how dare he nick my birthday the BASTARD
Reading this thread reminds me of a song by Alexander O'niel called "Fake" :lol:
Funnily enough, the more I read his crap the more I start to think of another of Duncan MacDonald's creations - Colin Culk.
"Alright, it's old Kizza 'ere innit? Jus' finishin' off me old 128k version of Steve Davis Snooker on the ol' Spectrum an' that. An' then after that I'll be doin' an old Advanced Lawnmower Sim jobbie before I go down the Dole Office an' that."
It doesn't say much for their forums if he's been made moderator without the owner checking what's been said on the AA forums. Sounds like a place to avoid.
Oppps Think I've gone and lost my temper ..
http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=93021&st=0&gopid=1131621&
Posted this to JaySmith too... Hopefully he'll see it for what it is :)
Jay Hi
In relation to this thread on your site :)
http://jaysmith2000.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6444&st=0
Sorry to have to contact you like this , but on belalf of almost all the World of Spectrum Community , and plenty of the Atari Age members , I think you should be filled in as to some of the details in regards to the Incident Mr Kizza is talking about (before he pulls down my post in reply to your question as to "where it all started"... notice he didn't answer you himself ?)
1) Mr K claims in this thread
http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=91776&st=25
to have written a series of games for the ZX spectrum. As you will see if you follow the thread he got himself CAUGHT OUT... full stop. Basicly a WOS member (who knows his shit) pulled him up and that brought about the attention of other Spectrum community members .When perfectly reasonable questions were asked he resorted to calling all of his detractors "trolls". The only insults in that thread came from him , and as a consequence its not much of a surprise if some of the AA mods consider his presence on that forum to be .. well.... a bit of a joke really.
"Cybergoth" may not be the most tactful of mods... but he's sure as hell accurate.
As for "insulting" PM's he's getting... well fraid I haven't a clue who these are from ( other pissed off AA members who have listened to his BS over countless months and are now a bit upset to know he was taking them all for fools perhaps? ) but I can assure you they are NOT from the WOS community.Noone condones that sort of thing but frankly I doubt they even exist. The thread itself shows that noone has commented on the matter in weeks now, and although we are still giggling about it on our own forum, its no more than a funny gag now.
That is untill someone spotted he's still bitching about it all on your forum, and calling us all "trolls" (do like that word) again and frankly doing his best to distort the situation to imply he's some sort of victim. So with that in mind I decided to post a quick reply on your site and be at least 10% of the troll I have been called by our friend so many time before.
Anyway.. before you decide.. read the thread at least. See exactly whos "insulting" who , whos avoiding questions ,who changing profile entrys ,insulting the intelligence of its readers, and getting the kind of treatment they honestly deserve.
Then rethink his Mod status...?
All the best
Steve Davis :P
PS: Like the forum... lurked for many a month :)
Am I a bad schoolboy or what ? :) Probably nothing will come of it... but for that post in JSII the Kizza can live with knowing a few more of the oblivious are now a shade closer to the wise in regards to him .
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
We really need a :roflmao: smiley for that one!
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I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP
Yep. That?s hilarious.
You honestly don't think there is a difference between
a) pretending to write other peoples games
or
b) telling somebody about a potential lier on their forum
Seriously?
No. Otherwise I would have stated it so.
I know Kizza pretty well, and if there?s anything "murky" about this whole business, he?ll eventually come back and tell you all about it. Trust me.
I'm not bothered, just find the whole thing a bit funny.
Oh and welcome to the WOS Forum!
Been dropping by from time to time, but never took the time to register. Now seemed as good a time as any.
Longtime Spectrum gamer yadda yadda yadda...you know the drill.
Best game on the system is still Starstrike 2 in my book.
You, as a moderator have chosen to ignore it, for wotever reasons and that's your call. Guess there's something to be said for loyalty.
Bytes:Chuntey - Spectrum tech blog.
I hope you're right, but I'm wondering if the whole matter hasn't gone too far for that. I mean, there's saving face and there's not actually having any face left to save, and I sincerely believe he's just about at that point right now.
Nonetheless I stand by my pledge to apologise profusely if he proves that he had some Spectrum budget games published, or games that appeared on magazine covertapes, but as of my last look at the thread he'd chosen to ignore my last post and give me links to Atari ST PD stuff instead.
Ho hum. I'm happy to let the matter go if he'd just shut up about it.
Anyway, I'll be off on holiday tomorrow so the rest of this soap opera will have to play out without me I'm afraid.
Oh, and welcome to the forums! :-)
We don't need him to tell us the business is murky. We already know it is. He never wrote a game that was commercially published on the Spectrum, he never wrote programs that were on magazine covertapes. He didn't write the 128k version of Steve Davis' Snooker (it doesn't exist) -- he was certainly confused about what language the original game was written in. Several other commercial titles of "his" were written by others.
The links to Atari ST titles he provides were all manufactured after the AA thread caught him out. I'm not disputing he wrote those titles as they look like simple basic programs and some artwork -- but they are a long way from the commercial quality stuff he wrote when he was 7 years old. Surely a 7-year old prodigy like that would have mastered the ST by the age of 12?
I don't think most people care that much about some guy trying to make himself out to be bigger than he is -- that sort of thing is easy to spot by looking at the posts the person puts up. But don't plagiarize. Don't take credit for work someone else has done. That *is* a serious matter. If he continues to plagiarize (and he hasn't since the AA thread) than he should be exposed every time he does it.
His pretence to be a wounded party in all this just gets a few people in a wad. I personally don't care too much.
Since the record has now been set straight and credit goes where credit should, in the end, it all boils down to whether we've been entertained. And indeed I have; hats off mr.kizza!
Write games in C using Z88DK and SP1
No I?ll tell you whats below the belt Palmer. Someone continuing to post insults about other people from the saftey of another forum , and then other moderators of the same forum getting all touchy when someone else has the cheek to turn up and relpy ! Or is name calling only allowed oneway on JSII ?
And please... those ST links are a joke , and have NOTHING to do with the questions posed by Malc over at AA. What have they got to do with PUBLISHED ZX SPECTRUM titles exactly ? Sweet FA. Ask him yourself why he changed his date of birth ? Ask him yourself which magazine cover games he?s writen ? Then ask yourself why he evades the questions (which he will)
Fact is , Your good fibbing friend got himself caught out fair and square and has started this business all over again by continuing to shoot his mouth off about us ,over on your forum with the type of name calling that got him reprimanded on AA in the first place. I really cant stand liars , even more so when they continue to make derogatory comments about the people who expose them !
Enjoy WOS :)
Just recieved a reply from Jay Smith in my email. I wont post it here as I wouldnt want to put him in a position with members of his own forum. Lets just say that he certainly didn?t seem to consider it "below the belt" and thanked me for the info.
Any members of THIS community who wish to see it can PM me though , and ill resend a copy. Makes interesting reading.
At the end of the day, some people are blinded by loyalty. Some are capable of reading the threads and seeing whats going on.
Atari Age have come out of this looking good & respectable. AJSII are looking more & more like a bunch of put-out children. All thanks to one person...
"This is uncanny. You drop in out of nowhere like Elite Viper ships and descend on Kizza like there?s no tomorrow."
:D
Sard didn?t send it to me, but to the administrator of JSII, Jason Smith.
I merely mentioned it because it seemed like a somewhat unnecessary move at that particular moment in time.
Thanks. I?m sure I will. Kizza *WILL* come clean, mind you. This is hardly the end of the world, but we really need to be able to trust what?s being said.
You've joined a forum where many original authors post. How do you think they would feel if they found someone taking credit for their work?
What sort of saddo seeks attention by pretending to have written games 20 years ago? Surely he should be telling people he shagged Britney Spears instead?
Having said that, no one should jump on you for defending a friend. That doesn't happen much these days.. Enjoy your time on WoS - you will find that we are a nice bunch really!
I'd just like to point out at this stage that I did shag Britney Spears and she was crap.
For what I can only assume were security reasons, she was putting on an obviously fake Geordie accent, had gained thirty pounds, dyed her hair black and was constantly referring to herself as Tracy.
They do, but I?d still like to hear both sides before passing judgement. This isn?t about loyalty though. They way things panned out the last couple of weeks, and the culmination these past few days, reminded me a bit of putting someone in a pillory and mocking them in public. Some would say he deserved it, others wouldn?t.
WoS and JSII are very similar in that respect, and of course no-one should take credit for something they didn?t do.
I?m sure you are. :smile: