Incidentally, despite the initial joking tone to this thread I'm pleased to see some intelligent discussion of HP for once on this forum, not just the usual egomaniacs saying that because they personally don't like the books, nobody else (or no other adult at any rate) should be allowed to do so either. If that attitude were to prevail, everything would be banned, and then where would we be?
Well said, a lot of people post comments on books/tv/films here that they enjoy and I think are crap. But I don't thinks it's my job to rip the p**s out of things they have a passion about though. It's actually been quite nice to hear some peoples opinions of what they think will happen in the final book.
And I'd like to dismiss another item of nonsense about these books that I've seen spouted on Sinclair forums, by people who ought to know better: the "plagiarism" bollocks. J. K. Rowling writes about fantastical situations in exactly the same way as all other fantasy authors, past and present (including the great god Tolkein), namely by drawing on the folklore of various lands; but when Tolkein did it it was "research", whereas when Rowling does it she's "stealing Tolkein's ideas". :x Rubbish: the idea (for instance) of a magic ring, or cloak, or Tarnhelm or whatever, which gives special powers (usually invisibility), is common to the folk tales of many lands; Tolkein didn't invent that idea, any more than Wagner did when he used it a hundred years before Tolkein did.
I don't know if you've ever read any of David Eddings fantasy novels but his first two series of books are very good (Belgariad and Mallorean). Anyway, a few years later he wrote a book called The Rivan Codex which basically chronicled all of the ideas he and his wife came up with for the various races/locations/characters/etc used in the stories. It was more or less a "how to" of writing fantasy. He points out that just about every fantasy story is based around the all powerful x item. He freely admits to using a lot of Tolkiens ideas and as you rightly say Tolkien didn't invent most of them, he just made a bloody brilliant book(s) from the ideals.
Cloaks - they are both different. In LOTR, the cloak is used to blend in with the landscape ie a rock while in HP, it was pure invisibility.
No; the analogy (and specific "plagiarism" allegation, by someone who IMO should have known better) I had in mind was between Rowling's cloak and Tolkein's ring, both of which grant invisibility; because of this, I've seen it claimed (on this very forum IIRC) that Rowling "stole" "Tolkein's" idea.
I never make misteaksmistrakesmisyaleserrurs — oh, sod it.
So if I used an idea that a pair of socks could grant invisibility
Yeah ,but lets be honest Zero. If they were MY socks , whats the point of them making you invisible when people could smell you coming three and a half miles away ? :lol:
Dont mind Harry (kids love im) but the "His Dark Materials" books are alot better IMHO. Cant wait for the films :)
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I found myself wanting the bad guys to win.
I'm not a big fan of Potter. I'm sure it's very magical if you're about 10 years old.
i think the films are alright.
So if you are reading this Mrs Rowling can you incorporate these elements into the next book.
I suggest a name like:
Harry Potter and the Flute of Sherbert
or
Harry Potter and the Sinful Threesome
etc..
If you use any of these titles, I will sue you for all you are worth..
(Approx ?68 billion pounds)
its so obvious.
harry potter is jack ryan
hermione is marko ramius
lord voldemort in tupolov
dumbledore is admiral greer
ron weasley is bart mancuso
hogwarts is meant to be CIA headquarters.
i'm suprised he hasn't sued her ass yet.
Well said, a lot of people post comments on books/tv/films here that they enjoy and I think are crap. But I don't thinks it's my job to rip the p**s out of things they have a passion about though. It's actually been quite nice to hear some peoples opinions of what they think will happen in the final book.
I've been intending to read this book for years but never got around to it. I've just put a bid in on eBay so hopefully I'll get that!
I don't know if you've ever read any of David Eddings fantasy novels but his first two series of books are very good (Belgariad and Mallorean). Anyway, a few years later he wrote a book called The Rivan Codex which basically chronicled all of the ideas he and his wife came up with for the various races/locations/characters/etc used in the stories. It was more or less a "how to" of writing fantasy. He points out that just about every fantasy story is based around the all powerful x item. He freely admits to using a lot of Tolkiens ideas and as you rightly say Tolkien didn't invent most of them, he just made a bloody brilliant book(s) from the ideals.
No; the analogy (and specific "plagiarism" allegation, by someone who IMO should have known better) I had in mind was between Rowling's cloak and Tolkein's ring, both of which grant invisibility; because of this, I've seen it claimed (on this very forum IIRC) that Rowling "stole" "Tolkein's" idea.
misteaksmistrakesmisyaleserrurs— oh, sod it.Yeah ,but lets be honest Zero. If they were MY socks , whats the point of them making you invisible when people could smell you coming three and a half miles away ? :lol:
Dont mind Harry (kids love im) but the "His Dark Materials" books are alot better IMHO. Cant wait for the films :)
Should I have Hogwarts rebuilt after I destroy it? Should I resurrect Dumbledore?