The only diff as far as I can see is that PS3 is over priced, over hyped and has almost no "killer app" to go with the console. It will take a year at least for the PS3 to finds its feet.
The Wii on the other hand is priced right, is aimed at the family market for the most part (which will help in xmas sales), has made all the right noises esp regarding the controller and, more importantly, has games that actually work well with the controller. Wii has hit the ground running.
In my book, that's round 1 to the Wii. In the long run, PS 3 may well turn the tables especially as developers finally get around to using all the massive power to actually create an innovative game. The Xbox360 is already reaping the benefits of having been around for a year and will have some really exciting games available in the coming year. The next year well could be the year of the 360. No kidding.
Well let's hope so. I wouldn't be without my 360 now, it's got some really great games for it, the online aspect is brilliant and there looks like some killer apps coming out soon.
The Wii in a very short space of time has become I think this Christmas's must have. Shops can't get enough of them in apparently. My local Asda had people camping at 9.30 in the evening on Tuesday ready for the 100-odd shipment due on Wednesday.
PS3, I think in the long run it will become the most successful of the 3 but I really hope it doesn't. All they seem to have done is copy the 360 blueprint but give it a bit more horsepower. And for all the supposed gimmickyness of the Wii controller I think the tilt control of the PS3 will be used in the first year and then ditched by just about every developer much like the pressure sensitive buttons of the PS2 pad was. I've nothing particulary against Sony, I've owned all three consoles (1,2,psp) and they've been great, I just think it's time for another manufacturer to sit on top again. And it's got to be said, PS3 is just simply too expensive. You could purchase a 360 and a Wii almost for 450 quid.
I don't know why but the Wii has been the only machine I've ever got on launch day. The last time I was this excited about the possibilities on a computer or console was when I got my Spectrum. :)
I played on a PS3 while I was in Hull today. It was in CEX and it had Ridge Racer on it. I didn't really think much of it at all. The graphics were nothing that the 360 can't do and it played like every other RR game out there. OK, so it was probably not the best of choices to be demo-ing, but i just felt underwhelmed. The HD display was quite poor too, but that could have been down to the TV they were using being crap. I never got to use the new controller though, just the normal PS2 ones, so I couldn't tell what that was like. I'll probably get one at some point, but not untill it has dropped by at least ?100 and has some decent games out for it!
Except the new controllers have the axis sensors and don't have the vibrator inside.
And there's no cable. Apparently there's no PS1/2 controller socket on the PS3 either which is a bad idea as you now can't use the PS1/2 "novelty" controllers like the buzzer on Buzz, the guitar for whatever-the-game-is-called, etc.
Oh, no. Every time you turn up something monumental and terrible happens.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
Buzz may work as the controllers plug into the USB socket of the PS2, not the normal controller socket (I've not seen anything to confirm or deny this though). I have read that Guitar Hero definitely does not work.
Are you sure you weren't using the "new controller"? The controllers look exactly like the normal PS2 ones!
Yes, I'm sure. They had the new controller in a display case saying that it was too expensive and as it's wireless, they didn't want some git walking off with it :lol:
Buzz may work as the controllers plug into the USB socket of the PS2, not the normal controller socket (I've not seen anything to confirm or deny this though). I have read that Guitar Hero definitely does not work.
Ah, my mistake. I've only played Buzz once at a mate's. Didn't realise it was USB.
I'm wondering if the light guns will work, I know most of them are USB and composite out.
Oh, and that novelty RE4 chainsaw is now an expensive paperweight for anyone that's got it ;)
Oh, no. Every time you turn up something monumental and terrible happens.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
I've heard a lot of people talk about Ocarina of time, so I'll look out for that one on my N64. Cheers. :)
It convinced me to get a N64. I was visiting my sisters and my nephew was addicted to the game, once I got a go I was hooked. As soon as I got back home, bought the game and a second hand N64.
the new nintendo looks just like every new nintendo console they put out in the past 20 years... always with some new trick that no one will eventually play
NES had the 4 player comand compability but how many games could you play with 4 players? (and how many times did you have 4 willing players at your house?)
the Super NES when it came out camed with th SUPER SCOPE (that mad SEGA create a similar gun for GENESIS) which would be ground breaking for video games...but how many games where there ever made for the Super Scope? that I can remember, only the one that camed with the dam bazooka eas any good, other that that there was an impossinle to finish terminator game (I don't know any one who passed first level...) a stupid level from hunt of the red october, and some yoshi game...
I quited nintendo after SNES so I don't really know about nintendo 64 or the other one they made (bastards made a deal for resident evil and thats why I never played RESI ZERO...), but one thing I know, through out the years console makers have tried to push us the idea that games are to be played in group, like a party family event, but the truth is that most os the games are a solo experience...
and most of us if we want to play with more than two players go for the online solution...
personally I don't think the Wii will survive... publishers wont make games specific for the console (have this people learned nothing with the BETA system?)so they'll have to adapt, and eventually in a year or two there wont be that many games for the "ground breaking" control... also with out a online solution?
I'm not Sure PS3 will be the best one around, but it will sure be my bet...
the Super NES when it came out camed with th SUPER SCOPE (that mad SEGA create a similar gun for GENESIS) which would be ground breaking for video games...but how many games where there ever made for the Super Scope? that I can remember, only the one that camed with the dam bazooka eas any good, other that that there was an impossinle to finish terminator game (I don't know any one who passed first level...) a stupid level from hunt of the red october, and some yoshi game...
Excuse me, but a MAJOR selling point of the SNES was Mode 8 that allowed things like Star Fox and Doom.
Just a shame that not a lot of games were avaliable using it.
They were slightly ahead of their time with that one.
Oh, no. Every time you turn up something monumental and terrible happens.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
The Super NES when it came out camed with th SUPER SCOPE (that mad SEGA create a similar gun for GENESIS) which would be ground breaking for video games...but how many games where there ever made for the Super Scope? that I can remember, only the one that camed with the dam bazooka eas any good, other that that there was an impossinle to finish terminator game (I don't know any one who passed first level...) a stupid level from hunt of the red october, and some yoshi game...
The SNES didn't "come out" with the SuperScope at all. It was a crappy (I'll admit that much) addon that came out with just about fuck all software support nearly two years after the SNES's original release. I don't think Nintendo every offered it as anything but a "testing the water" type of peripheral, much like that shitty mouse thingy they did with Mario Paint for the SNES also at around the same time. The MAJOR selling point of the SNES was that it could manipulate backgrounds in the revolutionary Mode 7, which was a mode that could rotate and scale backgrounds (ie, bosses, which had been used as bckgrounds for years) like Sega had been dominating the arcade scene with for over 5 years with Space Harrier, etc.
I quited nintendo after SNES so I don't really know about nintendo 64 or the other one they made (bastards made a deal for resident evil and thats why I never played RESI ZERO...), but one thing I know, through out the years console makers have tried to push us the idea that games are to be played in group, like a party family event, but the truth is that most os the games are a solo experience...
and most of us if we want to play with more than two players go for the online solution...
(... Ignoring the fact that the N64 and Gamecube produced at the very least 4 of the best "solo" games ever (Mario 64, Ocarina, Metroid Prime and Resident Evil 4))... The Gamecube did attempt a slight push with party games, yes, but no more than PS2 did with the likes of the excellent EyeToy. Nintendo released vastly more one player games than they did "party" games for both the N64 and the Gamecube, both had four joystick ports certainly but not that many used them to their best effect. Certainly the one that sticks in my mind and is also considred one of the best games ever is Goldeneye, another is MarioKart. If you're talking the online solution, if you ignore the PC as it is considered either too expensive or too complicated, then the Xbox (360 and original) wins easily.
personally I don't think the Wii will survive... publishers wont make games specific for the console (have this people learned nothing with the BETA system?)so they'll have to adapt, and eventually in a year or two there wont be that many games for the "ground breaking" control... also with out a online solution?
I'm not Sure PS3 will be the best one around, but it will sure be my bet...
The only next-gen company that hasn't injected any kind of "new system" into their joypad is Microsoft, the 360 pad is simply a "better" version of the original Xbox's. PS3 has Sixaxis, Wii has the remote. As you say, time will tell, and like yourself my money is on the PS3 (but I hope not), but if the last month is anything to go by Sony have got a MAJOR battle on their hands with the Wii. Also don't discount the cost to the average buyer, which through the last two generations has been Sony's prime target. Don't forget, you can get a 360 AND a Wii for just slight more than the cost of what a PS3 will be in Europe. The distinction between 360 and PS3 graphics is not much either, is PS3 going to have anything approaching the grphical prowess of Gears of War in it's first 12 months, I think not.
This is a console war Sony didnt expect, they've tried sheer power and *maybe* that is what will see it through eventually. I think not though, Wii has ably demonstrated that through the launch months it has got Sony by the bollocks. Pure software support is where it's at, and this is where the battle will be won in the end. Wii is getting the huge numbers out there NOW, Sony aren't no matter what they say about their sell out figures.
Oh, and mentioning BetaMax, then read Blu-Ray. Sony got it right with DVD for PS2, it was technology for the times. Blu-Ray is not, a white elephant, or more likelly another SuperScope :-)
This console war, however it ends, is the most interesting of the lot IMO.
personally I don't think the Wii will survive... publishers wont make games specific for the console (have this people learned nothing with the BETA system?)so they'll have to adapt, and eventually in a year or two there wont be that many games for the "ground breaking" control... also with out a online solution?
Right... And according to your logic the Nintendo DS should be an utter failure too then. Which it is not.
well not really but nowadays I mostly just play PES...so I have to follow it wherever it goes (well actually after the first test drives on PES6 I think I just might go back to PES 3 or 4...)
Right... And according to your logic the Nintendo DS should be an utter failure too then. Which it is not.
not really because Nintendo rules on the "pocket console" since the...(what was it called? watch and something games???) I've tried the portable Playstation and all I could get was burning eyes...it's big and unpratical like...GameGear (that was the name of sega game boy wasnt it?)
DS is briliant, just like Game Boy Micro (now that is to me the most briliant pocket console I've ever seen, pratical, good light in the screen, and you can really take it anywhere).
The SNES didn't "come out" with the SuperScope at all. It was a crappy (I'll admit that much) addon that came out with just about fuck all software support nearly two years after the SNES's original release. I don't think Nintendo every offered it as anything but a "testing the water" type of peripheral, much like that shitty mouse thingy they did with Mario Paint for the SNES also at around the same time. The MAJOR selling point of the SNES was that it could manipulate backgrounds in the revolutionary Mode 7, which was a mode that could rotate and scale backgrounds (ie, bosses, which had been used as bckgrounds for years) like Sega had been dominating the arcade scene with for over 5 years with Space Harrier, etc..
well that might be my fault there, I remember receiving the SNES for Christmas...I think it was in 93...that was the christmas SNES came to portugal and I remember them making huge advertising for the scope (well just like they had done for the NES gun I supose...)
(... Ignoring the fact that the N64 and Gamecube produced at the very least 4 of the best "solo" games ever (Mario 64, Ocarina, Metroid Prime and Resident Evil 4))... The Gamecube did attempt a slight push with party games, yes, but no more than PS2 did with the likes of the excellent EyeToy. Nintendo released vastly more one player games than they did "party" games for both the N64 and the Gamecube, both had four joystick ports certainly but not that many used them to their best effect. Certainly the one that sticks in my mind and is also considred one of the best games ever is Goldeneye, another is MarioKart. If you're talking the online solution, if you ignore the PC as it is considered either too expensive or too complicated, then the Xbox (360 and original) wins easily
Eye toy started as a party game, but if you think of the last few "games"(if you can call them) that came out, one was for fitnes program and the other some sort of martial art, there for in a way solo games...I'm not bashing party games, i think quizz is really fun as singstar...but from personal experience and friends experience I always find hard to be with at least 4 persons at the same time that are willing to play a game... my Quizz and SingStar is condemed to be in the box and be used in 2 or 3 parties every year... I just think that a console that is designed mainly for party games is condemned... personally I hope the Wii gets well on it's way and wins this batle, I enjoy much more nintendo than sony...but Nintendo always seems like it's batling allone against every one...
This console war, however it ends, is the most interesting of the lot IMO.
with that I totally agree with you! well have lots of things to talk about with this console war (much better than SNES vs Genesis or Saturn Vs Playstation I...)
not really because Nintendo rules on the "pocket console" since the...(what was it called? watch and something games???)
You mean Game & Watch ;)
I've tried the portable Playstation and all I could get was burning eyes...it's big and unpratical like...GameGear (that was the name of sega game boy wasnt it?)
Okay, so the GameGear was big and unpractical for on the move, but as a portable console and not a handheld, it ruled the roost. Just a pity it was never marketed that way. It was never really any competition with the GameBoy because of it's size and (lack of) battery life.
DS is briliant, just like Game Boy Micro (now that is to me the most briliant pocket console I've ever seen, pratical, good light in the screen, and you can really take it anywhere).
I'm tempted to get a GBMicro and a GB Advance pretty soon, but I'm leaning more to the GBA due to the connection with the GC. Still, the GBM does look like the perfect handheld. It's also very much like the Game & Watch stuff.
Oh, no. Every time you turn up something monumental and terrible happens.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
I'm tempted to get a GBMicro and a GB Advance pretty soon, but I'm leaning more to the GBA due to the connection with the GC. Still, the GBM does look like the perfect handheld. It's also very much like the Game & Watch stuff.
I was tempted betwen BG micro and Advance, but since I spend way to many hours on cars and trains and plaines due to work, the smalest was eventually the best choice!
and that's it! Game & Watch! some of my best memories of games are still from game and watch, and the best of all is that I found out that there is a Game Boy advance /game boy micro version of all nintendo Game & Watch Games! (has any one played them? is it any good? or at least does it have the same "flavour" of the old game and watch games?in other words, is it worth to buy?
I was tempted betwen BG micro and Advance, but since I spend way to many hours on cars and trains and plaines due to work, the smalest was eventually the best choice!
I already have a GB and a GBC so I have no real excuse to get a GBM, except for the fact that it's Game & Watch retro :-D
I must keep an eye out for the G&W games on the GB though - that'd be so cool!
Oh, no. Every time you turn up something monumental and terrible happens.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
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very R@RE i believe :P
Well let's hope so. I wouldn't be without my 360 now, it's got some really great games for it, the online aspect is brilliant and there looks like some killer apps coming out soon.
The Wii in a very short space of time has become I think this Christmas's must have. Shops can't get enough of them in apparently. My local Asda had people camping at 9.30 in the evening on Tuesday ready for the 100-odd shipment due on Wednesday.
PS3, I think in the long run it will become the most successful of the 3 but I really hope it doesn't. All they seem to have done is copy the 360 blueprint but give it a bit more horsepower. And for all the supposed gimmickyness of the Wii controller I think the tilt control of the PS3 will be used in the first year and then ditched by just about every developer much like the pressure sensitive buttons of the PS2 pad was. I've nothing particulary against Sony, I've owned all three consoles (1,2,psp) and they've been great, I just think it's time for another manufacturer to sit on top again. And it's got to be said, PS3 is just simply too expensive. You could purchase a 360 and a Wii almost for 450 quid.
Are you sure you weren't using the "new controller"? The controllers look exactly like the normal PS2 ones!
Bytes:Chuntey - Spectrum tech blog.
And there's no cable. Apparently there's no PS1/2 controller socket on the PS3 either which is a bad idea as you now can't use the PS1/2 "novelty" controllers like the buzzer on Buzz, the guitar for whatever-the-game-is-called, etc.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP
Yes, I'm sure. They had the new controller in a display case saying that it was too expensive and as it's wireless, they didn't want some git walking off with it :lol:
I'm wondering if the light guns will work, I know most of them are USB and composite out.
Oh, and that novelty RE4 chainsaw is now an expensive paperweight for anyone that's got it ;)
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP
It convinced me to get a N64. I was visiting my sisters and my nephew was addicted to the game, once I got a go I was hooked. As soon as I got back home, bought the game and a second hand N64.
NES had the 4 player comand compability but how many games could you play with 4 players? (and how many times did you have 4 willing players at your house?)
the Super NES when it came out camed with th SUPER SCOPE (that mad SEGA create a similar gun for GENESIS) which would be ground breaking for video games...but how many games where there ever made for the Super Scope? that I can remember, only the one that camed with the dam bazooka eas any good, other that that there was an impossinle to finish terminator game (I don't know any one who passed first level...) a stupid level from hunt of the red october, and some yoshi game...
I quited nintendo after SNES so I don't really know about nintendo 64 or the other one they made (bastards made a deal for resident evil and thats why I never played RESI ZERO...), but one thing I know, through out the years console makers have tried to push us the idea that games are to be played in group, like a party family event, but the truth is that most os the games are a solo experience...
and most of us if we want to play with more than two players go for the online solution...
personally I don't think the Wii will survive... publishers wont make games specific for the console (have this people learned nothing with the BETA system?)so they'll have to adapt, and eventually in a year or two there wont be that many games for the "ground breaking" control... also with out a online solution?
I'm not Sure PS3 will be the best one around, but it will sure be my bet...
Just a shame that not a lot of games were avaliable using it.
They were slightly ahead of their time with that one.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP
The SNES didn't "come out" with the SuperScope at all. It was a crappy (I'll admit that much) addon that came out with just about fuck all software support nearly two years after the SNES's original release. I don't think Nintendo every offered it as anything but a "testing the water" type of peripheral, much like that shitty mouse thingy they did with Mario Paint for the SNES also at around the same time. The MAJOR selling point of the SNES was that it could manipulate backgrounds in the revolutionary Mode 7, which was a mode that could rotate and scale backgrounds (ie, bosses, which had been used as bckgrounds for years) like Sega had been dominating the arcade scene with for over 5 years with Space Harrier, etc.
(... Ignoring the fact that the N64 and Gamecube produced at the very least 4 of the best "solo" games ever (Mario 64, Ocarina, Metroid Prime and Resident Evil 4))... The Gamecube did attempt a slight push with party games, yes, but no more than PS2 did with the likes of the excellent EyeToy. Nintendo released vastly more one player games than they did "party" games for both the N64 and the Gamecube, both had four joystick ports certainly but not that many used them to their best effect. Certainly the one that sticks in my mind and is also considred one of the best games ever is Goldeneye, another is MarioKart. If you're talking the online solution, if you ignore the PC as it is considered either too expensive or too complicated, then the Xbox (360 and original) wins easily.
The only next-gen company that hasn't injected any kind of "new system" into their joypad is Microsoft, the 360 pad is simply a "better" version of the original Xbox's. PS3 has Sixaxis, Wii has the remote. As you say, time will tell, and like yourself my money is on the PS3 (but I hope not), but if the last month is anything to go by Sony have got a MAJOR battle on their hands with the Wii. Also don't discount the cost to the average buyer, which through the last two generations has been Sony's prime target. Don't forget, you can get a 360 AND a Wii for just slight more than the cost of what a PS3 will be in Europe. The distinction between 360 and PS3 graphics is not much either, is PS3 going to have anything approaching the grphical prowess of Gears of War in it's first 12 months, I think not.
This is a console war Sony didnt expect, they've tried sheer power and *maybe* that is what will see it through eventually. I think not though, Wii has ably demonstrated that through the launch months it has got Sony by the bollocks. Pure software support is where it's at, and this is where the battle will be won in the end. Wii is getting the huge numbers out there NOW, Sony aren't no matter what they say about their sell out figures.
Oh, and mentioning BetaMax, then read Blu-Ray. Sony got it right with DVD for PS2, it was technology for the times. Blu-Ray is not, a white elephant, or more likelly another SuperScope :-)
This console war, however it ends, is the most interesting of the lot IMO.
Star Fox used an accelerator chip built into the cart as did Doom.
Sony Fanboy wasn't expecting that:roll:
well not really but nowadays I mostly just play PES...so I have to follow it wherever it goes (well actually after the first test drives on PES6 I think I just might go back to PES 3 or 4...)
not really because Nintendo rules on the "pocket console" since the...(what was it called? watch and something games???) I've tried the portable Playstation and all I could get was burning eyes...it's big and unpratical like...GameGear (that was the name of sega game boy wasnt it?)
DS is briliant, just like Game Boy Micro (now that is to me the most briliant pocket console I've ever seen, pratical, good light in the screen, and you can really take it anywhere).
well that might be my fault there, I remember receiving the SNES for Christmas...I think it was in 93...that was the christmas SNES came to portugal and I remember them making huge advertising for the scope (well just like they had done for the NES gun I supose...)
Eye toy started as a party game, but if you think of the last few "games"(if you can call them) that came out, one was for fitnes program and the other some sort of martial art, there for in a way solo games...I'm not bashing party games, i think quizz is really fun as singstar...but from personal experience and friends experience I always find hard to be with at least 4 persons at the same time that are willing to play a game... my Quizz and SingStar is condemed to be in the box and be used in 2 or 3 parties every year... I just think that a console that is designed mainly for party games is condemned... personally I hope the Wii gets well on it's way and wins this batle, I enjoy much more nintendo than sony...but Nintendo always seems like it's batling allone against every one...
with that I totally agree with you! well have lots of things to talk about with this console war (much better than SNES vs Genesis or Saturn Vs Playstation I...)
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP
I was tempted betwen BG micro and Advance, but since I spend way to many hours on cars and trains and plaines due to work, the smalest was eventually the best choice!
and that's it! Game & Watch! some of my best memories of games are still from game and watch, and the best of all is that I found out that there is a Game Boy advance /game boy micro version of all nintendo Game & Watch Games! (has any one played them? is it any good? or at least does it have the same "flavour" of the old game and watch games?in other words, is it worth to buy?
I must keep an eye out for the G&W games on the GB though - that'd be so cool!
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP