alright mate, i work for the NHS too, but theres no need to attack dekh like that.
Until we can get the public to stop believing that nurses cause plagues, there's every need. "my dad went in, came out with <insert panic of choice here>" basically means that they blame the hospital, despite knowing nothing of how nurses work, nor anything of how an operating theatre works. Most of the MRSA cases are already colonised before they even walk through the door.
We all do our best to keep ourselves clean and our patients safe, so why should the general public get away with not doing the same? And has any of you seen the amount of work that has gone into cleaning up the hospitals? That's just one of the reasons we're so badly in debt.
The amusing thing about these panics in the press is all I can think is "well, duh!". Of course hospitals are full of infections, they are full of infected people FFS! Unless you put the patients in the autoclave, there will always be infections. The best you can do is make it as clean as possible and hope for the best - you're never going to get a place where there's a concentration of people with all sorts of unpleasant infections infection-free. It just ain't possible. Patients demanding antibiotics at every sign of a minor cold doesn't really help either, because the remaining bacteria is that much stronger due to the selective pressures against them by overmedication for things like the common cold.
curmudgeon mode on:
I think the root cause of people being so susceptible to this stuff is the attitude that everything must be almost sterile in the home. Kids not allowed to get dirty etc. How are they going to build a robust immune system if they aren't allowed to get dirty or eat the odd sweet that's fallen on the floor?
The amusing thing about these panics in the press is all I can think is "well, duh!". Of course hospitals are full of infections, they are full of infected people FFS! Unless you put the patients in the autoclave, there will always be infections. The best you can do is make it as clean as possible and hope for the best - you're never going to get a place where there's a concentration of people with all sorts of unpleasant infections infection-free. It just ain't possible. Patients demanding antibiotics at every sign of a minor cold doesn't really help either, because the remaining bacteria is that much stronger due to the selective pressures against them by overmedication for things like the common cold.
curmudgeon mode on:
I think the root cause of people being so susceptible to this stuff is the attitude that everything must be almost sterile in the home. Kids not allowed to get dirty etc. How are they going to build a robust immune system if they aren't allowed to get dirty or eat the odd sweet that's fallen on the floor?
More interestingly, I saw a recent article (probably linked through Fark) that posited maggots as a good remedy for MRSA infections. They ate out the infected flesh and left the healthy flesh. Not applicable to abdominal wounds though - only extremities.
Darent Valley has little spray dispensers in all rooms that I've seen.
Visitors don't, as a rule, use them - from what I've seen.
Darent Valley also has carpets. You can't clean (sterilise) a carpet. I don't understand why they are there.
Hospitals should go back to ristricting visitors to imediate family only, for less time and no sitting on the fing beds.
TBH I'd issue them little shoe covers too.
MRSA has been in hospitals for decades, it was just never reported or even written up on death certificates.
"Me auld mum" used to curse the management 20 years ago for the practice of "orthapaedic borders" : dumping the overflowing orthapaedic patients onto other wards and moving them round the hospital. She'd just get her ward clear of MRSA and they'd dump more infected patients on her.
When she was senior sister on geriatrics she had a set to with management who saw nothing wrong with placing a hep b patient onto her ward - "it'll only infect the weak and infirm" - geriatrics?
She retired at 55 and wouldn't go back even when they offered double the money for half the hours.
Health shouldn't be budgeted and the NHS shouldn't be run by accountants.
Rant rant rant rant.
Cost cutting is also reducing services. Our local hospital Rake Lane is having the maternity unit downgraded. From June, if there is an emergencey during labour an ambulance has to be called when the ambulance arrives the patient will be transferred to either Ashington or the RVI in Newcastle. Is this putting patients at risk to save a few quid?
Rant rant rant...
When the Tories came to power, they blamed Labour for the state of the NHS. For half his term Blair blamed the Tories. Whoever gets in next will blame Blair.
I pay my NI class 2 and class 4 I want a good, well funded NHS and I feel I am entitled to it.
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Until we can get the public to stop believing that nurses cause plagues, there's every need. "my dad went in, came out with <insert panic of choice here>" basically means that they blame the hospital, despite knowing nothing of how nurses work, nor anything of how an operating theatre works. Most of the MRSA cases are already colonised before they even walk through the door.
We all do our best to keep ourselves clean and our patients safe, so why should the general public get away with not doing the same? And has any of you seen the amount of work that has gone into cleaning up the hospitals? That's just one of the reasons we're so badly in debt.
D.
curmudgeon mode on:
I think the root cause of people being so susceptible to this stuff is the attitude that everything must be almost sterile in the home. Kids not allowed to get dirty etc. How are they going to build a robust immune system if they aren't allowed to get dirty or eat the odd sweet that's fallen on the floor?
More interestingly, I saw a recent article (probably linked through Fark) that posited maggots as a good remedy for MRSA infections. They ate out the infected flesh and left the healthy flesh. Not applicable to abdominal wounds though - only extremities.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070503094447.htm
Warning for the squeamish... Nasty picture on that link.
Andrew
Darent Valley has little spray dispensers in all rooms that I've seen.
Visitors don't, as a rule, use them - from what I've seen.
Darent Valley also has carpets. You can't clean (sterilise) a carpet. I don't understand why they are there.
Hospitals should go back to ristricting visitors to imediate family only, for less time and no sitting on the fing beds.
TBH I'd issue them little shoe covers too.
MRSA has been in hospitals for decades, it was just never reported or even written up on death certificates.
"Me auld mum" used to curse the management 20 years ago for the practice of "orthapaedic borders" : dumping the overflowing orthapaedic patients onto other wards and moving them round the hospital. She'd just get her ward clear of MRSA and they'd dump more infected patients on her.
When she was senior sister on geriatrics she had a set to with management who saw nothing wrong with placing a hep b patient onto her ward - "it'll only infect the weak and infirm" - geriatrics?
She retired at 55 and wouldn't go back even when they offered double the money for half the hours.
Health shouldn't be budgeted and the NHS shouldn't be run by accountants.
Rant rant rant rant.
Cost cutting is also reducing services. Our local hospital Rake Lane is having the maternity unit downgraded. From June, if there is an emergencey during labour an ambulance has to be called when the ambulance arrives the patient will be transferred to either Ashington or the RVI in Newcastle. Is this putting patients at risk to save a few quid?
Rant rant rant...
When the Tories came to power, they blamed Labour for the state of the NHS. For half his term Blair blamed the Tories. Whoever gets in next will blame Blair.
I pay my NI class 2 and class 4 I want a good, well funded NHS and I feel I am entitled to it.
Rant rant rant
We're way off topic now :)
You be watching too much Sharpe - maggots, parafin oil and best brown paper.