the bothersome thing about linux

edited June 2007 in Chit chat
I want to install audacity so that I can record sounds and things.
Now this needs wxSomething 2.4 which is the old version that isn't on the site anymore. Well I find an rpm by googling around for a while.
now, the command for installing this rpm produces about two screenfuls of failed dependencies.

Now, I look for package management system called synaptic which - guess what - depends on some of the same packages as does Audacity.

Gaah! What can I do!?
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  • edited June 2007
    does your distro not already have a package manager... I'm sure most of them do
    what distro are you using? is the Audacity package on the Install CDs/website
  • edited June 2007
    For something like audacity, you shouldn't need to download a package. This isn't like the Windows world where you have to hunt down everything separately. It is a different way of thinking with Linux - if you expect to do things the Microsoft way then you're going to get terribly frustrated. Forget everything you know about installing Windows software, for most Linux distros it doesn't apply and will do nothing except set you back. Linux is not Windows. It doesn't work like Windows. The only commonality is that you interact with both Windows and Linux with a mouse and keyboard and monitor. Linux is to Windows as an aeroplane is to a helicopter.

    The vast majority of Linux distros use software repositories instead of standalone packages (the standalone packages exist, but they are all designed to exist as part of a repository - they aren't designed to be installed like you install stuff on Windows, as you have discovered). Installing a repository on any modern Linux distro is easy, it's often just a matter on clicking on a link in the web browser, and choosing the action to install the repo.

    If you're using Fedora, the best way of getting many third party media applications is to add the Livna repository. Just go to http://rpm.livna.org and click on the link that installs the repo. Then all the multimedia applications simply show up under Applications -> Install Software, and you can just search for them and click on the appropriate check box. This will cause the package and all its dependencies to automatically get downloaded and installed. It will also mean that those packages get updated as part of the normal security/bugfix updates. (Or, if you prefer the command line, just 'yum install audacity').

    If you're using Ubuntu, it has a similar system of just being able to add software repositories and choose the app from the GUI installer. I'm not familiar with Ubuntu, though. However, I do know that many repositories of various categories of software also exist for Ubuntu as they do for Fedora and RedHat.

    For the few applications for Linux that aren't in any repository, there is something called Autopackage, which resembles the typical Windows style installer (except that it has the ability to automatically resolve dependencies, so the package doesn't have to contain the kitchen sink).
  • edited June 2007
    Well, as a Linux (Ubuntu, Feisty Fawn 7.04 flavor) lame beginner, I can confirm Audacity installed just fine.
    All I did was go to Applications, then Add/Remove, then I typed Audacity, the program did its dirty deeds and told me it was ready to install. I then clicked OK and it asked for my password. When I gave it and hit ENTER once again, it downloaded something like 8 files, then opened a Terminal window (I instructed it to show all details), and then it said Installed.

    Other than running Audacity I didn't test, but it DID run.

    Cheers 4 me!
  • edited June 2007
    Can't you just use windows?
  • edited June 2007
    Linux works just fine. Thank you.

    As with any other technology or skill, it's something you need to learn. It's not a Fisher-Price, hold-your-hand, I-see-you're-typing-do-you-want-to-write-a-letter type technology.

    I use Unix/Linux everyday.... they are well established, reliable software technologies and they just-work. Windows on the other hand, and most recently 98/2000/XP has been responsible, IMO, for a massive dumbing down of the general IT user.

    10 years ago no-one would have a proble finding a file on their filesystem... and they would know what a A: C: or network drive was. These days unless the user has a file or icon on their desktop... or their work is somewhere other than 'My Documents', they're completely flummoxed.

    I'll sum up the way things are going with recent Windows/OS X users with this one point:

    Where would you type a web address in your browser if you wanted to go to a website?

    A rather alarming percentage of users that I see enter web addresses into the Google 'search' box (or Yahoo, depending on which site they have set as their homepage). This percentage is ever increasing.

    This convention of just wanting to do something, not understanding how the thing works underneath, is also something I see spreading through IT developers - it's more and more high level and people are not bothered about understanding the fundamentals of how things work; without which you have no high-level development languages, operating systems or web browsers!

    Argh! It does my nut in! :lol:
  • edited June 2007
    I successfully installed slapt-get and a frontend for it today.
    can anyone suggest some handy repositories ('specially for finding audacity and so on) to ?put in??
  • edited June 2007
    Winston wrote: »
    Linux is not Windows.

    Surely YM Linux Is Not UniX. :D
    I never make misteaks mistrakes misyales errurs — oh, sod it.
  • edited June 2007
    Linws is not windows
  • edited June 2007
    Linux works just fine. Thank you.

    As with any other technology or skill, it's something you need to learn. It's not a Fisher-Price, hold-your-hand, I-see-you're-typing-do-you-want-to-write-a-letter type technology.

    I use Unix/Linux everyday.... they are well established, reliable software technologies and they just-work. Windows on the other hand, and most recently 98/2000/XP has been responsible, IMO, for a massive dumbing down of the general IT user.

    10 years ago no-one would have a proble finding a file on their filesystem... and they would know what a A: C: or network drive was. These days unless the user has a file or icon on their desktop... or their work is somewhere other than 'My Documents', they're completely flummoxed.

    I'll sum up the way things are going with recent Windows/OS X users with this one point:

    Where would you type a web address in your browser if you wanted to go to a website?

    A rather alarming percentage of users that I see enter web addresses into the Google 'search' box (or Yahoo, depending on which site they have set as their homepage). This percentage is ever increasing.

    This convention of just wanting to do something, not understanding how the thing works underneath, is also something I see spreading through IT developers - it's more and more high level and people are not bothered about understanding the fundamentals of how things work; without which you have no high-level development languages, operating systems or web browsers!

    Argh! It does my nut in! :lol:

    Agreed!

    But I'd rather ask for DOS back than LINSUCKS ... (erm ... lame enough?)
  • edited June 2007
    DOS was bleedin' awful. Give me Amiga Workbench any day of the week...
  • edited June 2007
    monty.mole wrote: »
    DOS was bleedin' awful. Give me Amiga Workbench any day of the week...
    I love the Atari GEM TOS ... what is this "Amiga" you mention?
  • edited June 2007
    That sounds like a load of TOS to me.

    *ahem*

    Just remember the classic IQ test question:
    Fill in the blank:

    Amiga <---> Atari ST

    ZX Spectrum <---> C_______

    :lol:
  • edited June 2007
    Just remember: Unix is user friendly, but it's just choosy about who it calls a friend.
  • edited June 2007
    Linux works just fine. Thank you.

    As with any other technology or skill, it's something you need to learn. It's not a Fisher-Price, hold-your-hand, I-see-you're-typing-do-you-want-to-write-a-letter type technology.

    I use Unix/Linux everyday.... they are well established, reliable software technologies and they just-work. Windows on the other hand, and most recently 98/2000/XP has been responsible, IMO, for a massive dumbing down of the general IT user.

    10 years ago no-one would have a proble finding a file on their filesystem... and they would know what a A: C: or network drive was. These days unless the user has a file or icon on their desktop... or their work is somewhere other than 'My Documents', they're completely flummoxed.

    I'll sum up the way things are going with recent Windows/OS X users with this one point:

    Where would you type a web address in your browser if you wanted to go to a website?

    A rather alarming percentage of users that I see enter web addresses into the Google 'search' box (or Yahoo, depending on which site they have set as their homepage). This percentage is ever increasing.

    This convention of just wanting to do something, not understanding how the thing works underneath, is also something I see spreading through IT developers - it's more and more high level and people are not bothered about understanding the fundamentals of how things work; without which you have no high-level development languages, operating systems or web browsers!

    Argh! It does my nut in! :lol:
    It's a good thing that modern day operating systems (like OS X and Windows) can be used by people who are not technically minded. Just like that cars can be driven by people now who haven't got the slightest notion about the inner workings of a combustion engine. That's the democracy of technology.

    If you prefer to have full control of your operating system, that's fine and Linux will give you that. But moaning about other people who use computers in a less intelligent way than you is just pure elitist.
  • edited June 2007
    My Dad used Linux fine, and he's as computer illiterate as they get. (Indeed, a preconfigured Linux box is probably the safest way to get someone who's computer illiterate online - so they won't catch spyware/other malware merely by browsing a website like you get with IE).

    For the everday tasks non technical users do, Linux works absolutely fine. Remember - these people wouldn't be able to install Windows either - it's just that Windows usually comes pre-installed, and that's why they can use it. If you provide Linux pre-installed with all the usual apps, it's not a problem for them either (indeed, less of a problem because they don't wind up with spyware)
  • edited June 2007
    Winston wrote: »
    Linux is to Windows as an aeroplane is to a helicopter.

    Unless it's Airwolf.
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