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Cyber Punks Unity are the cream at cafe '03

b00mzi11ab00mzi11a
edited August 2003 in Sinclair Miscellaneous
Jeezus - has anyone seen the last two CPU demos at Cafe 2003? (http://www.zxdemo.org).. These guys have got spacey & artistic demos down to a tee.. they could get in the Tate modern with this stuff..
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  • YerzYerz
    edited August 2003
    Sorry for my primitive mind, but I didn't understand if You like the progs or not?
  • b00mzi11ab00mzi11a
    edited August 2003
    Yes I love 'em :D I think they are the spookiest demos I have seen in years.. I like ur and H-PRGS stuff too - but you do kinda mega-demo style things (like ESI :), whereas CPU are more freaky and modern...

    Yeah I notice I use words like Spacey, Modern and Freaky for my descriptions - but that's what they are. They're not beautiful in a Binary Love kind of way, they're pretty cold and hypnotic.. love it!




    [ This Message was edited by: b00mzi11a on 2003-08-27 00:38 ]
  • AmigoAmigo
    edited August 2003
    On 2003-08-27 00:33, b00mzi11a wrote:
    [...]I like ur and H-PRGS stuff too [...]

    Yerz IS Hy-Prgrm :)

    are they that good? ill have to check them out.


  • YerzYerz
    edited August 2003
    Heheh, I didn't have such an intention while asking. ;)

    Actually I'm afraid a bit, because (except old-school which I love) I like new-school demos for ZX.

    But I like demos which can show new ZX possibilities. Yes, they should have good design, but to make demos only for some art vision of creators makes no sense on 8 bit computer, in my humble opinion.

    People can make such things on 16bit and modern machines.

    So when I see that the only good effect was multicolour-rotating-cube, I get to be afraid about future of Speccy demos.

    just a thought anyway.
  • SharopolisSharopolis
    edited August 2003
    I thought both those demos were stunning, really original and unlike anything else you'll see on any retro platform, even modern PC demos seem a bit tame compared to this kind of thing.
    I do like to see the speccy pushed in a technical way, but I think its important to use the its capabilities creatively.
    This is genuine underground minimalist avant guarde techno art and it rocks.
  • b00mzi11ab00mzi11a
    edited August 2003
    My thoughts exactly dear sir :D
  • YerzYerz
    edited August 2003
    Sharopolis:



    >I do like to see the speccy pushed in a technical way, but I think its important to use the >its capabilities creatively.

    That's what I mean - they didn't use Speccy's capabilities at all.
    Maybe I'm overreacting, but such monochrome demos could make people from ZX81 platform. And actually they could make it better, 'cause in better resolution.




    >This is genuine underground minimalist avant guarde techno art and it rocks.

    Well, I agree only with this part of sentence: "This is genuine underground minimalist avant guarde techno art".

    I simply think that 8 bit computer isn't a good plaftorm for such things. But I said it before, so I will not repeat myself.


    Anyway it's only my thoughts, that's all. Everybody has his own opinion of course, and I respect it.
  • Paul van der LaanPaul van der Laan
    edited August 2003
    I've been to quite a number of electronic art festivals and I've seen this sort of stuff done before on C64's, Amigas and other (vintage) hardware. I'm not really impressed with the CPU stuff, but on the other hand I am a warm welcomer of new experiments. Especially in a scene that's overcrowded with demos suffering from a lack of story or concept and merely containing the same cliche special fx and a lot of childish swearing.
  • YerzYerz
    edited August 2003
    I assume the last words are to me, but I'm bored with this level of discussion.

    Why I can write "Everybody has his own opinion of course, and I respect it" and other guy appears and say something like above statement, a suggestion delicate like steam-roller...

    We make everything. Old-school demos for old-school fans (there are such ppl), joke-demos for joke-demos' fans (there are such ppl too), and new-school demos with interesing effects (I always admire Gasman's style) and new ideas.

    Btw, I will always defend childish swearing, hehe. But it's in joke-demos, if somebody doesn't like it, just don't watch them, you will not be bored.

    It's time for joke, for old-school, for new-school... Everyone watch what he likes.

    Anyway I just said I'm concerned with this new trend in Speccy demos. Nothing more. And I STILL AM concerned. maybe they will be better in future, maybe even great.
    But "Dies Irae" demo shows how to mix good coding with great design and cool ideas. And new demos are not as good as mentioned prog, even in a half.

    And private malicious statements will not change it.

    Childish swearer,
    Yerzmyey
  • Paul van der LaanPaul van der Laan
    edited August 2003
    On 2003-08-28 14:43, Yerz wrote:
    I assume the last words are to me, but I'm bored with this level of discussion.

    Don't take it personal, Yerz. It was a remark in general I made about the demo scene. Hooy programs are not all like that. I quite liked Losing Victoria and Pond Life. :)

    [ This Message was edited by: Paul van der Laan on 2003-08-28 15:53 ]
  • YerzYerz
    edited August 2003
    Of course I've never claimed that our joke-demos are good, heheheh - they AREN'T!!
    They suck!!
    That's why I like them. ;)

    But anyway I don't say that alternative art on demo-scene is bad. No, no.
  • b00mzi11ab00mzi11a
    edited August 2003
    childish swearing? A lot of the demos (especially the russian ones) are done by pretty young guys anyways. I remember watching Mat (to later be a member of ESI) demos and seeing him swear a lot, but he was 15 or so when he wrote them. Also, you might have a bit more of a reason to swear if you live in a region like that, much more aggression against life in general :|

    I, of course, don't have this information first hand, so anyone feel free to prove me wrong..
  • YerzYerz
    edited August 2003
    heh, who knows. :)

    but about me, I always say: I'm old bastard, almost 30 years old, I'm a holder of university degree and quite well known musician in my country. :)

    And I feel I'm getting old. Hehehe. So I do everything to make myself feel younger, hehhe. :)

    Therefore I make stupid demos quite often, and I make idiotic Spectrum parties in my home (such a meeting will be next week, even Gasman will come here from UK :) :) :) ).

    Greetz.
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