Fairytale of New York - edited
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7149525.stm
I actually dont mind this 'Xmas' song at all. I cant believe the PC brigade have got their way though. Ridiculous.
Why on earth do people do this ? Millions arent bothered/dont mind the 'offensive' words at all but because of a few Mary Whitehouse fans and also some stupid person who probably wants to do everything PC they've done an edited version.
"The BBC said: "We are playing an edited version because some members of the audience might find it offensive." Yeah some, the ones who are a complete pain to everyone else !
If the Beeb did this from day 1 then i 'might' understand a bit more but when theyve been playing it for yearssssssss without editing, just seems stupid to do it now.
Worlds gone mad !
I actually dont mind this 'Xmas' song at all. I cant believe the PC brigade have got their way though. Ridiculous.
Why on earth do people do this ? Millions arent bothered/dont mind the 'offensive' words at all but because of a few Mary Whitehouse fans and also some stupid person who probably wants to do everything PC they've done an edited version.
"The BBC said: "We are playing an edited version because some members of the audience might find it offensive." Yeah some, the ones who are a complete pain to everyone else !
If the Beeb did this from day 1 then i 'might' understand a bit more but when theyve been playing it for yearssssssss without editing, just seems stupid to do it now.
Worlds gone mad !
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political correctness gone mad
i'm actually getting sick of hearing people say it.
so what if a radio station edits a song, i'm sure its not the first time. And they are allowed to do it if they want. If you want to listen to the un-edited version, go buy the single you fucking cheap-skate bastards, and give poor shane some more beer money.
quote from the site - Dean in Southampton added: "I'm gay and it certainly doesn't offend me. I find it more offensive that the BBC has tampered with this track which hopefully will be number one this Christmas."
its not gonna get to number one if you are listening to it on the radio, now get back on the top of the tree, you fairy. (obviously he wouldn't find that offensive)
Wogan on R2 in the morning, Smooth FM in the evening.
You know it makes sense.
I'm more of a "Today" man on R4 in the mornings, and "PM" driving home from work. Any other time I have the radio on, it's usually R2 though.
I wish R2 hadn't messed with the bedtime schedules - there's now nothing listenable on at that time if you're trying to relax.
Six Music doesn't play the continuous dross that R1/R2 always play. They also have plenty of interesting non-mainstream shows.
Yup! "This next piece of music might be offensive to some. Turn off the radio and come back in 3 minutes" ... I mean if the TV stations have those sort of disclaimers "The pictures you are about to see may disturb some of our viewers" ... then why not also the radio stations.
Baaaaah! Bum-goat-hug!
If it was up to me, rather than be edited, something should be shown/played fully or not at all.
Have you seen the Comedy Channel (in England)? They silence out all swear words, even past nine o'clock. And even really soft words like the American term "ass". You watch scrubs and you see Doctor Cox say "Oh, you [silence] [silence]", to which Dr. Kelso replies "Kiss my [silence], Perry". Ridiculous.
And yet they'll show real, heartbreaking footage of starving children in the third world at any time on the news. They have to, I know, to keep us informed, but it does seem strange that you can show real life tragedy and death, however upsetting, but not swearing or a woman's naked breasts (the most natural things in the world).
It reminds me of the game Duke Nukem 3D, when it was converted to the N64. Nintendo objected to the adult bookstore in level two, so they changed it to a gun shop! So according to Nintendo, a gun shop is morally acceptable, but not a shop selling porn magazines...
Or in GTA 3: San Andreas, where the game considered perfectly acceptable to be sold with all of it's murder, gunplay, deliberately running people over in cars, gang culture (if I was black I'd be offended by the way the game portrayed black people as foul mouthed, mob led, violent sociopaths) - the game sold loads, got lots of great reviews and all of the shops stocked it. Then someone discovered that it contained a sex scene, which was aparently not even accessible without cheating, and then suddenly everyone ws up in arms about the sex scene, presumably because it would corrupt minors! So guns, gang warfare, drive-by shootings, mowing pedestrians down and so on are all acceptable forms of entertainment in a game*, but sex is not?
*I'm not saying that guns, explosions and stuff shouldn't be in games, like most people I can differentiate between reality and make-believe, and I do believe that violent games help you work off stress. I'm just pointing out the (to me) incredible attitude that many people seem to have that violence in entertainment is acceptable, even extreme violence, but something as natural as sex is treated like it MUST-NOT-BE-MENTIONED.
I remember on a forum once (gamefaqs, I think,), someone wrote in asking was there nudity in a certain game, as (he said) his mum was going to buy it for him but she wouldn't if it had nakedness in it. Someone replied by saying that the game didn't have naked woman in it, but did have lots of violence and blood in it. The original poster wrote back saying that his mother didn't mind the guns and blood, but objected to nudity, and someone else then replied (in possibly the most intelligent post ever on gamefaqs) that that attitude was exactly the trouble with America.
The above it paraphrased, but you get the idea.
The phrase is tautological rubbish, as political correctness is insanity anyway. We didn't need PC rules to tell us what words or terms were offensive; those of us who care know anyway, and those who don't care carry on using those terms even now.
And who is stupid enough to consider the terms "black board", "black coffee", "brain storm" etc offensive? And anyone stupid enough to be offended by the colour of the man and woman signs on toilet doors is beneath my notice, frankly.
People being banned, however un-officially, from something because of their colour, their race, their religion etc, now that is wrong, and we don't need the PC morons to point that out to us.
A few years ago, the BBC were aparently considering doing a cartoon version of Billy Bunter, but decided not to, in case it offended fat people with glasses (Bunter is a fat, be-spectacled schoolboy who is lazy, dishonest, stupid and greedy), but I'm fat and wear glasses, but I wouldn't assume that any program with Bunter in it was making the statement that all fat fat people with glasses are lazy, greedy and stupid and dishonest. Well, maybe if I wasn't lazy and greedy I wouldn't be fat, but you get my drift...
I do find it offensive that politicians get peerages when they've done nothing but feather their own nests at the expense of their country, that we have such watered down "comedy" on TV, and that modern music is so bland, but no-one in authority seems to be in a hurry to address these issues.
Incidentally, I'm not "fat" and "shortsighted". I am "of the larger persuasion" and "visually challenged". As though different words make any sort of difference to the way or look or my state of health.
For once we agree!
Books are the same, no censorship there.
Actually, I think it refers to him crashing due to speeding away whilst being his driving ability was impaired by being "high".
In Meat Loaf's "I would Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That)" Steinman was forced to change the line "Sex and drugs and Rock 'n' Roll" to "Sex and drums and Rock 'n' Roll"! I mean, "Sex and drugs and Rock 'n' Roll" is a common, well known saying...
could be cause it would be stupid, there aren't any pictures on the radio :D
But your comment about "If I was black I'd be offended by the way the game portrayed black people as foul mouthed, mob led, violent sociopaths"
But thats the thing, i dont remember any uproar from the black community about that at all. Its like the Fairytale of NY thing, IF they had TONS of stuff from people moaning about its offensive then fair enough, but some big bod has taken it upon himself to make this stupid decision for whatever god knows reason.
If they did this from day 1 then i would think its stupid but its just the Beeb being the Beeb but to do this so many years later, its a joke
changing something from a man to a woman (or some non descript thing) is SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION.
removing the word faggot is DISCRIMINATING ON THE BASIS OF SEXUALITY
they're all DISCRIMINATION
"we'd better be nice to him/her and treat him/her differently cause he/she is a different colour / likes shagging men/women / has no legs"
:x
They should never have moved them from the 10pm weeknight slot in the 90s. That was the *only* time I listened to the radio. Well, apart from when Donnington '92 was on and Aerosmith were headlining (with The Wildhearts and Sepultura on the second stage) and Bruce Dickinson doing all the backstage stuff. None of that was censored (as exampled by Therapy?'s swearfest :lol:)
Oh, and Woodstock '94. Listened to the whole bloody weekend of that so I could get Nine Inch Nails' set. No sleep from friday morning to monday! None of that was censored either (including the song Closer that had "I want to fuck you like an animal" as the chorus).
Anyways, back ot again... Moving MArk and Lard to the afternoon was a bad idea and splitting them up was an even worse idea.
I might still have some of their stuff on tape somewhere. I remember taping Corpus Christie (I think that was their name) when they were on.
Even more ot... I might even buy The Pogues' single. It's the only xmas tune that I like. And it's much better than anything else that's out now. More deserving of the sales than the usual churned out pap.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP
Remember listening back in the 90's thinking how do they get away with that ! I really enjoyed their morning show before that got moved, he always mentioned his local pub the 'Hand Shandy'.
but! but! but!
It captures the TRUE spirit of christmas!!! :razz:
Which is just American TV all over. My main objection with American TV (apart from the fact that it's complete and utter rubbish) is this ridiculous censorship. Take a programme like Hell's Kitchen for example - shown well after the 9pm watershed - in which anything that might potentially offend a 92 year-old Jehova's Witness is censored. Which obviously means that 2 words in every 3 said by Gordon Ramsey is bleeped out, making it completely impossible to follow the show at times. They even obscure his mouth; presumably so as not to offend any 92 year-old Jehova's Witness lip-readers who might be watching! I'm not the world's number one fan of swearing to begin with, but this over-the-top censorship just infuriates me. As people have said, it says a lot about the country that will happily tolerate any sort of violence being shown, and sell guns in Wal-Mart; but get shocked and embarrassed at the word "ass".
I just read the BBC article - there's a bit of lazy journalism here. When dealing with a story that touches upon homosexuality, you *don't* go and ring up Peter Tatchell for an informed and balanced view on the subject.
If this song had just come out and they used the word 'faggot' i can see why it would be banned or played after 9pm. Eg NWA songs they dont really play before the watershed !
Difficult one as to me (and any gay people i know) i dont think of it as a 'rude word towards a homosexual', just think of it as a schoolkid name to call someone.
But again if Tatchell had been moaning about this for the last 20 odd years then perhaps fair enough but suddenly banning the lyric from this song when its been on every music channel for the last 20 xmas's is ridiculous and totally OTT
I used to have a stutter when i was younger, so i may write to the BBC so they ban 'stutter rap' ! (probably no bad thing there !)
what would a ban do?
they can't really play it any less than they do already :)
*grin*
I'm thinking of including it in the Xmas special soundtrack (not *this* Xmas), and I have a serious stammer myself.
Radio 1: Gets more out of touch with their audience day by day. The station is so self-righteous and annoying. I too stopped listening when Mark and Lard left.
Radio 2: In a desperate attempt to flatter it?s audience, by pushing middle of the road yet new pop bands until your sick of them. Right now they seem to be pushing the Hoosiers. See we still got our fingers on the pulse, were still trendy, yep still hip, look were still young, see are youthful. I see straight through it all, it makes me laugh.
What? There is such a thing as "stutter rap" ???
I must lead a very sheltered life when it comes to music ... or maybe this is a new trend not so obvious over here (USA)
Link, please???
Now MTV is terrible, dont think it plays any music on its main channel just tons of kiddie docu soaps.
Radio 1 i used to listen to in its heyday, the morning shows i dont mind but everytime i turn it on in the car in the evening its either some jungle crap or some dance rubbish. Terrible
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7150693.stm
(They previously said they werent going to change their minds)
I'm sure that young audience has heard much, much worse than faggot and slut.
It's always the grannies that are offended.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP
Full Metal Jacket on British cable TV about 10 years ago after 9:00PM changed the classic MF from motherfucker to Maggot farmer, even though you can clearly see the guys mouth saying "motherfucker".
American censorship is even more depressing, they'll show you in graphic detail somebody getting garotted at 9:00AM, but they beep out all the swearing even after 11:00PM (apart from on comedy central, which after 11:00PM is shit anyway.....sorry but once you've seen Chris Rock live once you don't need to see him again). You wanna see tits think again, the only way you're seeing boobs on American TV is if you buy a monthly subscription to HBo or Cinemax. Both of which or extortionate and no better than all the other channels, they just have tits and swearing.
Kill Bill is a prime example none of the violence is cut out of that movie here, but the pussy wagon has been renamed to the party wagon (and the word party badly CG'd over the word pussy on the actual wagon). and buck no longer came here to fuck he came here to "party" (funny thing is as he said party I'm convinced it wasn't even the actors voice saying it).
And for the actual topic title the only word I could see offending people in Fairy Tale of New York would be "Faggot", and something tells me that, in that song it's not intentionally used in the derogatory context it is these days.
First I've ever heard of it being censored though, I've never heard that tune beeped, fuzzed or scratched out, at any time of the day when I've heard it. It's just a shame that after all these years they feel they need to suddenly censor something which apparently didn't used to present a problem.
"We hate our fans, their fucking gay"