Can't believe this F**king Fritzl editorial

edited May 2008 in Chit chat
Some idiot in the Independent has written an extremely misjudged editorial on the Fritzl case:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/deborah-orr/deborah-orr-the-man-that-still-lurked-in-the-monster-818675.html

I posted the following comment in the "Post Your Comment" form a the bottom of the editorial.

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This man was not a guy looking after his family.

To compare Fritzl to "a guy looking after his family", is, I think, insulting to both his extremely traumatised victims and every other normal parent out there attempting to offer his or her children the best upbringing possible.

What a poorly judged editorial. :(
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What's the odds it doesn't get posted up by this time tomorrow?
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  • edited May 2008
    BigBadMick wrote: »
    Some idiot in the Independent has written an extremely misjudged editorial on the Fritzl case:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/deborah-orr/deborah-orr-the-man-that-still-lurked-in-the-monster-818675.html

    I posted the following comment in the "Post Your Comment" form a the bottom of the editorial.

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    This man was not a guy looking after his family.

    To compare Fritzl to "a guy looking after his family", is, I think, insulting to both his extremely traumatised victims and every other normal parent out there attempting to offer his or her children the best upbringing possible.

    What a poorly judged editorial. :(
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    What's the odds it doesn't get posted up by this time tomorrow?


    Don't you think you’re over acting just a wee bit.

    Yes, it was a bit over blown and last paragraph was poorly written and ill thought out. However, overall I think it was an attempt at a balanced look at this sorry saga.

    She was pointing out that sometimes our instinctive paternal nature can override in even the evilest and sickest of minds. That’s all.

    She was not in the slightest sympathising him.

    However, that poorly written just terrible last paragraph will get her in to trouble. It does put an uneasy bias on the article (though I don’t think it was intentional). They should get better writers. Its for reasons like this I don’t buy papers any more.
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  • edited May 2008
    That just seems like another attempt at the overly padded out with big words and amateur psychology the independants stories are always like. It keeps the students that get it for free happy.

    Anyway I think you're totally over reacting, to the point where you'd think the writer had actually turned round and said he was in the right or something.

    Try to remember all stories in the independant are like that, over blown bollocks written by people who think they're being clever and deep, when really it's no better than the sun, it just doesn't have the baps on page 3.

    Still not as relentless as the Jeremy Paxman rant though :p
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  • edited May 2008
    *applauds Scottie's thoughtful post and Boozefreek's further insight into English newspapers and their writers*

    Sometimes on WoS you have to open even an unpromising thread title. There is more to be gleaned from the best few posts here each week than there is by trawling through 100 overblown space filling exercises written for what used to be called 'broadsheet' newspapers by an endless trail of talentless Jocastas and Tristrams.
  • edited May 2008
    I'm glad I'm not alone in finding that any time I've picked up the Independent, I've always thought it to be a bit like a tabloid just with longer words and more flowery language.

    After watching how newspaper journalists treat both aviation and computing, I can't believe they actually report anything correctly.

    However, I do disagree with one of the respondents on the Independent's website who (to paraphrase) says: we shouldn't bother even trying to understand criminals, we should just lock them up and throw away the key. On the contrary - if we can understand why some people go and do some of these bizarre and incredibly destructive things, we might be able to at least - one day - reduce the chances of it happening again. That doesn't mean to say that locking them away isn't also the right thing to do: Mr. Fritzl is a danger to society, and prison keeps people out of society.
  • edited May 2008
    Winston wrote: »
    I'm glad I'm not alone in finding that any time I've picked up the Independent, I've always thought it to be a bit like a tabloid just with longer words and more flowery language.

    .

    But lacking the reporter resources of the better staffed tabloids* forcing it into repetitive essays on the state of the planet and drug taking alongside opinion pieces by Cleverity Longname, age 20.

    *ie not the Star, Express
  • edited May 2008
    I've never read the Independant (I don't read newspapers, as they are all biased and obsessed with "celebrity news" (such as a someone who appeared on Big Brother two years ago finishing with their boy/girl friend...) but from what I remember (from Have I Got News For You), isn't Boris Johnson the editor of the Independant?

    If so, then what else do you need to know about that so called "news" paper?

    Oh, and speaking of HIGNFY, Brian Blessed is presenting it tonight, so it should be good, as BB is great!
  • edited May 2008
    Boris Johnson was the editor of the Spectator magazine, not the Independent.
  • edited May 2008
    Winston wrote: »
    Boris Johnson was the editor of the Spectator magazine, not the Independent.

    Fair enough, he's still an over-educated moron though.

    And I agree with the original poster, that article is very bad, and does seem to side with the evil (actually, believe evil, he really does defy belief) man (and I say "man" as I honestly can't think of anything else, either swearing or not, that sums him up).

    Like 9/11, or the murder of Jamie Bulger, this is something I'll never get past.
  • edited May 2008
    Yeah shocking isnt it. The whole James Bulger thing, still dont get that. I was never bored any summer holidays either playing footy in the park or playing tons of Speccy games.

    Didnt ever think 'hmmm i'm bored with my mate, lets go into town, nick a toddler, torture him for a laugh and kill him'. Just weird weird weird.

    Then the family in Leeds 'pretending' (??) to have their daughter kidnapped, so odd. Then of course this Austrian nut. Just soooo bizarre and wrong on so many levels.

    Messed up world
  • edited May 2008
    The family in Leeds with the fake kidnap wasn't all that odd - it was just a variation on fraud, really, they are just straightforward criminals. The "innovation" they used was to get their fraud on TV to try and get a mass audience of people who they could bilk money out of.

    On the theme of a messed up world, you can take some comfort that this sort of thing is extremely rare (tens of millions to one chances against). In fact I think what's really impressive is going to somewhere big like London, getting on a packed tube train in rush hour, and never once have I seen anyone try to kill another person, or hysteria break out if the train stops in a tunnel and the lights go out.
  • edited May 2008
    Yeah of course these are one off type isolated incidents but i'm just still stunned by that Austrian one.

    That Leeds family, i mean thats all gone quiet quiet but did that woman think she could honestly scam everyone ? I mean i know theyre not the most intelligent but thats just ridiculous. But that stories gone very quiet.

    One reason why i do try to not read the papers all the time as it does sound like doom and gloom constantly, perhaps i've just been 'lucky' and havent been happy slapped or mugged but it doesnt seem that bad 'out there'.

    Reading the papers is like listening to several albums by Leonard Cohen, just depressing
  • edited May 2008
    Winston wrote: »
    The family in Leeds with the fake kidnap wasn't all that odd - it was just a variation on fraud, really, they are just straightforward criminals. The "innovation" they used was to get their fraud on TV to try and get a mass audience of people who they could bilk money out of.

    On the theme of a messed up world, you can take some comfort that this sort of thing is extremely rare (tens of millions to one chances against). In fact I think what's really impressive is going to somewhere big like London, getting on a packed tube train in rush hour, and never once have I seen anyone try to kill another person, or hysteria break out if the train stops in a tunnel and the lights go out.


    Yes, exactly its because these things are so rare that they make big news. However, its my view the world has always had its evil immorals, its just we have a media infastructure to point them out.
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