What is wrong with this auction?

edited May 2008 in Sales
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  • edited May 2008
    Going from the picture its not a 128K spectrum. I can't make out a heatsink on the right hand side, so that would make it a Spectrum +.
  • edited May 2008
    Its not a console LOL
  • edited May 2008
    I'm going to bid - really want that "Programming The Real World" book, there's a few changes I'd like to make to reality! :wink:
  • edited May 2008
    MrCheese wrote: »
    Going from the picture its not a 128K spectrum. I can't make out a heatsink on the right hand side, so that would make it a Spectrum +.

    Erm ... but it says Sinclair ZX Spectrum + in the upper left hand corner and then 128k in the lower right hand corner ... anything wrong with that?

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  • edited May 2008
    Its real i had one like that when i were a lad.
  • edited May 2008
    Did I imagine it, or was there a 128k without the heat sink?

    I have a standard "+" next to me, and I can't see how you could fit "128K" into the gap between the lower ss key and the logo. At least, not proportionally.

    This is a weird one.

    EDIT:

    I've just re-spun that image using some graphic software, and can conclude that the "128K" bit will occupy about the same space as two normal Spectrum + keys (actually, a little less). So it is possible to fit that text onto a normal Spectrum+.

    I still have this thing in the back of my mind though that there was more than one 128K edition (before Amstrad I mean).
  • edited May 2008
    gcallard wrote: »
    Did I imagine it, or was there a 128k without the heat sink?

    I have a standard "+" next to me, and I can't see how you could fit "128K" into the gap between the lower ss key and the logo. At least, not proportionally.

    This is a weird one.

    EDIT:

    I've just re-spun that image using some graphic software, and can conclude that the "128K" bit will occupy about the same space as two normal Spectrum + keys (actually, a little less). So it is possible to fit that text onto a normal Spectrum+.

    I still have this thing in the back of my mind though that there was more than one 128K edition (before Amstrad I mean).


    You're thinking of the 48k+ ... I see you've now edited your post ... so, never mind.

    BTW This pic is taken from this eBay auction.

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  • edited May 2008
    Also, the '128K' text is white rather than the usual red. I seem to remember another auction some time back where the seller pointed this fact out and said something like "I don't know whether this makes it a rarity, but it definitely doesn't look like someone's come along later and painted it".

    ...Which prompted a flurry of wisecracks about tipp-ex and "Rare Spectrum with unusual case markings - it definitely doesn't look like a toddler's chewed it", as I recall...
  • jpjp
    edited May 2008
    Perhaps a Spanish 128k with replacement English key caps? ;)
  • edited May 2008
    I've never heard tell of a 128 without heatsink.

    Odd that the closeup doesn't show the right hand side.

    Do you think it's an empty case? Or a bodge up +

    http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=1000488
    http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=1000487
  • edited May 2008
    NO its real i had one with white 128k logo when i was at school. Also notice that SINCLAIR logo isnt painted red, you gonna say its rubbed off lol
  • edited May 2008
    So its R@RE then?....a first run 128k or prototype perhaps?
  • edited May 2008
    ZX-MAD wrote: »
    NO its real i had one with white 128k logo when i was at school. Also notice that SINCLAIR logo isnt painted red, you gonna say its rubbed off lol

    Without a heatsink?
  • edited May 2008
    Maybe the heatsink has much been removed manually.
  • edited May 2008
    Well mine came in a retail red box from boots cookshop all those years ago and as for the missing heatsink, have you considered whoever took the picture intended not to show the heatsink, possibly cos its bent/broke/has paint scratched or chipped off. Could just be coincidence the heatsink isnt shown in the photo. Has anyone thought of just asking the buyer to confirm either way?
  • edited May 2008
    Much more interesting to speculate.

    So did yours have a heat sink?

    To remove one would knack the speccy. Either in removal or when the speccy heated up.
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    It's not just that it has been edited off the close up, it's not there in the long shot either.
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  • edited May 2008
    Oh yeah i didnt notice that. Mine certainly did have the heatsink. I only came by it because my spectrum+ died and we took it back under guarantee and the bloke in the shop said we can send it away for repair or you can pay a little more and have this new 128, think it was about 50 quid. Not wanting to be without a computer i got my 128 and very lush it was too. I wonder if this one has the sink inside like the +2 has hmmmm? Maybe someone can buy it and tell us all the mystery lol. That certainly is odd having no toastrack.


    Just a thought it could also be missing and the computer be sh!tpickled as it doesnt say its tested or working that i can see.

    Ive asked the seller some questions.
  • edited May 2008
    Here's a pic of a 128 with black 'Sinclair' & white '128k', it's on Rick Dickinsons flickr album:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/9574086@N02/788223656/in/set-72157600607571866/

    This page shows both versions, both have heatsinks:

    http://www.retromaniax.gr/vb/showthread.php?t=1086
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  • edited May 2008
    I think the external heatsink is a great idea.

    The auction one is probably an empty shell.
  • edited May 2008
    Just got a reply from the seller...................

    I'm Not sure about a heatsink however there are 2 RGB sockets and 1 TV ariel socket. again there is no serial number that I can find however I will try my utmost to find it.


    - jessejames40



    If you zoom in on the wide shot you can clearly see the mobo inside the case so its not empty at least. wonder why it has 2 rgb sockets i dont remember this detail, it must have been played with
  • edited May 2008
    How easy would it be to remove the heatsink? My 128K is at my parents' so I can't examine it, but if the heatsink is cast, it could crack quite cleanly if dropped, say.
  • edited May 2008
    Madstunts wrote: »
    How easy would it be to remove the heatsink?

    Very easy - it's only screwed in. I took mine off when I built Cookie's regulator fix (but ended up having to put it back again because I had the extra circuit hanging out of the side which made it even more impractical than the heatsink did in the first place...)
  • edited May 2008
    Why would you want to remove the heatsink from a 128k+ ?

    My friend had one back in the day in hot weather it was not a reliable machine even with that metal toastrack attached to the side! Can't imagine what it would be like without it!

    Even the early designs of the +2 have a substantial metal heatsink inside - around the tape deck. There's no space inside a 128k+ for anything like that is there?
  • edited May 2008
    I can put you all out of your misery. Some time in the late 80's there was a kit available for £24.95 where you could "upgrade your rubber key Spectrum to a Spectrum+".

    My friend bought one and it had the "128k" printed on it. I can't remember if it had holes in the case for the extra ports or was just a wrongly badged "+" case. I'm certain it didn't have the metal heatsink fins on the side though.

    I don't recall the supplier, it may have been Video Vault as he bought his CliveDrive from there and used them for repairs.
  • edited May 2008
    Haha, I walked past the old Video Vault shop earlier today!
  • edited May 2008
    Another reply from the seller.............

    No it doesn't have to have a heatsink as some of the earlier models weren't produced with them.


    - jessejames40


    Hmmm:confused:
  • edited May 2008
    Double post
  • edited May 2008
    Actually, while I think about it, maybe this was one half of the Video Vault Spectrum 128 upgrade.

    IIRC it was a two part upgrade - the first was the + case like in this advert.

    The second part was a device that plugged into the back, turning it into a Spectrum 128.

    From what I recall of the advert, it cost around ?79 from Video Vault.

    I'm sure it was featured in the back of one of the CRASH magazines from around '87 onwards (I only started reading it from August of that year), surely someone can quickly find it?

    The Video Vault + upgrade was in Crash 47, page 143.
  • edited May 2008
    Maybe it had a heatsink in the past but someone did remove it while substituting the 5V linear regulator by a switching regulator using a LM2576-5 or similar like here:

    http://www.truppel-online.de/ZXREG.jpg

    In this case you only need a very small heatsink placed inside the Spectrums case.

    Ingo.
  • edited May 2008
    The 128 with heatsink is a thing of beauty. Without Spectrum+.
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