Yeah the C64 version of Knight Lore is superb, the C64 version of Bombjack is great. Who cares if you cant jump against the edge of something in Ghost n Goblins, theres still a great tune and colourful graphics.
As i've said the C64 has better versions of some games (Turrican, Rambo, GHostbusters and others) just as the Speccy has better versions of games as well.
I dont think eitehr machine beats the other one. But again at the end of the day its about what computer you had as a kid.
As for you i cant tell at times now or in the past if you are sticking up for one machine or the other. All i see is the general longrunning C64 vs Speccy war.
Yeah the C64 version of Knight Lore is superb, the C64 version of Bombjack is great. Who cares if you cant jump against the edge of something in Ghost n Goblins, theres still a great tune and colourful graphics.
As i've said the C64 has better versions of some games (Turrican, Rambo, GHostbusters and others) just as the Speccy has better versions of games as well.
I dont think eitehr machine beats the other one. But again at the end of the day its about what computer you had as a kid.
As for you i cant tell at times now or in the past if you are sticking up for one machine or the other. All i see is the general longrunning C64 vs Speccy war.
This is a comparison of programmers (or programming teams), rather than a comparison of the merits of each machine .
Same here ! I'm getting confused whos the 'enemy' and who isnt, i'm just lashing my sword around ! Its the C64 logo which confuses me, keep thinking your totally 'anti-us' !
My fault for not having time for once to read through all this thread from the beginning !
No. Check any of the sites I listed above. You could also compare the number of posts at comp.sys.cbm to comp.sys.sinclair if you want (though since most of the real business is done at forums such as this it may not be a fair reflection).
For a system that sold 3x as many machines I'd expect to see at least 3x as much activity and more because activity begets activity. I don't think we see that.
For a system that sold 3x as many machines I'd expect to see at least 3x as much activity and more because activity begets activity. I don't think we see that.
It's debatable as to whether there's 1x the activity...
Speccy is more loved cause it was more user friendly. C64 was just a console with a few extra keys. It took a person with a big waggly joystick permanently attached to their hand to own a C64, where as Speccy owners were going over the BASIC routines in Football manager since age 8 to see if they find a cheat. Speccy was a far superior machine to cut your teeth with.
C64 wins graphically, but as we know, you can have 6 gigs of a shitty game with fancy graphics these day.
Speccy was the more loved. The C64 is the middle child that gets no attention.
Speccy was the more loved. The C64 is the middle child that gets no attention.
i thought the C64 was the uncle who only turned up at christmas, and forgot to bring you any presents, ate all the food and had to be thrown out before the great escape started.
i thought the C64 was the uncle who only turned up at christmas, and forgot to bring you any presents, ate all the food and had to be thrown out before the great escape started.
Meh, nothing constructive, plus it misses the point: There's more happening in the Speccy retroscene (both in depth and variety) than in the C64 retroscene. That's true whether you look at the activity during the last year or the last ten years.
That's a pretty compelling argument in favour of the Speccy being the most loved machine *now*.
But this is still a flawed argument - where is the PROOF that more is happening in the Speccy scene, other than posters on WoS saying how much they like to make love to the rubber keys? ;)
I suggest you find another excuse, which no doubt you will.
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"sinclair" 101 items
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"commodore" 397 items
"sinclair" 29 items
Oh dear, even on home turf Sinclair only has a 20% edge.
Want more? Or do you have anything to offer apart from the how long ago but one of the many Commodore sites was updated (despite having a thriving forum)?
WTF has eBay got to do with the size, depth and variety of a retroscene?
You're still fixated on "my computer is better than yours", which is not what all this is about.
So quoting google group activity and contemporary hardware sales are indicative of a fixation on "my computer is better than yours"? Christ that's lame. So all activity data I present will automatically be guaged as a hardware comparison? Do you regularly convince yourself that you win arguments by just not actually taking part in them?
And you still haven't given any data to back up your "1x" claim. I think we can assume by now you have no evidence to offer.
Oh, you want releases? http://noname.c64.org/csdb/
WTF has eBay got to do with the size, depth and variety of a retroscene?
...aside from proving that there are more people in the world who want to get rid of their C64s than there are people wanting to get rid of their Speccys?
...aside from proving that there are more people in the world who want to get rid of their C64s than there are people wanting to get rid of their Speccys?
</troll> ;)
Oh, I see. You're not *actually* trying to defend your position. In that case I'll just claim victory on this one. Thanks for raising the white flag so willingly.
Oh, I see. You're not *actually* trying to defend your position. In that case I'll just claim victory on this one. Thanks for raising the white flag so willingly.
You argue with irrelevancies and have an attitude which sucks. It might go down well in the CSS/CSC flamewars, but here that's just out of place.
Believe it or not, I wanted to learn something useful from this, especially areas in the C64 retroscene which isn't covered in the Speccy retroscene as I'll be done with my documentary in a couple of years' time and I'm wondering what to do next.
I've looked at the C64 retroscene and came to conclusion Martijn did at the start of the thread. It also matched my assessment of the C64 retroscene in 1997. You obviously disagree, but arguing with irrelevant statistics such as CSS post counts (low due to a few reasons other than the general deterioration of Usenet, which is another debate/flamewar in itself) and eBay sales is just like the straw-clutching you see in CSS/CSC flamewars rather than reasoned debate, especially coupled with your hostile attitude. IMHO, it devalues any info you give me, and that's pretty much why I've lost interest in you.
You argue with irrelevancies and have an attitude which sucks.
You don't argue at all. I back up my statements, you don't. If that's a attitude which offends you in chat forums then I suggest you pull that ethernet plug out.
eBay sales is just like the straw-clutching you see in CSS/CSC flamewars rather than reasoned debate
It's one straw more than you have. Why can't buying and selling of hardware be evidence of interest in it? Who are these buyers who aren't interested in what they're buying?
coupled with your hostile attitude. IMHO, it devalues any info you give me,
Well Mr. Dalai Lama, if you think the source of a *fact* devalues that *fact* than you'll be as good at making documentaries as you are at defending your forum opinions.
You argue with irrelevancies and have an attitude which sucks. It might go down well in the CSS/CSC flamewars, but here that's just out of place.
Believe it or not, I wanted to learn something useful from this, especially areas in the C64 retroscene which isn't covered in the Speccy retroscene as I'll be done with my documentary in a couple of years' time and I'm wondering what to do next.
I've looked at the C64 retroscene and came to conclusion Martijn did at the start of the thread. It also matched my assessment of the C64 retroscene in 1997. You obviously disagree, but arguing with irrelevant statistics such as CSS post counts (low due to a few reasons other than the general deterioration of Usenet, which is another debate/flamewar in itself) and eBay sales is just like the straw-clutching you see in CSS/CSC flamewars rather than reasoned debate, especially coupled with your hostile attitude. IMHO, it devalues any info you give me, and that's pretty much why I've lost interest in you.
Don't be so tough. You're destroying his childhood. Which is not ended yet.
"if the spectrum is more loved than c64 the world will soon be over, don't you understand, you speccy bastards? the fate of mankind depends upon this. but i will fight you. now, where's my joystick, i only have to press the fire button to blow you all away."
"if the spectrum is more loved than c64 the world will soon be over, don't you understand, you speccy bastards? the fate of mankind depends upon this. but i will fight you. now, where's my joystick, i only have to press the fire button to blow you all away."
that could be right so long as he's not playing Bombjack or Jet Set Willy :lol:
On ebay.co.uk in Vintage Computing
"commodore" 81 items
"sinclair" 101 items
On ebay.com in Vintage Computing
"commodore" 397 items
"sinclair" 29 items
So there are more people wanting rid of their commodore stuff than there are people wanting to give up their precious Speccy. What was your point again?
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I have no idea what you're talking about now.
This is a comparison of programmers (or programming teams), rather than a comparison of the merits of each machine .
just seen your post at lemon64, class. :)
but i get all my thread ideas from their chit chat section. (hence the brokeback mountain thread)
Same here ! I'm getting confused whos the 'enemy' and who isnt, i'm just lashing my sword around ! Its the C64 logo which confuses me, keep thinking your totally 'anti-us' !
My fault for not having time for once to read through all this thread from the beginning !
Ban the heretic...
Write games in C using Z88DK and SP1
It's debatable as to whether there's 1x the activity...
Good work Martijn. :lol:
C64 wins graphically, but as we know, you can have 6 gigs of a shitty game with fancy graphics these day.
Speccy was the more loved. The C64 is the middle child that gets no attention.
Yeah, right. Everybody knows that you're really talking about the CPC.
i thought the C64 was the uncle who only turned up at christmas, and forgot to bring you any presents, ate all the food and had to be thrown out before the great escape started.
You're thinking of the Micro.
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Here's the bit where you say "it's quality over quantity", thus abandoning your first theory about the ZX having more activity. Ho hum.
No, here's the bit where I comment on the state of CSS and get flamed to hell and back for doing so.
I suggest you find another data point.
But this is still a flawed argument - where is the PROOF that more is happening in the Speccy scene, other than posters on WoS saying how much they like to make love to the rubber keys? ;)
On ebay.co.uk in Vintage Computing
"commodore" 81 items
"sinclair" 101 items
On ebay.com in Vintage Computing
"commodore" 397 items
"sinclair" 29 items
Oh dear, even on home turf Sinclair only has a 20% edge.
Want more? Or do you have anything to offer apart from the how long ago but one of the many Commodore sites was updated (despite having a thriving forum)?
WTF has eBay got to do with the size, depth and variety of a retroscene?
You're still fixated on "my computer is better than yours", which is not what all this is about.
So quoting google group activity and contemporary hardware sales are indicative of a fixation on "my computer is better than yours"? Christ that's lame. So all activity data I present will automatically be guaged as a hardware comparison? Do you regularly convince yourself that you win arguments by just not actually taking part in them?
And you still haven't given any data to back up your "1x" claim. I think we can assume by now you have no evidence to offer.
Oh, you want releases? http://noname.c64.org/csdb/
...aside from proving that there are more people in the world who want to get rid of their C64s than there are people wanting to get rid of their Speccys?
</troll> ;)
your right, the C64 was in fact, a slightly retarted cousin, that no one talked about.
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Not talked about, yeah, sure.
You argue with irrelevancies and have an attitude which sucks. It might go down well in the CSS/CSC flamewars, but here that's just out of place.
Believe it or not, I wanted to learn something useful from this, especially areas in the C64 retroscene which isn't covered in the Speccy retroscene as I'll be done with my documentary in a couple of years' time and I'm wondering what to do next.
I've looked at the C64 retroscene and came to conclusion Martijn did at the start of the thread. It also matched my assessment of the C64 retroscene in 1997. You obviously disagree, but arguing with irrelevant statistics such as CSS post counts (low due to a few reasons other than the general deterioration of Usenet, which is another debate/flamewar in itself) and eBay sales is just like the straw-clutching you see in CSS/CSC flamewars rather than reasoned debate, especially coupled with your hostile attitude. IMHO, it devalues any info you give me, and that's pretty much why I've lost interest in you.
ok a slightly retarted cousin everyone talks about (but not in a good way)
Don't be so tough. You're destroying his childhood. Which is not ended yet.
"if the spectrum is more loved than c64 the world will soon be over, don't you understand, you speccy bastards? the fate of mankind depends upon this. but i will fight you. now, where's my joystick, i only have to press the fire button to blow you all away."
that could be right so long as he's not playing Bombjack or Jet Set Willy :lol:
So there are more people wanting rid of their commodore stuff than there are people wanting to give up their precious Speccy. What was your point again?
;-)