And what if you were Native American or Asian?....racist bastards your school.
Since the so-called "Native Americans" in actual fact aren't the only ones born in the Americas (as the term implies), that term is at least as racist as "American Indian". ;)
So how the hell is Gypo offensive anyway?? Its just a corruption of Gypsy isn't it.....Like calling a British person a Brit....
And "Gypsy" itself is likewise a contraction of "Egyptian", due to false assumptions on the part of those who first encountered [strike]thieving scumbags[/strike] gypsies. Although from my understanding of the His Dark Materials trilogy (it's on my "to read" list and I'll probably get to it in about a month), the equivalent of the Gypsies in that universe actually do come from that universe's Egypt. :)
I've had 'Fucking Brits' said to me several times obviously in an offensive manner but as I perceive being a Brit far superior than a 'bloody yank' it doesn't offend me.
It's a well known fact that Europeans (particularly Brits -- well, with the obvious exception of BNP/SNP members) ar smarter than Americans; for example, take the fact that the first book/film of the HP heptalogy (octalogy in the case of the movies) had to be titled Sorcerer's Stone because the Yanks are too dumb to understand the word "philosopher". :D
(And yet they all run around toting guns. :o :roll:)
I never make misteaksmistrakesmisyaleserrurs — oh, sod it.
I don't think nigger comes from negro I think they both have their roots in the same word niger meaning black.
Nigger would be the germanic way of prounceing Niger so is a direct import from Latin into English (and other languages) while Negro is the modern Spanish form of Niger meaning black. The word Negro is offensive because it was used extensively during the slave trade and I suppose once at the Carabean/US end of the route the two words would have been used interchangebly but Nigger has been used as the root of other words in English as well such as Niggerly.
Like most 'black' words the words derived from niger in English are all pretty negative which is why they arouse such bad publicity when they are used now but should we condem a group of words because they where being abused by people who abused people? The whole language is at risk if we dismis words because they are associated with something unpalletable.
I think all words should be free to use (perhaps not in polite conversation I couldn't ever say c**t in front of my mother for example) in normal conversation and just be considered offfensive when used as tools of hate.
You can bury you head and believe the everyone is the same but its simply not true. Races have different physical characteristics, religions and cultures have different philosophies....people and groups of people ARE different and so should be treated differently and not all the same, treating them the same and expecting them to react the same is dangerous (try having your wife walk through Mecca in a short skirt).
If someone comes from an Islamic country I can pretty much 'generalize' that his way of thinking is going to be different than mine....his thoughts about womens rights etc will probably be much more extreme than mine.
I shall continue to stereotype as it has served me well...if I am wrong about the odd person...oh well...the world keeps turnin.
'the board is black
the chalk is white
together we live harmony, harmony'
That's the American filk[*] song Black and White, and one of my favourite filk/folk songs; I think you're slightly misremembering the lyrics.
I must admit though, I once did (for my own amusement, and not because I actually believe any of the sentiments expressed) an extremely racist parody thereof, of which probably the only bit it's remotely safe to quote in public is:
"This song is crap,
This song is shite,
And I think that Hitler was right,
He was dead right." ;)
Although not all of the parody was racist: part of the original goes:
"The world is black, the world is white,
It turns by day and it turns by night..."
Which I spoofed as:
"The world is round, the world is flat,
It turns like this and it turns like that..." :D
[*]A filk song is a contemp[strike]tible[/strike]orary song, written in the style of (and in imitation of) folk songs. Said to be very popular at SF conventions for some reason.
Simon and Garfunkel did a lot of filk.
I never make misteaksmistrakesmisyaleserrurs — oh, sod it.
Nigger would be the germanic way of prounceing Niger so is a direct import from Latin into English (and other languages) while Negro is the modern Spanish form of Niger meaning black. The word Negro is offensive because it was used extensively during the slave trade and I suppose once at the Carabean/US end of the route the two words would have been used interchangebly but Nigger has been used as the root of other words in English as well such as Niggerly.
If (as I suspect) you actually meant "niggardly" (mean-spirited -- BTW I've never heard of any such word as "niggerly", "niggly" (nitpicking) is the closest), then you're regurgitating a common bogus etymology arising out of false analysis (like jumping to the conclusion that "history" means "his story" when in fact it actually comes from histrios, which was Greek for "saga" long before there was any such thing as the English language); "niggardly" is not at all racist and has no connection in derivation or meaning with "nigger", the similar sound is just an unfortunate coincidence.
Which is why the OED and other prestigious dictionaries hire J. R. R. Tolkein and others of like stature; imagine what a dictionary would be like if it hired Dan Brown as a lexicographer. :o :D
I never make misteaksmistrakesmisyaleserrurs — oh, sod it.
If (as I suspect) you actually meant "niggardly" (mean-spirited -- BTW I've never heard of any such word as "niggerly", "niggly" (nitpicking) is the closest), then you're regurgitating a common bogus etymology arising out of false analysis "niggardly" is not at all racist and has no connection in derivation or meaning with "nigger", the similar sound is just an unfortunate coincidence.
I did mean to type niggardly (my keyboard is doing some strange things today missing letters out all over the place which is why it ended up even worse than my normal spelling) and you are quite right it came into our language via old norse rather than latin I can't understand why I made the connection having corrected other people previously for making the same mistake. I blame lack of caffeine (from the arabic Kafir (joke ;) ))
...and this is why the British Empire collapsed children!....Our next lesson will cover the collapse of American Society for pretty much the same Political correctness bullshit and pussification of the masses.
...and this is why the British Empire collapsed children!....Our next lesson will cover the collapse of American Society for pretty much the same Political correctness bullshit and pussification of the masses.
i thought the british empire collapsed cos we ran out of money.
The 'accepted' name right now (it does change) for blacks is 'African American' ....
I get some amusement from the fact that you could be a WHITE African American.
A little side story regarding racism that supports aowens thing about not stereotyping...
I have a Hispanic friend (well half Hispanic his father is Irish..hence the following).
His name is Adam O'mary. Whenever he deals with people on the phone or goes for job interviews/meetings etc they always assume his is white because of his name.
He is has in fact a 'stereotypical' looking Hispanic appearance and I've been with him a few times and seen the obvious shock on people faces when they have met him. :lol:
You've never heard of Affirmative action have you.
You've never heard of white privilege have you.
I can't help but wonder if either of you have heard of so-called "positive discrimination" -- an even worse contradiction in terms than "political correctness", out of which it of course arose.
I was once a victim of "positive" discrimination; the guy in the flat above mine was regularly stealing my mail and sometimes forging my signature to my benefit cheques so he could steal the money (and on one occasion I was under a fraud investigation for that); yet because he was black and I am white, the left-wing morons at the housing association (who both suffered from the loony-left delusion that racism is a white monopoly) jumped to the conclusion that he was being victimised. :roll: And don't get me started on Winston Silcott, who literally got away with murder on the same basis... :o
Although the left have now realised that "positive discrimination" is no different from any other discrimination (I'm sure the Nazis felt that their discrimination against the Jews was very positive; after all, they were "ridding the country of vermin", and what could be more positive than that?:roll:), instead of getting rid of it they now just call it by another, just as dumb but more euphemistic, term ("targeting" IIRC)...
It is statistically impossible that every single gypsy is a bad person.
And as others have pointed out, from my own personal experience (which in the end is all I have to go on) it is statistically extremely unlikely that any gypsy (or those who call themselves gypsies at any rate -- who may or may not be real ones), tramp, busker or squatter is a good person, as all of my experiences are to the contrary -- I've already posted about tramps (and to my mind buskers and squatters are specialist types of tramp), don't get me started again...
I never make misteaksmistrakesmisyaleserrurs — oh, sod it.
I can't help but wonder if either of you have heard of so-called "positive discrimination"
Affirmative action IS positive discrimination...places where it is practiced (which in Texas is pretty much any large corporation) will give, when faced with equally qualified candidates, the job to the black/minority applicant rather than the white.
EDIT: The interesting bit about this is that in Texas Whites are NOW the minority...yet don't get affirmative action in their favor..hmmmmmmmmmm
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i think you will find there are lots of people in the white community who are quite happy to call black people that word too.
Since the so-called "Native Americans" in actual fact aren't the only ones born in the Americas (as the term implies), that term is at least as racist as "American Indian". ;)
And "Gypsy" itself is likewise a contraction of "Egyptian", due to false assumptions on the part of those who first encountered [strike]thieving scumbags[/strike] gypsies. Although from my understanding of the His Dark Materials trilogy (it's on my "to read" list and I'll probably get to it in about a month), the equivalent of the Gypsies in that universe actually do come from that universe's Egypt. :)
It's a well known fact that Europeans (particularly Brits -- well, with the obvious exception of BNP/SNP members) ar smarter than Americans; for example, take the fact that the first book/film of the HP heptalogy (octalogy in the case of the movies) had to be titled Sorcerer's Stone because the Yanks are too dumb to understand the word "philosopher". :D
(And yet they all run around toting guns. :o :roll:)
misteaksmistrakesmisyaleserrurs— oh, sod it.Nigger would be the germanic way of prounceing Niger so is a direct import from Latin into English (and other languages) while Negro is the modern Spanish form of Niger meaning black. The word Negro is offensive because it was used extensively during the slave trade and I suppose once at the Carabean/US end of the route the two words would have been used interchangebly but Nigger has been used as the root of other words in English as well such as Niggerly.
Like most 'black' words the words derived from niger in English are all pretty negative which is why they arouse such bad publicity when they are used now but should we condem a group of words because they where being abused by people who abused people? The whole language is at risk if we dismis words because they are associated with something unpalletable.
I think all words should be free to use (perhaps not in polite conversation I couldn't ever say c**t in front of my mother for example) in normal conversation and just be considered offfensive when used as tools of hate.
If someone comes from an Islamic country I can pretty much 'generalize' that his way of thinking is going to be different than mine....his thoughts about womens rights etc will probably be much more extreme than mine.
I shall continue to stereotype as it has served me well...if I am wrong about the odd person...oh well...the world keeps turnin.
That's the American filk[*] song Black and White, and one of my favourite filk/folk songs; I think you're slightly misremembering the lyrics.
I must admit though, I once did (for my own amusement, and not because I actually believe any of the sentiments expressed) an extremely racist parody thereof, of which probably the only bit it's remotely safe to quote in public is:
"This song is crap,
This song is shite,
And I think that Hitler was right,
He was dead right." ;)
Although not all of the parody was racist: part of the original goes:
"The world is black, the world is white,
It turns by day and it turns by night..."
Which I spoofed as:
"The world is round, the world is flat,
It turns like this and it turns like that..." :D
[*]A filk song is a contemp[strike]tible[/strike]orary song, written in the style of (and in imitation of) folk songs. Said to be very popular at SF conventions for some reason.
Simon and Garfunkel did a lot of filk.
misteaksmistrakesmisyaleserrurs— oh, sod it.i'm not mis-remebering the lyrics, thats how we got taught it.
If (as I suspect) you actually meant "niggardly" (mean-spirited -- BTW I've never heard of any such word as "niggerly", "niggly" (nitpicking) is the closest), then you're regurgitating a common bogus etymology arising out of false analysis (like jumping to the conclusion that "history" means "his story" when in fact it actually comes from histrios, which was Greek for "saga" long before there was any such thing as the English language); "niggardly" is not at all racist and has no connection in derivation or meaning with "nigger", the similar sound is just an unfortunate coincidence.
Which is why the OED and other prestigious dictionaries hire J. R. R. Tolkein and others of like stature; imagine what a dictionary would be like if it hired Dan Brown as a lexicographer. :o :D
misteaksmistrakesmisyaleserrurs— oh, sod it.Then your teacher misremembered the lyrics. :p ;)
misteaksmistrakesmisyaleserrurs— oh, sod it.I did mean to type niggardly (my keyboard is doing some strange things today missing letters out all over the place which is why it ended up even worse than my normal spelling) and you are quite right it came into our language via old norse rather than latin I can't understand why I made the connection having corrected other people previously for making the same mistake. I blame lack of caffeine (from the arabic Kafir (joke ;) ))
We had that record when I was growing up in the States.
Another verse was "The ink is black // The page is white // Together we learn // To read and write, to read and write."
i thought the british empire collapsed cos we ran out of money.
nah thats what the liberals tell you...if we owned most of the earths surface how could we run out of money with all the resources at our hands! ;)
no i don't know any liberals, i'm from yorkshire.
edit - we spent all out money on fighting hitler?
I think you will find the collapse of the British Empire was well underway before Hitler came along.
its better than your argument that the british lost their empire cos they didn't know what to call the natives.
The 'accepted' name right now (it does change) for blacks is 'African American' ....
I get some amusement from the fact that you could be a WHITE African American.
A little side story regarding racism that supports aowens thing about not stereotyping...
I have a Hispanic friend (well half Hispanic his father is Irish..hence the following).
His name is Adam O'mary. Whenever he deals with people on the phone or goes for job interviews/meetings etc they always assume his is white because of his name.
He is has in fact a 'stereotypical' looking Hispanic appearance and I've been with him a few times and seen the obvious shock on people faces when they have met him. :lol:
No, my argument was that we started having feelings for them and other such un-British namby pamby stuff.
I can't help but wonder if either of you have heard of so-called "positive discrimination" -- an even worse contradiction in terms than "political correctness", out of which it of course arose.
I was once a victim of "positive" discrimination; the guy in the flat above mine was regularly stealing my mail and sometimes forging my signature to my benefit cheques so he could steal the money (and on one occasion I was under a fraud investigation for that); yet because he was black and I am white, the left-wing morons at the housing association (who both suffered from the loony-left delusion that racism is a white monopoly) jumped to the conclusion that he was being victimised. :roll: And don't get me started on Winston Silcott, who literally got away with murder on the same basis... :o
Although the left have now realised that "positive discrimination" is no different from any other discrimination (I'm sure the Nazis felt that their discrimination against the Jews was very positive; after all, they were "ridding the country of vermin", and what could be more positive than that?:roll:), instead of getting rid of it they now just call it by another, just as dumb but more euphemistic, term ("targeting" IIRC)...
And as others have pointed out, from my own personal experience (which in the end is all I have to go on) it is statistically extremely unlikely that any gypsy (or those who call themselves gypsies at any rate -- who may or may not be real ones), tramp, busker or squatter is a good person, as all of my experiences are to the contrary -- I've already posted about tramps (and to my mind buskers and squatters are specialist types of tramp), don't get me started again...
misteaksmistrakesmisyaleserrurs— oh, sod it.Affirmative action IS positive discrimination...places where it is practiced (which in Texas is pretty much any large corporation) will give, when faced with equally qualified candidates, the job to the black/minority applicant rather than the white.
EDIT: The interesting bit about this is that in Texas Whites are NOW the minority...yet don't get affirmative action in their favor..hmmmmmmmmmm
yes thats right, britain asked india to marry it, it said no, so we slunked off to continue our courtship with northern ireland.
No Britain let the naked guy sit on the lawn...instead of rolling over him in a tank they let him have the lawn.
why do ALL your analogies have to involve naked men.
I was gonna say nakedness makes us all equal...but i've seen you in the showers.. :lol:
don't be daft, you only think i have a massive cock cos your comparing it to yours.
you dropped the soap....
"All generalisations are dangerous, including this one." -- Alexandre Dumas fils ;)
misteaksmistrakesmisyaleserrurs— oh, sod it.yup, now pick it up love.
Fixed.....
I thought the British Empire collapsed because the sun never set, so nobody ever got time to shag. :D
misteaksmistrakesmisyaleserrurs— oh, sod it.