Help with references For Wikipedia

There was recently a review of the ZX Spectrum article on Wikipedia.

The reviewer raised a few concerns which I have started to address. However, there are some unsourced claims which I have Googled all over the "place" to find reliable references without success. Perhaps some of you know where to look and hence help to maintain it's status as a Good Article.

For your convenience, below are the main points regarding sourcing:
  • The first paragraph of the Software section claims that "The Spectrum enjoys a vibrant, dedicated fan-base." Great, but who says so?
  • The last half of the Distribution section is also completely uncited, as is the first half of Copying and backup software.
  • "The Spectrum has an interesting method of handling colour ...". Interesting to who? Unusual?
Either update the article directly or post the URLs here and I'll mark it up.
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Comments

  • edited September 2008
    I have to unrelated points you might want to consider:

    1. At one point the article talks about 14,000 titles (ref 36) and later on says that WoS has more than 18,000 (just before ref 46).
    For what it's worth, the actual number of titles is in excess of 20,000; I have over 1,000 left to add (full Outlet index) and know that the various PD catalogues have many titles we don't list yet.

    2. In regards to copiers, perhaps it's worth mentioning that the commercial magazines got fed up with them at some point (can't find a reference, sorry) and stated they would refuse to list any further ones, including in the smalls ads.
    We know this led to copiers getting different names to get past that restriction, but it was an important statement; we wouldn't want to suggest that piracy on the Spectrum was condoned and encouraged (as you could read into it now).
  • edited September 2008
    Not sure if this is useful or not - Geoff's website here contains a link/reference for the original 'attribute clash' circuit patent, filed by Sinclair and listing Richard Altwasser as the originator.
  • edited September 2008
    aowen wrote: »
    [*]The first paragraph of the Software section claims that "The Spectrum enjoys a vibrant, dedicated fan-base." Great, but who says so?

    Link to the WoS Forums activity logs.

    Good point, but ... errr ... which activity logs would that be?
    [*]The last half of the Distribution section is also completely uncited, as is the first half of Copying and backup software.

    The first sentence is a load of rubbish. Most copiers on the Spectrum were used to copy from cassette (which was slow and inconvenient) to other media such as microdrives and disk systems. To state that this was for copyright infringement is a value judgement on whether making a backup for personal use is theft, and has no place in a reference article.

    I have removed the sentence. The paragraph could do with a little more work as well. I'll see what I can do.
    [*]"The Spectrum has an interesting method of handling colour ...". Interesting to who? Unusual?

    Better to describe the actual method, which is to use a mono bitmap to describe the screen and the a colour overlay. It's not the only computer to use it. The Oric also uses it and even the C64 had a mode that worked this way.

    Another good point. Shouldn't be to hard to find references for.
  • edited September 2008
    mheide wrote: »
    I have to unrelated points you might want to consider:

    1. At one point the article talks about 14,000 titles (ref 36) and later on says that WoS has more than 18,000 (just before ref 46).
    For what it's worth, the actual number of titles is in excess of 20,000; I have over 1,000 left to add (full Outlet index) and know that the various PD catalogues have many titles we don't list yet.

    For now I'll stick with the conservative number with reference to the Archive page.
    2. In regards to copiers, perhaps it's worth mentioning that the commercial magazines got fed up with them at some point (can't find a reference, sorry) and stated they would refuse to list any further ones, including in the smalls ads.
    We know this led to copiers getting different names to get past that restriction, but it was an important statement; we wouldn't want to suggest that piracy on the Spectrum was condoned and encouraged (as you could read into it now).

    I wasn't aware that such a ban was ever in effect. LERM, Kobrasoft, ZX Guaranteed and others thrived in the small ads section as far as I could determine from that era. When was this?
    RST#08 wrote: »
    Not sure if this is useful or not - Geoff's website here contains a link/reference for the original 'attribute clash' circuit patent, filed by Sinclair and listing Richard Altwasser as the originator.

    Excellent reference! I'll try to incorporate that into the article as well.
  • edited September 2008
    Who updates/maintains the links on that page ?

    I tried adding a link to the Spectrum Games Bible (Which isnt exactly something we make millions from) but someone then kept taking the link off, annoying as anything.

    The page is about the Speccy, we do books about Speccy games, ZXF Magazine is there with links to printed version which you pay for so i cant believe people are getting funny about 'commercial enterprises' ?

    Its a book by fans with fan reviews in it and we make minimal money from everyone sold.

    That page is the main one about the Speccy on wikipedia but i dont understand why someone keeps deleting the URL for the books at the bottom ? Under retro gaming for example are links to compilations you buy etc.
  • edited September 2008
    psj3809 wrote: »
    Who updates/maintains the links on that page ?

    click on the 'History' tab.
    'Wikipedia is not a place to advertise' is the reason.
  • edited September 2008
    Me, amongst other people. The link was removed because it was not in accordance with Wikipedia's external link guidelines, particularly point 5 of "Links normally to be avoided":

    "Links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services"

    and you should probably also read What Wikipedia is not while you're at it. What is on other pages is irrelevant; see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. The solution is to remove the spam from other pages, not to add it to what is one of the better articles on Wikipedia.
  • edited September 2008
    Hmm my mistake then, just thought it would be good to have useful links on that site to a variety of different sites. Granted its a site to 'sell products' and yeah whether you make ?1000 profit a month or just ?1 it still comes under that.
  • edited September 2008
    [Copiers no longer listed by magazines]
    I wasn't aware that such a ban was ever in effect. LERM, Kobrasoft, ZX Guaranteed and others thrived in the small ads section as far as I could determine from that era. When was this?

    At a guess, it was in 1986, when Lerm rebranded their Lerm Tape Copier 8 to Lerm Tape Utility 8 and started using 'Utility' instead for the next versions.
    If so, Sinclair User would have a note somewhere, but, again, I haven't verified this (it's just a recollection).
  • edited September 2008
    mheide wrote: »
    [Copiers no longer listed by magazines]

    At a guess, it was in 1986, when Lerm rebranded their Lerm Tape Copier 8 to Lerm Tape Utility 8 and started using 'Utility' instead for the next versions.
    If so, Sinclair User would have a note somewhere, but, again, I haven't verified this (it's just a recollection).

    The inly reference I found was this which sugges that this was more of a "forced response" based on industry pressure rather than a "mission of mercy".:-)
  • edited September 2008
    aowen wrote: »
    [*]The first paragraph of the Software section claims that "The Spectrum enjoys a vibrant, dedicated fan-base." Great, but who says so?

    Link to the WoS Forums activity logs.

    I have addressed all of the reviewers concerns, except that first paragraph above. Any ideas? If nothing else surfaces, I guess a link to the Forum pages themselves will do. What do you think?
  • edited September 2008
    aowen wrote: »
    How about a link to the WoS "What's new" pages, which shows all the activity going back years? And then there's the www.raww.org news archive for demo and emulator news.
    Excellent! Thanks!
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