I'm one of the good ones then, I'd take an abandoned whippet or greyhound in a second. Not only are they super faithful dogs but they're so fragile to. I couldn't imagine anybody wanting to gun them down, it's sick.
Every dog and cat I've ever owned has beena rag doll story, factory rejects and the like. All the dogs that I had through my life were rescues, one was a Springer Spaniel called walnut, he was disowned because he had a congenital heart defect and was no good as a herder because of it, it killed him when I was about 4 years old. The other Springer I had Jasper was brought home from my mas work when I was 2 (she was a vetinary nurse), and he lasted until he was about 15, me and one of my (supposed) best mates almost came to blows in the local chippy when he pointed to the kebab meat and said there's Jasper.
My ma brought a Border Collie home that somebody stopped a farmer from drowing, sick thing is it wasn't a tiny puppy it was about 6 months old, sadly it's experience with the farmer had left it somewhat unstable and when I was 5 years old it had to be put down. It latched onto my face and savaged it pretty bad, I still wear the scar almost 25 years later, I can still remember how sad my ma was to have to tell me the dog was gone. I obviously understand why now, but when I was 5 I was gutted, even after having to go and have my face sewn shut the kid in me wasn't angry at the dog at all :(
First kitten I got I was 9, he died of a ruptured heart valve at about 7 weeks old, something to do with a virus he picked up that makes fluid build up and constipates the cat. Poor little guy managed to take a turd on his litter tray as well, then 5 minutes later there was a screetch, and my cat was in a seizure rolling down the backyard stairs.
I actually feel sad typing that, I cryed for weeks afterwards :(
I won't say all my cats and dogs that have been through the boozy household of blighty in my life, but my recent kitty death was the cruelly named "Mongo Kitty". I didn't call him that one of my friends did. Out of a litter of 7 3 survived, 2 turned out normal then there was Mongo kitty. Starved of oxygen as a tiny kitten by some snot ridden virus the remainder of a litter had when we got them, he suffered brain damage. My ma and one of the more thorough vets she worked with examined him and actually diagnosed that he had the feline equivalent of downs. How accurate this was I know not, but I don't think the illness he had when we got him was what effected him at all. He had huge eyes, an unusual shaped head , couldn't make nay noises but chirps. Totally unique cat, wish we'd tupped a queen with him and saw what the kittens turned out like.
Sadly he died while I was here, he lasted 10 years longer than anybody thought he would though, and when we got him they opinion was he won't last the night. Insignificant to some but to me a real success story, he was pretty much my cat too, he used to sit on my shoulder and chirp away.
My wifes family just couldn't understand why I was so upset by his death? I replied "I always thought I'd get to see him again" :(
Which sadly is true, I really did think I'd get to see him again.
Personally, I'd like to see a game where you get to be the bull and chase people through the streets mowing them down.... now that would be fun....
Isn't there some sort of out-run-a-bull type "sport" once a year in Spain or Italy or something?
I remember Hammond doing it on Top Gear. He was wearing a white shirt with a red scarf type thing and holding a newspaper.
Some yearly tradition.
Oh, no. Every time you turn up something monumental and terrible happens.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
Isn't there some sort of out-run-a-bull type "sport" once a year in Spain or Italy or something?
I remember Hammond doing it on Top Gear. He was wearing a white shirt with a red scarf type thing and holding a newspaper.
Some yearly tradition.
yeah the pamplona or something. not sure if it harms the bulls, more like it kills the people running away. i suppose a bull may be shot if it goes mental and starts running through a china shop. not sure where animal lovers stand on this event.
Isn't there some sort of out-run-a-bull type "sport" once a year in Spain or Italy or something?
I remember Hammond doing it on Top Gear. He was wearing a white shirt with a red scarf type thing and holding a newspaper.
Some yearly tradition.
Maybe they do it to aleiviate some of the guilt from butchering a (semi) defenseless animal for entertainment, after all some of those people get gored and trampled to death during that "bull run" event.
yeah the pamplona or something. not sure if it harms the bulls, more like it kills the people running away. i suppose a bull may be shot if it goes mental and starts running through a china shop. not sure where animal lovers stand on this event.
I don't know if this is a standard finale to the bull-run in Pamplona but I remember having seen a few shots of where they end up jumping into a harbour/marina both runners and bull.
Just like dm most of my pets have been rescued in one way or another.
My cat lived to 21 after being the victim of an attempted drowning as a kitten and my dog was rescued by an old work mate of my dad on her way to work at 6am. If she hadn't been taken into the factory she would have died before 9am according to the vet. She lived to almost 20.
My current dog is a border collie who still cowers when he hears farmers voice. He's currently 16 and losing his marbles but he still attempts to do everything I ask of him in an effort to please me.
We tend to end up with long lived apparently happy pets in my family. Our rabbit lived to 7 and a Guinea Pig to 8 recently as well.
Animals can be so rewarding if you have the time to get to know them properly.
Is that a world record? I'm not taking the piss, I thought guinea pigs only live about 4 or 5 years?
14 according to Google.
It became a quality of life thing and it only that guinea pig and my first cat (who suddenly went blind at 21) where put to sleep. Most have come to me and fallen asleep in my lap or at my feet so I've comforted them through it or them comforted me you never can be sure.
Horrible isn't it and doesn't seeing how at least one of your neighbours doesn't give a shit about their pets. :(
Well ... I am lucky enough that my building allows cats and small(er) pets (have to be vet-inspected/certified as Grade-A-OK health-wise) and the building next door allows small dogs (under 35lbs I believe) so I live in a rather pet-friendly environment ... people walk their dogs and pick up their "offerings" (the building/landlord has a special stand outside the dog-building stacked with small plastic bags for doggie owners) ... I've even seen a girl next door walk her cat on a leash.
But I've heard horror stories from other neighbourhoods ... :-(
Man ... reading the last few comments is bumming me out (a bit) ... it's been a year since my cat died of cancer :cry:
Yeah, I understand what you mean.
I've got 2 black cats, which me and my ex-wife got from an animal rescue charity when they were a year old (I kept them when we split up). They'd belonged to some woman who had a violent twat of a husband who'd been in jail and when he got out his idiot wife took him back and the poor cats took a bit of a beating from him as well.
They're extremely nervous with people they don't know (for obvious reasons) but once they get used to you and you take the time to befriend them, they're the most loving gentle creatures I know....Daisy often climbs onto my shoulder and Teazle always comes bounding onto my lap when I get in from work.
I know I'll be devastated if and when anything happens to them & I don't even want to think about it really :(
"Barbaric 'sport' which doesnt belong in the year 2008 which is sickening to most people with a brain"
Intolerant little bigot, aren't you?
There was a time when I presumed that people whining about cruelty to clay pigeons was the absolute nadir of uninformed stupidity. But you plumb new depths in this infernal cess-pit: howling about cruelty to blocks of pixels on a computer display, indeed!
There was a time when I presumed that people whining about cruelty to clay pigeons was the absolute nadir of uninformed stupidity. But you plumb new depths in this infernal cess-pit: howling about cruelty to blocks of pixels on a computer display, indeed!
How dare you call PSJ little? He won't stand for that!
There was a time when I presumed that people whining about cruelty to clay pigeons was the absolute nadir of uninformed stupidity. But you plumb new depths in this infernal cess-pit: howling about cruelty to blocks of pixels on a computer display, indeed!
Are you stupid ? I'm not moaning about someone wanting to find the game about bullfighting i was moaning about the actual 'sport' itself. Obviously when someone was mentioning bullfighting there would be responses about the actual activity itself. When the original post appeared i mentioned there were a few games in the archive.
If someone was after a game about dog fighting there would be responses about 'theres a game like that in the archive but what a horrible idea for a game' kinda thing. Thats why there is often public outcry about a game about Princess Di and the Merc crashing or recently about a Columbine shooting game. Granted its quite hypocritical when we buy games where you kill everything but when somethings based on a very sad real life event or a sick sport then you'll get these sorts of comments.
As for 'little' thankyou very much, i feel i've lost some weight lately and have gone down from 15 stone to 13.5 so i feel better for it, thanks for the kind words.
Are you stupid ? I'm not moaning about someone wanting to find the game about bullfighting i was moaning about the actual 'sport' itself. Obviously when someone was mentioning bullfighting there would be responses about the actual activity itself. When the original post appeared i mentioned there were a few games in the archive.
If someone was after a game about dog fighting there would be responses about 'theres a game like that in the archive but what a horrible idea for a game' kinda thing. Thats why there is often public outcry about a game about Princess Di and the Merc crashing or recently about a Columbine shooting game. Granted its quite hypocritical when we buy games where you kill everything but when somethings based on a very sad real life event or a sick sport then you'll get these sorts of comments.
As for 'little' thankyou very much, i feel i've lost some weight lately and have gone down from 15 stone to 13.5 so i feel better for it, thanks for the kind words.
Sorry it just upsets me when people talk about bullfighting as its cruel.
Anyway i would write more but i need to go outside and train my bear i've got chained up to do a little dance , making him step on a hot metal surface makes him dance better i find ;) I was going to do a joke about cock fighting but i can imagine the replies i would get.
Sorry it just upsets me when people talk about bullfighting as its cruel.
Anyway i would write more but ... I was going to do a joke about cock fighting but i can imagine the replies i would get.
You really should do that. Write more, that is.
So far you haven't provided a single argument against bullfighting. Where you describe it with the single word "cruel", that is merely a judgement call on your part. (And just to be clear, spitting out synonymous adjectives like "barbaric" and "inhumane" would just be re-iterating the same judgement call, and advancing no argument whatsoever.)
I put it to you that you don't want to discuss bullfighting, and indeed want to close down any discussion on the subject. Moreover, your motive for doing so is (at least in part) because you won't even tolerate any dissenting opinion on the subject.
So far you haven't provided a single argument against bullfighting. Where you describe it with the single word "cruel", that is merely a judgement call on your part. (And just to be clear, spitting out synonymous adjectives like "barbaric" and "inhumane" would just be re-iterating the same judgement call, and advancing no argument whatsoever.)
I put it to you that you don't want to discuss bullfighting, and indeed want to close down any discussion on the subject. Moreover, your motive for doing so is (at least in part) because you won't even tolerate any dissenting opinion on the subject.
every animal rights organisation is against it. he doesn't have to justify it is cruel, it simple is. its like asking him to justify that the sun is bright, there is no point, cos that is the case.
he probably doesn't want to discuss it becasue those in support of it have a twisted world view and don't need encouraging.
Well, I really think in the end it comes to where you where born...there are places and vilages where killing a pig is a big event, and yet I find it quite disturbing...
but that doesn't mean those people are evil...
bessides only evil people are vegetarians everybody knows that!
every animal rights organisation is against it. he doesn't have to justify it is cruel, it simple is. its like asking him to justify that the sun is bright, there is no point, cos that is the case.
he probably doesn't want to discuss it becasue those in support of it have a twisted world view and don't need encouraging.
I'm opposed to any organisation that states its conclusions as axioms, and proselytises based on those axiom-conclusions.
To put it simply, these animal rights organisations are behaving like religions.
There is nothing forward-thinking in proposing that society winds back the clock to a time when a single sect of one religion was mandated by law, and all other belief systems were banned as heresy.
I'm opposed to any organisation that states its conclusions as axioms, and proselytises based on those axiom-conclusions.
To put it simply, these animal rights organisations are behaving like religions.
There is nothing forward-thinking in proposing that society winds back the clock to a time when a single sect of one religion was mandated by law, and all other belief systems were banned as heresy.
what the flip you on about?
you hating religion isn't an argument for bullfighting.
I don't have much of an opinion on bullfighting, yes it is cruel and inhumane, but so is carving them up, cooking and eating them, to some degree.
I think though that the way the Spanish media portrays the bullfighters themselves probably doesn't help much... they're worshipped over there, much like footballers are worshipped over here.
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Every dog and cat I've ever owned has beena rag doll story, factory rejects and the like. All the dogs that I had through my life were rescues, one was a Springer Spaniel called walnut, he was disowned because he had a congenital heart defect and was no good as a herder because of it, it killed him when I was about 4 years old. The other Springer I had Jasper was brought home from my mas work when I was 2 (she was a vetinary nurse), and he lasted until he was about 15, me and one of my (supposed) best mates almost came to blows in the local chippy when he pointed to the kebab meat and said there's Jasper.
My ma brought a Border Collie home that somebody stopped a farmer from drowing, sick thing is it wasn't a tiny puppy it was about 6 months old, sadly it's experience with the farmer had left it somewhat unstable and when I was 5 years old it had to be put down. It latched onto my face and savaged it pretty bad, I still wear the scar almost 25 years later, I can still remember how sad my ma was to have to tell me the dog was gone. I obviously understand why now, but when I was 5 I was gutted, even after having to go and have my face sewn shut the kid in me wasn't angry at the dog at all :(
First kitten I got I was 9, he died of a ruptured heart valve at about 7 weeks old, something to do with a virus he picked up that makes fluid build up and constipates the cat. Poor little guy managed to take a turd on his litter tray as well, then 5 minutes later there was a screetch, and my cat was in a seizure rolling down the backyard stairs.
I actually feel sad typing that, I cryed for weeks afterwards :(
I won't say all my cats and dogs that have been through the boozy household of blighty in my life, but my recent kitty death was the cruelly named "Mongo Kitty". I didn't call him that one of my friends did. Out of a litter of 7 3 survived, 2 turned out normal then there was Mongo kitty. Starved of oxygen as a tiny kitten by some snot ridden virus the remainder of a litter had when we got them, he suffered brain damage. My ma and one of the more thorough vets she worked with examined him and actually diagnosed that he had the feline equivalent of downs. How accurate this was I know not, but I don't think the illness he had when we got him was what effected him at all. He had huge eyes, an unusual shaped head , couldn't make nay noises but chirps. Totally unique cat, wish we'd tupped a queen with him and saw what the kittens turned out like.
Sadly he died while I was here, he lasted 10 years longer than anybody thought he would though, and when we got him they opinion was he won't last the night. Insignificant to some but to me a real success story, he was pretty much my cat too, he used to sit on my shoulder and chirp away.
My wifes family just couldn't understand why I was so upset by his death? I replied "I always thought I'd get to see him again" :(
Which sadly is true, I really did think I'd get to see him again.
Isn't there some sort of out-run-a-bull type "sport" once a year in Spain or Italy or something?
I remember Hammond doing it on Top Gear. He was wearing a white shirt with a red scarf type thing and holding a newspaper.
Some yearly tradition.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP
yeah the pamplona or something. not sure if it harms the bulls, more like it kills the people running away. i suppose a bull may be shot if it goes mental and starts running through a china shop. not sure where animal lovers stand on this event.
Maybe they do it to aleiviate some of the guilt from butchering a (semi) defenseless animal for entertainment, after all some of those people get gored and trampled to death during that "bull run" event.
I don't know if this is a standard finale to the bull-run in Pamplona but I remember having seen a few shots of where they end up jumping into a harbour/marina both runners and bull.
Who rescues the bull?????????????
I'd prefer watching this event :grin:
My cat lived to 21 after being the victim of an attempted drowning as a kitten and my dog was rescued by an old work mate of my dad on her way to work at 6am. If she hadn't been taken into the factory she would have died before 9am according to the vet. She lived to almost 20.
My current dog is a border collie who still cowers when he hears farmers voice. He's currently 16 and losing his marbles but he still attempts to do everything I ask of him in an effort to please me.
We tend to end up with long lived apparently happy pets in my family. Our rabbit lived to 7 and a Guinea Pig to 8 recently as well.
Animals can be so rewarding if you have the time to get to know them properly.
Is that a world record? I'm not taking the piss, I thought guinea pigs only live about 4 or 5 years?
Ask Martijn, or is his game Hamsters? I forget?
14 according to Google.
It became a quality of life thing and it only that guinea pig and my first cat (who suddenly went blind at 21) where put to sleep. Most have come to me and fallen asleep in my lap or at my feet so I've comforted them through it or them comforted me you never can be sure.
Horrible isn't it and doesn't seeing how at least one of your neighbours doesn't give a shit about their pets. :(
Well ... I am lucky enough that my building allows cats and small(er) pets (have to be vet-inspected/certified as Grade-A-OK health-wise) and the building next door allows small dogs (under 35lbs I believe) so I live in a rather pet-friendly environment ... people walk their dogs and pick up their "offerings" (the building/landlord has a special stand outside the dog-building stacked with small plastic bags for doggie owners) ... I've even seen a girl next door walk her cat on a leash.
But I've heard horror stories from other neighbourhoods ... :-(
Almost what you wanted.
http://biboz.net/juegos/san-fermin/
Yeah, I understand what you mean.
I've got 2 black cats, which me and my ex-wife got from an animal rescue charity when they were a year old (I kept them when we split up). They'd belonged to some woman who had a violent twat of a husband who'd been in jail and when he got out his idiot wife took him back and the poor cats took a bit of a beating from him as well.
They're extremely nervous with people they don't know (for obvious reasons) but once they get used to you and you take the time to befriend them, they're the most loving gentle creatures I know....Daisy often climbs onto my shoulder and Teazle always comes bounding onto my lap when I get in from work.
I know I'll be devastated if and when anything happens to them & I don't even want to think about it really :(
sweet........ :)
There was a time when I presumed that people whining about cruelty to clay pigeons was the absolute nadir of uninformed stupidity. But you plumb new depths in this infernal cess-pit: howling about cruelty to blocks of pixels on a computer display, indeed!
How dare you call PSJ little? He won't stand for that!
Are you stupid ? I'm not moaning about someone wanting to find the game about bullfighting i was moaning about the actual 'sport' itself. Obviously when someone was mentioning bullfighting there would be responses about the actual activity itself. When the original post appeared i mentioned there were a few games in the archive.
If someone was after a game about dog fighting there would be responses about 'theres a game like that in the archive but what a horrible idea for a game' kinda thing. Thats why there is often public outcry about a game about Princess Di and the Merc crashing or recently about a Columbine shooting game. Granted its quite hypocritical when we buy games where you kill everything but when somethings based on a very sad real life event or a sick sport then you'll get these sorts of comments.
As for 'little' thankyou very much, i feel i've lost some weight lately and have gone down from 15 stone to 13.5 so i feel better for it, thanks for the kind words.
go back to russia, you bigot!
:grin:
Sorry it just upsets me when people talk about bullfighting as its cruel.
Anyway i would write more but i need to go outside and train my bear i've got chained up to do a little dance , making him step on a hot metal surface makes him dance better i find ;) I was going to do a joke about cock fighting but i can imagine the replies i would get.
Terrible whiplash.
http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/fighters/karatechamp-5.png
So far you haven't provided a single argument against bullfighting. Where you describe it with the single word "cruel", that is merely a judgement call on your part. (And just to be clear, spitting out synonymous adjectives like "barbaric" and "inhumane" would just be re-iterating the same judgement call, and advancing no argument whatsoever.)
I put it to you that you don't want to discuss bullfighting, and indeed want to close down any discussion on the subject. Moreover, your motive for doing so is (at least in part) because you won't even tolerate any dissenting opinion on the subject.
every animal rights organisation is against it. he doesn't have to justify it is cruel, it simple is. its like asking him to justify that the sun is bright, there is no point, cos that is the case.
he probably doesn't want to discuss it becasue those in support of it have a twisted world view and don't need encouraging.
but that doesn't mean those people are evil...
bessides only evil people are vegetarians everybody knows that!
To put it simply, these animal rights organisations are behaving like religions.
There is nothing forward-thinking in proposing that society winds back the clock to a time when a single sect of one religion was mandated by law, and all other belief systems were banned as heresy.
what the flip you on about?
you hating religion isn't an argument for bullfighting.
you are arguing for arguments sake.
Didn't Way Of The Exploding Fist have a bit like that... On the Commode, I mean.
*dodges flying bottle of pee*
I think though that the way the Spanish media portrays the bullfighters themselves probably doesn't help much... they're worshipped over there, much like footballers are worshipped over here.