Has said he will sit and negotiate with terrorists with no preconditions.
I know you're just trolling with your list (you don't seriously believe that list, do you?), but someone needs to pluck up the courage to talk to the terrorists if they really actually want a solution (rather than continuing the bogus War on Terra).
Out of my back window, on a nice day, I can see a formerly troubled land, and one of the most troubled bits of it. The Mountains of Mourne, in Northern Ireland. I have good friends who live there.
If it wasn't for someone plucking up the courage to actually talk to the people directly involved in "The Troubles", the IRA and other paramilitaries would still be bombing now. While it's been far from a smooth road, even 15 years ago, the idea of Gerry Adams and Dr. Ian Paisley face to face coming to an agreement would seem like a flight of fancy. But it happened. Someone must start talking. It's not about capitulation or giving in, but the current "war on terror" will never work, and it's obvious it will never work, and anyone who thinks you can have a solution without talking is in a world of wishful thinking. Talking does not mean "giving in". It doesn't imply weakness.
My birth certificate is also nicely freshly printed, it got lost in one of my house moves (probably between continents). I got a copy from the records office, because I needed it for a new passport. It cost ?12 to get it reprinted. It's pretty common practise to get them reprinted.
My birth certificate is also nicely freshly printed, it got lost in one of my house moves (probably between continents). I got a copy from the records office, because I needed it for a new passport. It cost £12 to get it reprinted. It's pretty common practise to get them reprinted.
I don't know this for sure, but I think my "original" US birth certificate is classed as an "official copy", with the actual original being kept in the records office somewhere in Texas (probably Austin, but I could be wrong). I'll have to look at it again someday.
Edit: And even though it's been kept in an envelope these past 30-odd years, ISTR it's still shiny white, so I guess the actual original will be in a similar state.
I know you're just trolling with your list (you don't seriously believe that list, do you?),
I don't know if the items on Beanz's list are right (I don't much follow politics are they're all in it for themselves) but if they are then they are definately calls for concern. No doubt McCain has hidden skeletons too, of course. You have to be corrupt to get ahead in politics.
My reason for posting, though, was to say that Beanz isn't a troll, and to say that he'd act like one is wrong. He might be wrong in what he wrote, but he's not a troll (none of the WOS regulars are, or ever act like it).
My birth certificate is also nicely freshly printed, it got lost in one of my house moves (probably between continents). I got a copy from the records office, because I needed it for a new passport. It cost ?12 to get it reprinted. It's pretty common practise to get them reprinted.
Not in Hawaii it ain't where birth certificates are not in the public domain.....especially when the governor has sealed it.
He might be wrong in what he wrote, but he's not a troll (none of the WOS regulars are, or ever act like it).
You don't have to be a troll to post a troll from time to time :-) However, any political debate like this becomes horribly partisan (what I alluded to earlier) with otherwise reasonable people posting flamebait. For instance, Slashdot had a "discuss the elections" topic and it quickly had well over 1200 posts, most of which were partisan flamebait from people who are normally quite reasonable.
I don't know if the items on Beanz's list are right (I don't much follow politics are they're all in it for themselves) but if they are then they are definately calls for concern. No doubt McCain has hidden skeletons too, of course. You have to be corrupt to get ahead in politics.
My reason for posting, though, was to say that Beanz isn't a troll, and to say that he'd act like one is wrong. He might be wrong in what he wrote, but he's not a troll (none of the WOS regulars are, or ever act like it).
Thanks EWGF, it's typical of 'open thinkers' who hear something they don't like so resort to personal attacks....here is a little more on the list...
Most (if not all of those items) can be quickly found with a google.
There is no doubt he has ties with Bill Ayers (there is even evidence that the Ayers family financed his law degree).
There is no doubt he has used multiple aliases...when he lived in Indonesia his name was Barry Soetoro.
Spread the wealth. QUOTE OBAMA "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."...his tax policies are readily available to view.
Civilian Army QUOTE OBAMA: ""We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
[racist comments] QUOTE OBAMA: "my grandmother is a typical white person": "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13 when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites." : "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself maybe. And white" etc etc (there are A LOT)
Meeting with Terrorists with no preconditions
Barack Obama said that he'd meet with the rogue leaders of the world, including the leaders of Iran, without preconditions.
Now not sure how thats trolling when its all readily available to research.
Civilian Army QUOTE OBAMA: ""We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
He has even said the US needs a CIVILIAN army!! (SS anyone!).
Eh..?
The SS was an elite army, founded for security purposes, where soldiers were educated in the nazi doctrine. Is the knowledge about european history that poor in the US?
Civilian Army QUOTE OBAMA: ""We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
[racist comments] QUOTE OBAMA: "my grandmother is a typical white person": "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13 when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites." : "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself maybe. And white" etc etc (there are A LOT)
Meeting with Terrorists with no preconditions
Barack Obama said that he'd meet with the rogue leaders of the world, including the leaders of Iran, without preconditions.
Now not sure how thats trolling when its all readily available to research.
Personally I don't find any of those quotes concerning, I'd be more concerned if you couldn't dig up anything at all about either candidate.
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Yes, thats all he has produced...an image..NOT an original.
Thats a nice freshly printed document isn't it!
Now Google and look at some of the NONE supporters of Obama comments about it.
You're right. Everyone's lying about it. One huge conspiracy. One huge leak-free conspiracy. No doubt.
:roll:
I know you're just trolling with your list (you don't seriously believe that list, do you?), but someone needs to pluck up the courage to talk to the terrorists if they really actually want a solution (rather than continuing the bogus War on Terra).
Out of my back window, on a nice day, I can see a formerly troubled land, and one of the most troubled bits of it. The Mountains of Mourne, in Northern Ireland. I have good friends who live there.
If it wasn't for someone plucking up the courage to actually talk to the people directly involved in "The Troubles", the IRA and other paramilitaries would still be bombing now. While it's been far from a smooth road, even 15 years ago, the idea of Gerry Adams and Dr. Ian Paisley face to face coming to an agreement would seem like a flight of fancy. But it happened. Someone must start talking. It's not about capitulation or giving in, but the current "war on terror" will never work, and it's obvious it will never work, and anyone who thinks you can have a solution without talking is in a world of wishful thinking. Talking does not mean "giving in". It doesn't imply weakness.
My birth certificate is also nicely freshly printed, it got lost in one of my house moves (probably between continents). I got a copy from the records office, because I needed it for a new passport. It cost ?12 to get it reprinted. It's pretty common practise to get them reprinted.
I don't know this for sure, but I think my "original" US birth certificate is classed as an "official copy", with the actual original being kept in the records office somewhere in Texas (probably Austin, but I could be wrong). I'll have to look at it again someday.
Edit: And even though it's been kept in an envelope these past 30-odd years, ISTR it's still shiny white, so I guess the actual original will be in a similar state.
I don't know if the items on Beanz's list are right (I don't much follow politics are they're all in it for themselves) but if they are then they are definately calls for concern. No doubt McCain has hidden skeletons too, of course. You have to be corrupt to get ahead in politics.
My reason for posting, though, was to say that Beanz isn't a troll, and to say that he'd act like one is wrong. He might be wrong in what he wrote, but he's not a troll (none of the WOS regulars are, or ever act like it).
Not in Hawaii it ain't where birth certificates are not in the public domain.....especially when the governor has sealed it.
You don't have to be a troll to post a troll from time to time :-) However, any political debate like this becomes horribly partisan (what I alluded to earlier) with otherwise reasonable people posting flamebait. For instance, Slashdot had a "discuss the elections" topic and it quickly had well over 1200 posts, most of which were partisan flamebait from people who are normally quite reasonable.
Colbert is more classy - Beanz should be a bit sharper to even compete with him :)
Thanks EWGF, it's typical of 'open thinkers' who hear something they don't like so resort to personal attacks....here is a little more on the list...
Most (if not all of those items) can be quickly found with a google.
There is no doubt he has ties with Bill Ayers (there is even evidence that the Ayers family financed his law degree).
There is no doubt he has used multiple aliases...when he lived in Indonesia his name was Barry Soetoro.
Spread the wealth. QUOTE OBAMA "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."...his tax policies are readily available to view.
Civilian Army QUOTE OBAMA: ""We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
[racist comments] QUOTE OBAMA: "my grandmother is a typical white person": "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13 when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites." : "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself maybe. And white" etc etc (there are A LOT)
Meeting with Terrorists with no preconditions
Barack Obama said that he'd meet with the rogue leaders of the world, including the leaders of Iran, without preconditions.
Now not sure how thats trolling when its all readily available to research.
You mean like the Territorials?
Last time I check a civilian security force was called THE POLICE...we already have them..why do we need another?...not to mention Homeland security.
The SS was an elite army, founded for security purposes, where soldiers were educated in the nazi doctrine. Is the knowledge about european history that poor in the US?
Not exactly a huge difference in definition from the TA, though.
Really? You know the form that his Civilian Army will take??....how did you get this information?
We already have an equivalent of the TA....THE RESERVES they are called here....try again.
Ummm how do you form an opinion without researching both sides???
cos the police are good at keeping the peace, and the army is good and killing things. and sometimes soldiers are expected to be peacekeepers.
You are not familiar with American police are you... :lol:
I don't know the structure of either country's civilian forces, but it looks like we have a separate "Regular Reserves" arrangement away from the TA.
I really don't understand why you fear the concept of a Civilian Army.
As stated, well already have The police, Homeland security, The regular army, the reserves, FEMA, CIA, FBI, NSA, INS etc etc....NO need for another.
Beanz has been possessed by the Spirit of Cornish Davey.
Beanz... you new nick name the Texan Pasty :lol:
How so...everything I have stated there IS documented fact....go look it up.