without having been there and not knowing the people involved, what i will say is that ketamine can have some very strong effects. You don't go straight into a coma like state, you start off by acting very normally but your brain starts convincing you that things aren't what they seem. i remeber once i tried to connect my DS to a person using the Wifi connection, in my head it was working and i was explaing in great detail how i was accomplishing it. when i got my connecting running i was convinced i was controlling this person. It was more than a dream like state, i was wide awake and functioning, it was my brain that was feeding me false info.
then you start to realise you go into jelly leg mode, they go numb at first and feel detatched like they aern't yours, but once you are up you can walk but your balance is thrown completly off.
Later on comes the coma, time drags out, and you are unable to talk much becasue your brain is going ten to the dozen trying to sort itself out. you are still aware of your surroundings but its hard to interact with it.
you come out of it slowly, and don't suffer much in the way of a comedown or a hangover.
You tend to forget a lot of what has just happened, and even with reminding its hard to recolect properly. It like trying to grasp onto a dream as you are waknig up. your brain must think it was asleep as the bizzare thougts just weren't normal.
Its not a great drug to do if you wan't to be sociable, not a great one to do alone either. Its more of a party drug.
that said, i hope it can draw some light onto things for those who have only wikipedia sources to tell them what this drug does.
I have had no axe to grind with him before this weekend, he is just someone who once worked in the industry and I wish the situation to go back to that position without any further mudslinging.
Amen to that! I somehow think that Joffa himself must feel that things got out of hand at the event (perhaps without his realising it) and probably regrets the whole thing himself. Perhaps a one-to-one talk may sort things out for all involved.
As someone who finds it hard to even socialise with my friends without being off my head I'd just like to echo what miles has said, I'm sure Joffa's intentions were all good and it just got too much. Why take something on a day when it's a public gathering, perhaps that was the only way he thought he could be there and thought he'd be ok, i.e. trying to go and do the right thing by showing up for fans, I think you've been unintentionally the brunt, so your annoyance is justified (and I feel for you) but I'd hope you don't hold it against him :)
personally don't think jof has any grievances with anyone from Ocean, was one of the people playtesting Saucer and so been lucky enough to have some correspondance with him and he's always spoke both respectfully of a few coders, artists and musicians, and certainly for a coder of his calibre never a hint of thinking he was special, if anything one thing he's reiterated 3 or 4 times is that it's all about the gameplay.
Hope you two can work things out, sure your both fine fellows ;)
personally don't think jof has any grievances with anyone from Ocean, was one of the people playtesting Saucer and so been lucky enough to have some correspondance with him and he's always spoke both respectfully of a few coders, artists and musicians, and certainly for a coder of his calibre never a hint of thinking he was special, if anything one thing he's reiterated 3 or 4 times is that it's all about the gameplay.
i was asked to play test that too. didn't know who joffa was at the time, so i just ignored him. thought he sounded fishy when he told me not to post the link anywhere. thought it was going to be a harry price rip off or something. :)
Man, all this makes me wish I had gone now! Unfortunately I couldn't due to other commitments.
Simon, after your initial "story" post I was ready to come and wage war in Joffa's defence. It's got to be said it came across as a glassful of sarcasm with a twist of bitterness on top ;-). However, I'm glad I read the rest of the posts to get the full story as I can now fully sympathise with how you must have felt. Not a nice situation to be in.
I certainly hope that Jonathan can get the help he obviously needs. I know in posts before the event he was stating how nervous he was, but I simply thought it was a bit of stage-fright, not an actual social problem. I've heard of taking some Dutch Courage but a dose of Ketamine is a trifle extreme!
Okay. Enough now. This isn't making me feel better. I over did 'it' and timed things wrong.
And, yes, I have social issues - and my worst nightmare is being on stage in front of people I don't know, in a place I've never been to. (Naked - but I've not seen the video clips yet, so I dont know if I stripped off!)
But I'm actually glad I did it.
As for therapy. I've had acupuncture and hypnotism (though not at the same time!), and other stuff too. But the only thing that works is getting off my face!
As Mark Jones pointed out, it was sad to see anyone, regardless of their reputation or perceived status in the condition we found Joffa last weekend.
I have had no axe to grind with him before this weekend, he is just someone who once worked in the industry and I wish the situation to go back to that position without any further mudslinging.
This sounds like you now have an axe to grind.
I honestly can't remember what I said, or why I said it. Probably for comic effect. But I'm just not funny.
I'm sorry.
And I don't live in a glass house. It's far too dangerous for me!
As for therapy. I've had acupuncture and hypnotism (though not at the same time!), and other stuff too. But the only thing that works is getting off my face!
I just timed it bad.
You're not the first and you certainly won't be the last to screw up at a social gathering. I'm sure stupidget could post some stuff about me getting completely bladdered at his house parties that'll make me want to curl up in a corner. Chalk it down to experience and move on, life's too short.
You're not the first and you certainly won't be the last to screw up at a social gathering. I'm sure stupidget could post some stuff about me getting completely bladdered at his house parties that'll make me want to curl up in a corner. Chalk it down to experience and move on, life's too short.
I don't know why I said I'd do it in the first place! I don't do these things because I can't!
At least it has given loads of things for people to talk and laugh and fight about!
So that must be okay! (?)
And I've destroyed your image of me! But not on purpose!
And I'm not going to curl up in a corner. I didn't want to be there, shouldn't have been there, and now I'm elsewhere. 'Standing' in a corner with my back to everyone. With a "dunce" cap on my head, and waiting for the bell to ring.
I don't know why I said I'd do it in the first place! I don't do these things because I can't!
At least it has given loads of things for people to talk and laugh and fight about!
So that must be okay! (?)
And I've destroyed your image of me! But not on purpose!
And I'm not going to curl up in a corner. I didn't want to be there, shouldn't have been there, and now I'm elsewhere. 'Standing' in a corner with my back to everyone. With a "dunce" cap on my head, and waiting for the bell to ring.
We all still love you. Time for a singular group hug or something.
That's made me feel a little bit better. But not much! If you hug me I wouldn't feel it! So - wasted!
But I would get to say "I'm touching youuuuuuu" in a stupid voice :grin: Be carefull, people could take advantage if they knew that you could be hugged without feeling it, you may wake up with a C64 in each pocket.
"I attempted to smile in that way we do when encountering someone from a foreign country or the Welsh because although obvious that it's not their fault you can't help but feel pity for them tinged with a smidgen of disgust."
Make an impression. No matter what! I could be hit by a bus tomorrow! You won't forget me!
Well, being hit by a bus is another way to make an impression I suppose.
But anyway - I hope that you don't see this aftermath as confirmation that you can't handle social situations. It was a pleasure to speak to you afterwards - a slightly surreal one, yes, but certainly a pleasure. Even though you didn't acknowledge me as the true Spectrum scene celebrity I am, ya bastard ;-) And if you need any music for Saucer, you know where to find me...
In a way, it was a bit unfortunate that the panel thing was dressed up as a public-speaking-on-stage thing when it didn't really need to be - from where I was sitting, *everyone* seemed to be more at ease once the microphones conked out and it turned into more of a casual group chat.
I wish my English is better to express my view on this thread.
-I don't know why Simon is filled with anger as he can clearly see that joffa is not a normal person.
-I don't know why Mark takes sides with Simon as he can clearly see joffa is not in a normal state.
-I can guess why joffa has social problems. He is a stereotypic nerd genius as we all expected from him.
Well, at the end, I see three confused weird speccy celebrity, and one relatively normal celebrity (Gasman) here.
so all of this is tabloid, but sorry guys, you won't make any headlines this year.
again, who am I to talk about your internal affairs?
just another gamer.
@Joffa, I want to laugh at you, especially want to see that cut when you touch the ground. That won't make "Cobra" less genius.
Oh look. Simon hated me from the start! And I don't hate hate him, or anyone else!
He was there for people to see him and give him work. I was there because I was invited, and even though I knew I'd die on stage, I went and did it anyway!
But, ironically, everyone is going to remember me! For all the wrong reasons!
But, ironically, everyone is going to remember me! For all the wrong reasons!
Nonsense. People remember you for the great games you created, just like Arjun said. I know I do!
One public performance doesn't change anything, be it positively or negatively.
Oh, I know you Gasman! And if you want to do a tune then that's okay by me!
No money though. For you or me!
What, no money?!? Tch. Next you'll be telling me that it won't help me to pick up girls either. I'm always guaranteed at least five hot chicks when I do one of JC's games.
What, no money?!? Tch. Next you'll be telling me that it won't help me to pick up girls either. I'm always guaranteed at least five hot chicks when I do one of JC's games.
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then you start to realise you go into jelly leg mode, they go numb at first and feel detatched like they aern't yours, but once you are up you can walk but your balance is thrown completly off.
Later on comes the coma, time drags out, and you are unable to talk much becasue your brain is going ten to the dozen trying to sort itself out. you are still aware of your surroundings but its hard to interact with it.
you come out of it slowly, and don't suffer much in the way of a comedown or a hangover.
You tend to forget a lot of what has just happened, and even with reminding its hard to recolect properly. It like trying to grasp onto a dream as you are waknig up. your brain must think it was asleep as the bizzare thougts just weren't normal.
Its not a great drug to do if you wan't to be sociable, not a great one to do alone either. Its more of a party drug.
that said, i hope it can draw some light onto things for those who have only wikipedia sources to tell them what this drug does.
(quality trip though)
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Amen to that! I somehow think that Joffa himself must feel that things got out of hand at the event (perhaps without his realising it) and probably regrets the whole thing himself. Perhaps a one-to-one talk may sort things out for all involved.
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personally don't think jof has any grievances with anyone from Ocean, was one of the people playtesting Saucer and so been lucky enough to have some correspondance with him and he's always spoke both respectfully of a few coders, artists and musicians, and certainly for a coder of his calibre never a hint of thinking he was special, if anything one thing he's reiterated 3 or 4 times is that it's all about the gameplay.
Hope you two can work things out, sure your both fine fellows ;)
i was asked to play test that too. didn't know who joffa was at the time, so i just ignored him. thought he sounded fishy when he told me not to post the link anywhere. thought it was going to be a harry price rip off or something. :)
Simon, after your initial "story" post I was ready to come and wage war in Joffa's defence. It's got to be said it came across as a glassful of sarcasm with a twist of bitterness on top ;-). However, I'm glad I read the rest of the posts to get the full story as I can now fully sympathise with how you must have felt. Not a nice situation to be in.
I certainly hope that Jonathan can get the help he obviously needs. I know in posts before the event he was stating how nervous he was, but I simply thought it was a bit of stage-fright, not an actual social problem. I've heard of taking some Dutch Courage but a dose of Ketamine is a trifle extreme!
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And, yes, I have social issues - and my worst nightmare is being on stage in front of people I don't know, in a place I've never been to. (Naked - but I've not seen the video clips yet, so I dont know if I stripped off!)
But I'm actually glad I did it.
As for therapy. I've had acupuncture and hypnotism (though not at the same time!), and other stuff too. But the only thing that works is getting off my face!
I just timed it bad.
This sounds like you now have an axe to grind.
I honestly can't remember what I said, or why I said it. Probably for comic effect. But I'm just not funny.
I'm sorry.
And I don't live in a glass house. It's far too dangerous for me!
You're not the first and you certainly won't be the last to screw up at a social gathering. I'm sure stupidget could post some stuff about me getting completely bladdered at his house parties that'll make me want to curl up in a corner. Chalk it down to experience and move on, life's too short.
I don't know why I said I'd do it in the first place! I don't do these things because I can't!
At least it has given loads of things for people to talk and laugh and fight about!
So that must be okay! (?)
And I've destroyed your image of me! But not on purpose!
And I'm not going to curl up in a corner. I didn't want to be there, shouldn't have been there, and now I'm elsewhere. 'Standing' in a corner with my back to everyone. With a "dunce" cap on my head, and waiting for the bell to ring.
We all still love you. Time for a singular group hug or something.
That's made me feel a little bit better. But not much! If you hug me I wouldn't feel it! So - wasted!
But I would get to say "I'm touching youuuuuuu" in a stupid voice :grin: Be carefull, people could take advantage if they knew that you could be hugged without feeling it, you may wake up with a C64 in each pocket.
I thought it was a priviledge to see you ALL there and thanks guys for making the effort.
Make an impression. No matter what! I could be hit by a bus tomorrow! You won't forget me!
I think it was me! But I was hit by a bus - so I don't know!
Suddenly I am on Joffa's side.
Well, being hit by a bus is another way to make an impression I suppose.
But anyway - I hope that you don't see this aftermath as confirmation that you can't handle social situations. It was a pleasure to speak to you afterwards - a slightly surreal one, yes, but certainly a pleasure. Even though you didn't acknowledge me as the true Spectrum scene celebrity I am, ya bastard ;-) And if you need any music for Saucer, you know where to find me...
In a way, it was a bit unfortunate that the panel thing was dressed up as a public-speaking-on-stage thing when it didn't really need to be - from where I was sitting, *everyone* seemed to be more at ease once the microphones conked out and it turned into more of a casual group chat.
No money though. For you or me!
Sorry this is next bit is so dark and quiet. But I can't work the new camera, and I still haven't slept yet!
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Stop WoSsing about and go to bed!
I've tried. Loads of beds. But they just don't seem to work!
-I don't know why Simon is filled with anger as he can clearly see that joffa is not a normal person.
-I don't know why Mark takes sides with Simon as he can clearly see joffa is not in a normal state.
-I can guess why joffa has social problems. He is a stereotypic nerd genius as we all expected from him.
Well, at the end, I see three confused weird speccy celebrity, and one relatively normal celebrity (Gasman) here.
so all of this is tabloid, but sorry guys, you won't make any headlines this year.
again, who am I to talk about your internal affairs?
just another gamer.
@Joffa, I want to laugh at you, especially want to see that cut when you touch the ground. That won't make "Cobra" less genius.
He was there for people to see him and give him work. I was there because I was invited, and even though I knew I'd die on stage, I went and did it anyway!
But, ironically, everyone is going to remember me! For all the wrong reasons!
Nonsense. People remember you for the great games you created, just like Arjun said. I know I do!
One public performance doesn't change anything, be it positively or negatively.
Of course people won't know who I am though, I'll just be that drunk Geordie twat that got thrown out for being drunk ;)
What, no money?!? Tch. Next you'll be telling me that it won't help me to pick up girls either. I'm always guaranteed at least five hot chicks when I do one of JC's games.
I'd do anything for a bucket of KFC too...
Now, if we could just 'pool' our resources together and pay YouTube to remove the videos I'll be a happy man!