+3 Sound Issues

edited April 2009 in Hardware
I know this has been covered before, but was there ever (or as close to) a definitive answer to the +3's distorted sound and what can be done to the board to rectify it.

If so does anyone have a component list and a piccy of board once they've finished. I've never done electronics, but if there's only diagrams I do know someone who can follow it

cheers
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  • edited April 2009
    Ingo (a user here) has talked about sound fixes for the +2. I'm not sure if any of those fixes apply to the +3, but it's worth reading:

    http://www.worldofspectrum.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24347&highlight=sound
    http://www.worldofspectrum.org/forums/showpost.php?p=332483&postcount=13
  • edited April 2009
    I've got a black +2 which I've been servicing the tape deck today, it has great sound and funnily enough it has some hardwiring going on near to the AY chip strange eh?

    took a couple of snap shots one from my +3 and one from my +2 over the same area, both boards are identical except the +2 has no drive interface.

    I'd post em if I could just work out how to upload em

    D:%5CDocuments%20and%20Settings%5CJed.MAIN-MACHINE%5CDesktop%5C08042009230.jpg
  • edited April 2009
    There are a couple of free image hosting sites out there. I use photobucket, but I don't know if they're still freeware for new users.
  • edited April 2009
    See this thread on foro.speccy.org:

    http://www.speccy.org/foro/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=961

    You may not understand the Spanish, but the drawings should hopefully give you an idea. The message by mcleod_ideafix shows how to get sound to the SCART lead (and should not contain the distortion).

    The other option is to study the +3 schematics for the version where Amstrad did it right, and put that output circuit on a small daughterboard, and cut the tracks to the faulty circuit.

    You can also bodge it acceptably - search for threads in this forum, there's three or four effective "bodge" ideas.
  • edited April 2009
    @Winston: By learning Spanish you found an entire new World of Spectrum out there, full of hardware goodies and similar treasures. How does it feel? :-D Next step: Learn Russian, Polish or Czech. :P
  • edited April 2009
    Thanks for that, I've had a look and will have a crack at it soon. My +3's that both have the sound distortion are issue 1 and 2. I'm going to experiment on my spare +3 yet in some ways I feel that it may be wrong to do so. Perhaps I'm getting too sentimental in my old age. NAH!! now where's my hockey mask.

    The +2a that has hardwiring is an issue one, I have a +2b that I've just had a look in and it's a 1990 issue 4. The board is different again, which was clear even to me as soon as I opened it.
  • edited April 2009
    zxbruno wrote: »
    @Winston: By learning Spanish you found an entire new World of Spectrum out there, full of hardware goodies and similar treasures. How does it feel? :-D Next step: Learn Russian, Polish or Czech. :P

    I'm struggling to learn one language at once at the moment :-) I still have an awful long way to go with Spanish, I find myself agonising for ages with WordReference in another tab trying to make sure what I'm writing actually makes sense and is at least vaguely grammatically correct! Human languages are tough, a hundred times harder than any computer language. I really struggle when trying to actually speak it...but eventually, I am determined to speak it well... I'm absolutely convinced of two things though, (a) you're never too old to learn a language (what you may lose in quick learning ability when you're an adult is more than offset by increased discipline and the fact you have a much higher mental capacity as an adult), and (b) British people are somehow useless at languages - that's a total cop-out. British people are useless at languages because of the hegemony of English, but overwhelmingly because languages are taught completely wrongly in many English speaking countries and taught in ways that make it a chore. (I learned more Spanish in a month than I did of French in over 7 years of school French... I think that says something about language teaching in this country...)

    It helps that there are interesting things to read, like ZX Magazine and Microhobby of course :-)

    Actually, the next Spectranet video that I'll put on YouTube, I'll do a Spanish version so you can all laugh at my bad accent :-)
  • edited April 2009
    DRaLLaFE wrote: »
    I know this has been covered before, but was there ever (or as close to) a definitive answer to the +3's distorted sound and what can be done to the board to rectify it.

    If so does anyone have a component list and a piccy of board once they've finished. I've never done electronics, but if there's only diagrams I do know someone who can follow it

    cheers
    Use headphones, or turn the TV down and try some old PC speakers. Or try a SCART lead. As for an internal fix, I seem to remember something, but it's been a long time since I did the research unfortunately.

    Regards,

    Shaun.
  • edited April 2009
    Use headphones, or turn the TV down and try some old PC speakers. Or try a SCART lead.

    Because the distortion is generated by the spectrum itself because of a design flaw, remedied in later editions it would still sound poor no matter what.

    Bought a scart socket from http://www.dataserve-retro.co.uk/index1.html and a couple of drive belts for my +3. Had an excellent section on servicing +3 drives. The sound was still poor due to the flaw but the display is so clear. My drives now read every disk I put in them Imust have had some of them for nearly 18 years.
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