I guess it must be my infinite bandwidth on both my home and mobile devices that makes me yawn indifferently at this kind of inconsequential nonsense. Top-posting, yawn, zzzzzz.
The thing is, following good netiquette (like avoiding top posting) is a bit like holding the door open for people who are following you out of a shop - it may not be a particularly interesting subject, but when people do it, things just work that little bit better and life is just that little bit nicer for the other person.
The thing is, following good netiquette (like avoiding top posting) is a bit like holding the door open for people who are following you out of a shop - it may not be a particularly interesting subject, but when people do it, things just work that little bit better and life is just that little bit nicer for the other person.
Really doesnt make a huge difference does it ?
Theres far worse things going on in email, eg someone sending you some photos and they havent compressed them so you wonder why your emails taking forever, because some plums attached a 5 gig photo.
Or some idiot who thinks if he doesnt pass on an email to 10 of his friends that he'll have bad luck.
I normally prefer to get an email reply and not see the tons of previous replies underneath.
But doesnt bother me at the end of the day (The large attachments is still annoying though)
No wonder us computer users get a bad name ! Theres an email from some top bod at Valve answering a question about half life and people start talking how surprised they are he 'top posts' ! Bit like meeting a famous person and the first thing you think is 'oohhh he must get his socks from Tescos....' !
But as for top posting doesnt everyone do it ?
I thought most people used Outlook ? The second i click reply it makes me 'top post', been using that for the last 10 years and never had someone mention me 'top posting' !
I thought most people used Outlook ? The second i click reply it makes me 'top post', been using that for the last 10 years and never had someone mention me 'top posting' !
The thing is, following good netiquette (like avoiding top posting) is a bit like holding the door open for people who are following you out of a shop - it may not be a particularly interesting subject, but when people do it, things just work that little bit better and life is just that little bit nicer for the other person.
I think in this day and age, "good netiquette" is irrelevant as internet usage has changed from being a techy niche to a mainstream service. You might as well be trying to tell people how to write their letters or speak on the phone - it doesn't matter anymore so long as the content is understandable.
Theres far worse things going on in email, eg someone sending you some photos and they havent compressed them so you wonder why your emails taking forever, because some plums attached a 5 gig photo.
It's just manners that's all. The sin you mention often occurs because of top posting and failing to trim the previous replies. It's exactly like letting the door slam in the face of the person following you - it's not going to cause the end of the world, but it's incredibly rude. Top posting in email itself isn't something I really care about (given how so many mail clients make it impossible to do anything else), it's really the failure to trim quoted material I find rather impolite.
It's incredibly rude when people top post and fail to trim (like the vast majority of top posters do). Corporate users are the worst - they expect you to remain connected while you're on leave, but don't consider how you're now having to wait three or four minutes for an email to download on a crappy slow GPRS connection for their Urgent Technical Question Only You Can Answer, because they've forwarded something to you, and left 20 odd pieces of previous correspondence on the end including a giant PDF and half a dozen large inline images that have no bearing on the question you're being asked.
Non computer users whine often enough if people use the wrong hands when using cutlery, or when someone lets a door shut in their face. This is really no different - the top poster who invariably doesn't trim the quoted stuff (including photos) is wasting the time of the recipient. It's just manners, that's all.
Non computer users whine often enough if people use the wrong hands when using cutlery, or when someone lets a door shut in their face. This is really no different - the top poster who invariably doesn't trim the quoted stuff (including photos) is wasting the time of the recipient. It's just manners, that's all.
wtf, cuttlery, when did that become rude?
anything else i should know before i meet you at RR, which hand should i be holding a glass with? :razz:
i see what you mean about size, and attachments, but i use the email info to track back to the source, so if someone is asking me a question i can see all the relavent info.
ive only ever trimmed if there is something negative in the email, not for size. never really had text cause a problem to me, massive pic yes but never text.
It's just manners that's all. The sin you mention often occurs because of top posting and failing to trim the previous replies. It's exactly like letting the door slam in the face of the person following you - it's not going to cause the end of the world, but it's incredibly rude. Top posting in email itself isn't something I really care about (given how so many mail clients make it impossible to do anything else), it's really the failure to trim quoted material I find rather impolite.
It's incredibly rude when people top post and fail to trim (like the vast majority of top posters do). Corporate users are the worst - they expect you to remain connected while you're on leave, but don't consider how you're now having to wait three or four minutes for an email to download on a crappy slow GPRS connection for their Urgent Technical Question Only You Can Answer, because they've forwarded something to you, and left 20 odd pieces of previous correspondence on the end including a giant PDF and half a dozen large inline images that have no bearing on the question you're being asked.
Non computer users whine often enough if people use the wrong hands when using cutlery, or when someone lets a door shut in their face. This is really no different - the top poster who invariably doesn't trim the quoted stuff (including photos) is wasting the time of the recipient. It's just manners, that's all.
Just thought it was a bit odd, an email from someone from Valve and people comment on 'who would have thought he top posted?' !?
But yeah i agree, i dont like some threads from groups of people as it goes on for 20 pages below. I like receiving jokes etc but just bad when someone adds a 4 meg picture when it could have been far less if he had just saved it as a different format.
But as for top posting, granted its what i'm used to over the years but i've never found it difficult to read or get the gist of whats going on
anything else i should know before i meet you at RR, which hand should i be holding a glass with? :razz:
Just remember, it's rude to drink with your nose entering the glass! :-)
And just remember that scene from Titanic, where Jack ends up going to dinner with that posh bird and there's all that cutlery. That'll set you in good stead.
It's just manners that's all. The sin you mention often occurs because of top posting and failing to trim the previous replies. It's exactly like letting the door slam in the face of the person following you - it's not going to cause the end of the world, but it's incredibly rude. Top posting in email itself isn't something I really care about (given how so many mail clients make it impossible to do anything else), it's really the failure to trim quoted material I find rather impolite.
It's incredibly rude when people top post and fail to trim (like the vast majority of top posters do). Corporate users are the worst - they expect you to remain connected while you're on leave, but don't consider how you're now having to wait three or four minutes for an email to download on a crappy slow GPRS connection for their Urgent Technical Question Only You Can Answer, because they've forwarded something to you, and left 20 odd pieces of previous correspondence on the end including a giant PDF and half a dozen large inline images that have no bearing on the question you're being asked.
Non computer users whine often enough if people use the wrong hands when using cutlery, or when someone lets a door shut in their face. This is really no different - the top poster who invariably doesn't trim the quoted stuff (including photos) is wasting the time of the recipient. It's just manners, that's all.
Just remembered another annoyance
When some lazy idiot quotes a post but leaves the whole chunk in without taking out the bits which arent relevant. Lazy and stupid.
Ahh so the etiquette training is from 10 to 11, prior to RR.
"Always pass the Nintendo DS on the left"
"Always hold a joystick in the left hand while the game loads, then pass to the right when playing"
"When greeting with a table full of retro items always start with the oldest and work toward the newest"
Just remember, it's rude to drink with your nose entering the glass! :-)
And just remember that scene from Titanic, where Jack ends up going to dinner with that posh bird and there's all that cutlery. That'll set you in good stead.
is it?
i can see you now, you will use the wrong fish knife, then have to go outside and shoot yoursefll out of shame.
i can see you now, you will use the wrong fish knife, then have to go outside and shoot yoursefll out of shame.
I'll be nervous to drink in front of Winston when we see him this weekend. Would laugh as anything if he turns up looking like Worzel Gummidge and is then commenting on the way people are holding their glasses ! ;)
I'll be nervous to drink in front of Winston when we see him this weekend. Would laugh as anything if he turns up looking like Worzel Gummidge and is then commenting on the way people are holding their glasses ! ;)
ha ha, to be strictly fair, if you aren't properly introduced to him, then technically he isn't allowed to talk to you. it's quite a rude thing to do.
I'll be nervous to drink in front of Winston when we see him this weekend. Would laugh as anything if he turns up looking like Worzel Gummidge and is then commenting on the way people are holding their glasses ! ;)
just remembered another one: people who send html emails full of images and other crap, or mail servers that do a virus scan and append a checked message thing at the bottom!
worst case scenario: Mail gets sent, windows AV scans it and adds cruft, corporate mail server scans it and adds cruft, ISP mail server scans it and adds cruft, I open mail with one sentence and three lots of crap
Okay - overweight, pale skin, probably a virgin, dont like any music past 1990, drinks bitter or guiness, goes mental if someone mentions how good Windows XP is. ;)
Look, I can't help that, everyone in the island is so white they look ill after this excuse for a "summer" (which turned out to be a slightly warmer and wetter version of winter).
Look, I can't help that, everyone in the island is so white they look ill after this excuse for a "summer" (which turned out to be a slightly warmer and wetter version of winter).
I've got a slight bit of colour as i've just come back off holiday but its embarassing the first day in Spain, looked like casper the ghost when i first got there. Later in the week it was funny playing 'spot the brits' as you had the usual red lobster ones who didnt put on enough sun tan lotion or the newbies who had just turned up who were white
Later in the week it was funny playing 'spot the brits' as you had the usual red lobster ones who didnt put on enough sun tan lotion or the newbies who had just turned up who were white
I've got a slight bit of colour as i've just come back off holiday but its embarassing the first day in Spain, looked like casper the ghost when i first got there
Oh good grief, I saw a real case of almost certain incipient severe sunburn this summer... a redhead girl going into the sea in Ibiza who was whiter than fine bone china. Factor 1,000,000 sunblock wouldn't have been enough...
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The thing is, following good netiquette (like avoiding top posting) is a bit like holding the door open for people who are following you out of a shop - it may not be a particularly interesting subject, but when people do it, things just work that little bit better and life is just that little bit nicer for the other person.
Really doesnt make a huge difference does it ?
Theres far worse things going on in email, eg someone sending you some photos and they havent compressed them so you wonder why your emails taking forever, because some plums attached a 5 gig photo.
Or some idiot who thinks if he doesnt pass on an email to 10 of his friends that he'll have bad luck.
I normally prefer to get an email reply and not see the tons of previous replies underneath.
But doesnt bother me at the end of the day (The large attachments is still annoying though)
No wonder us computer users get a bad name ! Theres an email from some top bod at Valve answering a question about half life and people start talking how surprised they are he 'top posts' ! Bit like meeting a famous person and the first thing you think is 'oohhh he must get his socks from Tescos....' !
But as for top posting doesnt everyone do it ?
I thought most people used Outlook ? The second i click reply it makes me 'top post', been using that for the last 10 years and never had someone mention me 'top posting' !
me too, never heard the like!!!
I think in this day and age, "good netiquette" is irrelevant as internet usage has changed from being a techy niche to a mainstream service. You might as well be trying to tell people how to write their letters or speak on the phone - it doesn't matter anymore so long as the content is understandable.
It's just manners that's all. The sin you mention often occurs because of top posting and failing to trim the previous replies. It's exactly like letting the door slam in the face of the person following you - it's not going to cause the end of the world, but it's incredibly rude. Top posting in email itself isn't something I really care about (given how so many mail clients make it impossible to do anything else), it's really the failure to trim quoted material I find rather impolite.
It's incredibly rude when people top post and fail to trim (like the vast majority of top posters do). Corporate users are the worst - they expect you to remain connected while you're on leave, but don't consider how you're now having to wait three or four minutes for an email to download on a crappy slow GPRS connection for their Urgent Technical Question Only You Can Answer, because they've forwarded something to you, and left 20 odd pieces of previous correspondence on the end including a giant PDF and half a dozen large inline images that have no bearing on the question you're being asked.
Non computer users whine often enough if people use the wrong hands when using cutlery, or when someone lets a door shut in their face. This is really no different - the top poster who invariably doesn't trim the quoted stuff (including photos) is wasting the time of the recipient. It's just manners, that's all.
wtf, cuttlery, when did that become rude?
anything else i should know before i meet you at RR, which hand should i be holding a glass with? :razz:
i see what you mean about size, and attachments, but i use the email info to track back to the source, so if someone is asking me a question i can see all the relavent info.
ive only ever trimmed if there is something negative in the email, not for size. never really had text cause a problem to me, massive pic yes but never text.
Just thought it was a bit odd, an email from someone from Valve and people comment on 'who would have thought he top posted?' !?
But yeah i agree, i dont like some threads from groups of people as it goes on for 20 pages below. I like receiving jokes etc but just bad when someone adds a 4 meg picture when it could have been far less if he had just saved it as a different format.
But as for top posting, granted its what i'm used to over the years but i've never found it difficult to read or get the gist of whats going on
Just remember, it's rude to drink with your nose entering the glass! :-)
And just remember that scene from Titanic, where Jack ends up going to dinner with that posh bird and there's all that cutlery. That'll set you in good stead.
Just remembered another annoyance
When some lazy idiot quotes a post but leaves the whole chunk in without taking out the bits which arent relevant. Lazy and stupid.
"Always pass the Nintendo DS on the left"
"Always hold a joystick in the left hand while the game loads, then pass to the right when playing"
"When greeting with a table full of retro items always start with the oldest and work toward the newest"
etc :p
is it?
i can see you now, you will use the wrong fish knife, then have to go outside and shoot yoursefll out of shame.
I'll be nervous to drink in front of Winston when we see him this weekend. Would laugh as anything if he turns up looking like Worzel Gummidge and is then commenting on the way people are holding their glasses ! ;)
ha ha, to be strictly fair, if you aren't properly introduced to him, then technically he isn't allowed to talk to you. it's quite a rude thing to do.
I *am* a Unix hacker, you know.
Draw from that what conclusions you will...
that said I have thunderbird to bottom post by default of course!
worst case scenario: Mail gets sent, windows AV scans it and adds cruft, corporate mail server scans it and adds cruft, ISP mail server scans it and adds cruft, I open mail with one sentence and three lots of crap
Okay - overweight, pale skin, probably a virgin, dont like any music past 1990, drinks bitter or guiness, goes mental if someone mentions how good Windows XP is. ;)
Look, I can't help that, everyone in the island is so white they look ill after this excuse for a "summer" (which turned out to be a slightly warmer and wetter version of winter).
I've got a slight bit of colour as i've just come back off holiday but its embarassing the first day in Spain, looked like casper the ghost when i first got there. Later in the week it was funny playing 'spot the brits' as you had the usual red lobster ones who didnt put on enough sun tan lotion or the newbies who had just turned up who were white
you can do that in bradford.
(that was a joke, don't ban me)
Oh good grief, I saw a real case of almost certain incipient severe sunburn this summer... a redhead girl going into the sea in Ibiza who was whiter than fine bone china. Factor 1,000,000 sunblock wouldn't have been enough...