Hmmm. Similar flavour to Voyage of the Damned - didn't really go for it, although the storyline was OK. No excitement until the tail end, though. The Doctor becoming a vengeful god might make a good three-parter.
I thought it was brilliant. Strong story (I've thought for ages they should do a story about something terrible that happens in the future where the Doctor can't intervene), strong performances (especially Lyndsey Duncan), proper creepy monsters, good air of mystery and very strong "character" stuff, especially the end.
A really strong scene was the bit where the Doctor was walking away from Bowie Base and hearing all the panic and death in his headset and trying to ignore it.
I quite enjoyed it. I liked the way the Doctor turned at the end, but they should have left it just before he got the "guilt" trip about what he had done. That would have made the wait for the next part alittle more interesting, but, as the teaser for the next episode showed, it looks like he's going back to visit his old companions again (Cathrine Tate was in the trailer). I for one am looking forward to the new Doctor and another fresh start as they seem to be getting a little too cocky with themselves at the moment.
A pretty good set and some good acting. I liked the water pouring out of the mouths and sleeves, but it doesn't add up. Where in the body is it all coming from? Why do their mouths look dry and cracked? If they want to get rid of that much water, why don't they just piss themselves? (Austin Powers was just on the other side...) Why do they want Earth and all its water when they seem to have so much they can piss it all over the deck? Why leave out a filter then use the water in the first place? Why not look to see if the other filters are filtering anything out first?
Then we have the Doctor landing on Mars at just the right time, but not knowing where he is or what day it is. Yet later on he manages to move the Tardis twice exactly how he wants it when it suits the story. And if he's going to save those people, why not just drop them off later in time where they won't be able to muck about with their own immediate history? Thingy could just meet up with her own granddaughter years later. When did "Doctor Who" become "Mister Twat"?
Still, it was a Russell T Davies episode, and he did manage to get a gay marriage reference in there even on somewhere as remote as the first human settlement on Mars. What a writer.
A pretty good set and some good acting. I liked the water pouring out of the mouths and sleeves, but it doesn't add up. Where in the body is it all coming from? Why do their mouths look dry and cracked? If they want to get rid of that much water, why don't they just piss themselves? (Austin Powers was just on the other side...) Why do they want Earth and all its water when they seem to have so much they can piss it all over the deck? Why leave out a filter then use the water in the first place? Why not look to see if the other filters are filtering anything out first?
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My reaction to the issues with the "water monsters" was "just because". They were never fully explained anyway, in fact it was part of the story that no one really knew about or understood what happened in Bowie Base that lead to its destruction and the Doctor was included in that general ignorance, as he admitted.
Then we have the Doctor landing on Mars at just the right time, but not knowing where he is or what day it is. Yet later on he manages to move the Tardis twice exactly how he wants it when it suits the story. And if he's going to save those people, why not just drop them off later in time where they won't be able to muck about with their own immediate history? Thingy could just meet up with her own granddaughter years later. When did "Doctor Who" become "Mister Twat"?
Still, it was a Russell T Davies episode, and he did manage to get a gay marriage reference in there even on somewhere as remote as the first human settlement on Mars. What a writer.
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The Doctor always lands at the right time, it's a series constant :P. And he did know what day and time it was - 21st November 2059, remember? He knew when the accident happened and when the base was destroyed.
As for the "mucking about with history" he was doing that to prove a point, the very one that made him turn back. Someone asked on another forum why the Doctor didn't rescue them then deposit them in the far future. The whole point was that he wanted to mess with the original timeline as much as possible. Adelade knew what he was doing and deliberately set it back to normal as much as possible in defiance of him.
I loved it - and looking forward to the return of The Master.
Gonna be stuck to the couch this Xmas for that episode.
Did anyone spot the K9 reference? Oh, how I chuckled. Loved the way the Doc turned at the end - Badass!!!
NOT looking forward to the new Doctor though. Tennant is a LEGEND and he's totally made the role HIS now. The Doctor has been getting younger and younger since the first, and I'm going to find it hard to accept this young whipper-snapper as the last remaining time-lord.
I thought Sylvester McCoy was good as Doctor Who. Unfortunately some of those stories used some truly awful models and effects that would have looked cheesy in the 60s. They should at least have been able to pull off some of the quality of the Cushing movies in a TV series by then. It's taken this long just to get Cribbins back. Lets have giant Wombles as the next enemy, eh?
Zagreb - I don't need reminding of points that were over-explained by the over-acting. And no, he didn't know when it was until he was told. He knew when it was supposed to blow up, but he didn't know he'd arrived on exactly that day because he looked all surprised when they told him and immediately tried to scarper.
I thought Sylvester McCoy was good as Doctor Who. Unfortunately some of those stories used some truly awful models and effects that would have looked cheesy in the 60s. They should at least have been able to pull off some of the quality of the Cushing movies in a TV series by then.
The main problem with the McCoy era Dr Who is that the BBC just lost interest in it and he was let down by some very poor stories and huge budget cuts. Just compare one of his early stories (say, Rememberence of the Darleks) with one of the last ones (Ghost Light/Survival) and see the difference. I feel that McCoy is being made a scapegoat really as I really liked him!
but they should have left it just before he got the "guilt" trip about what he had done.
Totally agree about that, the Dr's " i'm king of the world " arrogance at the end would have been a brilliant cliffhanger. Its always made me wonder why the writers don't actually write a Dr who is afraid of dying, i thought at the end that was the way it was going go to go.
I like McCoy as well. A very underated Dr if you ask me...
The main problem with the McCoy era Dr Who is that the BBC just lost interest in it and he was let down by some very poor stories and huge budget cuts. Just compare one of his early stories (say, Rememberence of the Darleks) with one of the last ones (Ghost Light/Survival) and see the difference. I feel that McCoy is being made a scapegoat really as I really liked him!
I seem to remember that during the McCoy era the BBC were basically trying to kill the show off through bad scheduling and executive disinterest. It was moved from its traditional Saturday evening slot at "teatime" (ie around 5pm) to half seven on a weeknight (Thursdays, I seem to recall) and scheduled opposite Coronation Street, one of the most popular shows on television at the time. McCoy was also saddled with some terrible stories in his first season ("Time and the Rani", his first serial, is still notorious for its badness). It didn't help that McCoy wasn't the best actor and played the Doctor as a "comical" clownish figure for the 1987 season. Things improved later on, though. McCoy started playing the Doctor as rather more serious and, importantly, as a manipulative and even malicious character (Tennant's tenth Doctor in his darker moments owes a lot to McCoy's seventh in this regard) and he had some good stories. Despite what you say "Remembrance..." is a great dalek story (and the first with "proper" weapons effects for the evil pepperpots) and "Ghost Light" (which I re-watched recently having not seen it since 1988 ) is a terrific, if rather complex, story and a great example of what can be done with a limited budget and a lot of imagination.
Despite what you say "Remembrance..." is a great dalek story (and the first with "proper" weapons effects for the evil pepperpots) and "Ghost Light" (which I re-watched recently having not seen it since 1988 ) is a terrific, if rather complex, story and a great example of what can be done with a limited budget and a lot of imagination.
Rememberence was a very good story and Iquite enjoy that one, but Ghost Light I just don't egt. I hated it. I found the story to be very confusing (it was only watching the documentary that I was able to work out what was going on) and the acting was simply aweful in places. The main dude (I couldn't tell you who he was. The grey bloke with the stupid costume) was just so anoying and pooly acted that it totally ruined it for me.
I only just realised how smoking hot Sophie Aldred was as Ace, I always thought she was a bit well stereotypically dykey, and not just in Dr. Who? But she's actually really nice looking I wouldn't say no at all :D
I only just realised how smoking hot Sophie Aldred was as Ace, I always thought she was a bit well stereotypically dykey, and not just in Dr. Who? But she's actually really nice looking I wouldn't say no at all :D
Very nice looking in real life too, she came to the Liongate studios in Brighton to film the Dalek episode where the Daleks first learned to climb the stairs ( Rememberance of the Daleks ). The telepad which they appeared on didn`t look at all bad in the show, but in real life it was a shabby chipboard hack and slash job covered in blackboard paint. There is nothing like going to work one morning and walking past a small open cupboard door and coming face to face with a Dalek, blows your mind ! John Pertwee came there to film a pilot for a new space show, his performance was TERRIBLE, by that time he was a bumbly old man who was as convincing an actor as I am ! That was in 1988.
I`ve just been taking to someone about the old days at Liongate studio and he asked me if I had heard the news about Catherine tate being the new doctor. He wouldnt say more apart from the fact that some of the filming is already done and dusted ! I don`t know if there has been any mention of this on the internet or whether or not he has his usual amount of BBC inside info !
I`ve just been taking to someone about the old days at Liongate studio and he asked me if I had heard the news about Catherine tate being the new doctor. He wouldnt say more apart from the fact that some of the filming is already done and dusted ! I don`t know if there has been any mention of this on the internet or whether or not he has his usual amount of BBC inside info !
Could be another offshoot of the Doctordonna syndrome.
Back to Waters of Mars, I liked it, but thought it was a bit low-budget. Needed better sets, a cooler robot and less running up and down corridors.
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What a silly cow to commit suicide at the end. No one will care about what she did now! While she was alive, she still had a chance to guide the future to its intended outcome.
Could be another offshoot of the Doctordonna syndrome.
Back to Waters of Mars, I liked it, but thought it was a bit low-budget. Needed better sets, a cooler robot and less running up and down corridors.
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What a silly cow to commit suicide at the end. No one will care about what she did now! While she was alive, she still had a chance to guide the future to its intended outcome.
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You've missed the point. By dying she HAS guided the future in the correct way. Her death helped inspire her granddaughter in both versions of the timeline. And as the Doctor said, it was a fixed point in time so it had to happen.
You've missed the point. By dying she HAS guided the future in the correct way. Her death helped inspire her granddaughter in both versions of the timeline. And as the Doctor said, it was a fixed point in time so it had to happen.
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No, I knew she had to die, but surely the manner or mystery of her death is more important. Has a suicide ever inspired anyone in history? Me is sleepy and can't think of any at the moment. It seems unlikely.
Could be another offshoot of the Doctordonna syndrome.
He says that there is a ring which Donna has which plays a large part in the story, there are connections to the Oode, but mainly it has a pivotal story around the Trickster and his minions, it appears that Donna has not been all that she seems for a while ! They have been brought togeather for the big Doctor-Donna-Master showdown.
Should I watch it? It is not aimed at me. I like sci-fi fictions but I am an oldish man and not a paedo.
RTD has stated that it's for "children and adults" and that he sees the audience as very wide-ranging and tries to keep them all happy (he's even pretty-much on-record as saying he hasn't targetted it at sci-fi fans specifically). So of course it's for you, the same as it's for ten year olds with toy daleks and teenage girls who fancy David Tennant.
No, I knew she had to die, but surely the manner or mystery of her death is more important. Has a suicide ever inspired anyone in history? Me is sleepy and can't think of any at the moment. It seems unlikely.
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Her colleagues go on record as saying she rescued them all from Bowie Base athough they don't explain how they got home and we can presume they take that secret with them to the grave. Whatever, Adelade still goes down in history as a hero. I do think, though, that the idea that her thinking her suicide would leave history the same as her dying on the Mars base was a bit of a logic hole but I'm willing to forgive it.
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A really strong scene was the bit where the Doctor was walking away from Bowie Base and hearing all the panic and death in his headset and trying to ignore it.
A good episode though.
Plus it'll be repeated to buggery on BBC1 and BBC3 no doubt.
A pretty good set and some good acting. I liked the water pouring out of the mouths and sleeves, but it doesn't add up. Where in the body is it all coming from? Why do their mouths look dry and cracked? If they want to get rid of that much water, why don't they just piss themselves? (Austin Powers was just on the other side...) Why do they want Earth and all its water when they seem to have so much they can piss it all over the deck? Why leave out a filter then use the water in the first place? Why not look to see if the other filters are filtering anything out first?
Then we have the Doctor landing on Mars at just the right time, but not knowing where he is or what day it is. Yet later on he manages to move the Tardis twice exactly how he wants it when it suits the story. And if he's going to save those people, why not just drop them off later in time where they won't be able to muck about with their own immediate history? Thingy could just meet up with her own granddaughter years later. When did "Doctor Who" become "Mister Twat"?
Still, it was a Russell T Davies episode, and he did manage to get a gay marriage reference in there even on somewhere as remote as the first human settlement on Mars. What a writer.
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As for the "mucking about with history" he was doing that to prove a point, the very one that made him turn back. Someone asked on another forum why the Doctor didn't rescue them then deposit them in the far future. The whole point was that he wanted to mess with the original timeline as much as possible. Adelade knew what he was doing and deliberately set it back to normal as much as possible in defiance of him.
Then it's onto the 7th Doctor the one nobody but me liked! Yes that's right McCoy! :p
I'll get around to that numpty from shallow grave and that twat with the boyband haircut eventually.
I'm only almost 6 years behind now :D
Gonna be stuck to the couch this Xmas for that episode.
Did anyone spot the K9 reference? Oh, how I chuckled. Loved the way the Doc turned at the end - Badass!!!
NOT looking forward to the new Doctor though. Tennant is a LEGEND and he's totally made the role HIS now. The Doctor has been getting younger and younger since the first, and I'm going to find it hard to accept this young whipper-snapper as the last remaining time-lord.
Well, I suppose time will tell.
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They said that about Christopher Ecclestone, and now it's "Christopher who?"
Zagreb - I don't need reminding of points that were over-explained by the over-acting. And no, he didn't know when it was until he was told. He knew when it was supposed to blow up, but he didn't know he'd arrived on exactly that day because he looked all surprised when they told him and immediately tried to scarper.
- IONIAN-GAMES.com -
I like McCoy as well. A very underated Dr if you ask me...
The main problem with the McCoy era Dr Who is that the BBC just lost interest in it and he was let down by some very poor stories and huge budget cuts. Just compare one of his early stories (say, Rememberence of the Darleks) with one of the last ones (Ghost Light/Survival) and see the difference. I feel that McCoy is being made a scapegoat really as I really liked him!
Totally agree about that, the Dr's " i'm king of the world " arrogance at the end would have been a brilliant cliffhanger. Its always made me wonder why the writers don't actually write a Dr who is afraid of dying, i thought at the end that was the way it was going go to go.
Please no no no, don't even think such terrible thoughts :)
I seem to remember that during the McCoy era the BBC were basically trying to kill the show off through bad scheduling and executive disinterest. It was moved from its traditional Saturday evening slot at "teatime" (ie around 5pm) to half seven on a weeknight (Thursdays, I seem to recall) and scheduled opposite Coronation Street, one of the most popular shows on television at the time. McCoy was also saddled with some terrible stories in his first season ("Time and the Rani", his first serial, is still notorious for its badness). It didn't help that McCoy wasn't the best actor and played the Doctor as a "comical" clownish figure for the 1987 season. Things improved later on, though. McCoy started playing the Doctor as rather more serious and, importantly, as a manipulative and even malicious character (Tennant's tenth Doctor in his darker moments owes a lot to McCoy's seventh in this regard) and he had some good stories. Despite what you say "Remembrance..." is a great dalek story (and the first with "proper" weapons effects for the evil pepperpots) and "Ghost Light" (which I re-watched recently having not seen it since 1988 ) is a terrific, if rather complex, story and a great example of what can be done with a limited budget and a lot of imagination.
Rememberence was a very good story and Iquite enjoy that one, but Ghost Light I just don't egt. I hated it. I found the story to be very confusing (it was only watching the documentary that I was able to work out what was going on) and the acting was simply aweful in places. The main dude (I couldn't tell you who he was. The grey bloke with the stupid costume) was just so anoying and pooly acted that it totally ruined it for me.
I only just realised how smoking hot Sophie Aldred was as Ace, I always thought she was a bit well stereotypically dykey, and not just in Dr. Who? But she's actually really nice looking I wouldn't say no at all :D
Very nice looking in real life too, she came to the Liongate studios in Brighton to film the Dalek episode where the Daleks first learned to climb the stairs ( Rememberance of the Daleks ). The telepad which they appeared on didn`t look at all bad in the show, but in real life it was a shabby chipboard hack and slash job covered in blackboard paint. There is nothing like going to work one morning and walking past a small open cupboard door and coming face to face with a Dalek, blows your mind ! John Pertwee came there to film a pilot for a new space show, his performance was TERRIBLE, by that time he was a bumbly old man who was as convincing an actor as I am ! That was in 1988.
Could be another offshoot of the Doctordonna syndrome.
Back to Waters of Mars, I liked it, but thought it was a bit low-budget. Needed better sets, a cooler robot and less running up and down corridors.
He says that there is a ring which Donna has which plays a large part in the story, there are connections to the Oode, but mainly it has a pivotal story around the Trickster and his minions, it appears that Donna has not been all that she seems for a while ! They have been brought togeather for the big Doctor-Donna-Master showdown.
Should I watch it? It is not aimed at me. I like sci-fi fictions but I am an oldish man and not a paedo.
RTD has stated that it's for "children and adults" and that he sees the audience as very wide-ranging and tries to keep them all happy (he's even pretty-much on-record as saying he hasn't targetted it at sci-fi fans specifically). So of course it's for you, the same as it's for ten year olds with toy daleks and teenage girls who fancy David Tennant.