To bobs, andrew rollings, psj etc

edited December 2009 in Chit chat
hi folks,
yes I'm a bit hyper today, don't know why.

I apologise to you bobs for getting your thread closed, I'll try not to do that again. :-o

sorry Andrew for causing you to shut down the thread. if we can discuss religion without me being called anal, or something, I'm quite happy to discuss. for some reason that just gets my fuse blown :)
thanks for listening!
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  • edited December 2009
    I suggest we let everyone celebrate this time of year how they wish, and leave religion out of it. It's about celebrating what is good in life, not bickering over technicalities.
  • edited December 2009
    Hugs all around!
  • edited December 2009
    NickH wrote: »
    I suggest we let everyone celebrate this time of year how they wish, and leave religion out of it. It's about celebrating what is good in life, not bickering over technicalities.
    Erm... isn't religion what Christmas is all about or have you forgotten the true meaning of Christmas...
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • edited December 2009
    karingal wrote: »
    Erm... isn't religion what Christmas is all about or have you forgotten the true meaning of Christmas...

    If I can say just one more thing...I don't mind people celebrating a ZX Christmas, I just didn't like replacing Christ in it.

    We now return you to your scheduled program!
  • edited December 2009
    karingal wrote: »
    Erm... isn't religion what Christmas is all about or have you forgotten the true meaning of Christmas...

    I think this is the less used comical stand point known as Irahnie or somthing?? :lol:
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  • edited December 2009
    karingal wrote: »
    Erm... isn't religion what Christmas is all about or have you forgotten the true meaning of Christmas...

    I said celebrate this part of the year the way you want to celebrate it...
  • edited December 2009
    TBH, I can see where Guy is coming from and is probably as much to do with the world abbreviating everything as much as anything else.

    From my own point of view though I 'm not particularly religious it would be nice if people kept the true (religious) meaning in the back of their mind and at least enjoyed it in the traditional spirit (i.e. giving and recieving).

    Smiles all round...
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • edited December 2009
    Apology accepted. It's supposed to be the season of goodwill, and people choose to celebrate different things. Each person should be free to celebrate how he chooses - religious or not - without fear of criticism, ridicule and/or attack. Even on WoS.

    Andrew
  • edited December 2009
    I'll get back to coding a [strike]Xmas[/strike] Christmas Spud...
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • edited December 2009
    since karingal doesn't like hugs, it's spuds all round! (and if I ever write an emulator, I'll call it Carrott!)
  • edited December 2009
    karingal wrote: »
    Erm... isn't religion what Christmas is all about or have you forgotten the true meaning of Christmas...

    IIRC it was originally from the pagan solstice festivals (I guess that's religion, but not the usual one that it's associated with it). The Christians simply pulled a smart PR move - the pagans weren't going to get converted very easily if they had to get rid of their boozy winter solstice festival. So it got hijacked.
  • edited December 2009
    Winston wrote: »
    IIRC it was originally from the pagan solstice festivals (I guess that's religion, but not the usual one that it's associated with it). The Christians simply pulled a smart PR move - the pagans weren't going to get converted very easily if they had to get rid of their boozy winter solstice festival. So it got hijacked.

    Hence the continued symbolism of holly, trees, mistletoe and the colours of red and green being associated with the winter solstice - December 21st, the shortest day of the year. In fact, I remember when I was a kid it was always the fairy on top of the tree... that seems to have morphed into an angel or a star these days.

    Andrew
  • edited December 2009
    what did I miss?
  • edited December 2009
    karingal wrote: »
    Erm... isn't religion what Christmas is all about or have you forgotten the true meaning of Christmas...
    I thought it was a traditional and important midwinter gathering of kith and kin that was adopted into the Christian calendar when St Augustine was sent by Gregory the Great to unite and standardise the various Celtic and Roman styled early Christian sects of Britain in 597 AD, specifically by converting the Saxon Kings of southern England. Up until then it wasn't the hugely important feast to Christians that it is today. Now you still have the distinction that Easter is, officially, the most important event in the Christian calendar, effectively it's 'New Year', despite all the fuss still made at Christmas. But I could be wrong. Still, I wouldn't begrudge anyone coming together with friends and family at this time because they're not doing it 'in the name of Christ'. I would further postulate that insisting on the literal meaning of Christmas over its spiritual significance is not a particularly Christian approach.
    Joefish
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  • edited December 2009
    joefish wrote: »
    Still, I wouldn't begrudge anyone coming together with friends and family at this time because they're not doing it 'in the name of Christ'.
    Flamewar starter...
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  • edited December 2009
    thx1138 wrote: »
    what did I miss?


    a bit of a 'discussion' about the use/missuse of this festive time of year.
  • edited December 2009
    BiNMaN wrote: »
    a bit of a 'discussion' about the use/missuse of this festive time of year.

    That got quickly shut down by a debonair, handsome and generally on-the-ball moderator :)

    Andrew
  • edited December 2009
    That got quickly shut down by a debonair, handsome and generally on-the-ball moderator :)

    Andrew
    Lee??
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • edited December 2009
    karingal wrote: »
    Lee??

    Nope. I forestalled your 'oh-so-smart' reply with my super-secret hidden edit comment.

    So neh!

    Andrew
  • edited December 2009
    Nope. I forestalled your 'oh-so-smart' reply with my super-secret hidden edit comment.

    So neh!

    Andrew

    By a whole seven minutes ... not bad.

    What's tomorrow's lotto numbers?
  • edited December 2009
    BiNMaN wrote: »
    a bit of a 'discussion' about the use/missuse of this festive time of year.

    So I do Christmas once in a while, I can handle it.
  • edited December 2009
    Nope. I forestalled your 'oh-so-smart' reply with my super-secret hidden edit comment.

    So neh!

    Andrew
    Hmmm

    *goes to check out his own moderator privileges and options*
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  • edited December 2009
    Errr... You do know where Xmas comes from?

    The "X" in Xmas is from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of Χριστός, Christ in Greek.

    Today, with knowledge of classical languages being less widespread than formerly, some erroneously believe that the term Xmas is part of an effort to "take Christ out of Christmas" or to literally "cross out Christ"; it is seen as evidence of the secularization of Christmas, as a symptom of the commercialization of the holiday (as the abbreviation has long been used by retailers).

    Happy athiest signing out.
  • edited December 2009
    MakeBelieveMas will always mean one thing to me: Noel Edmunds up the Telecom Tower, sending a three legged kid to Lapland.

    Now that was telly.
  • edited December 2009
    ZnorXman wrote: »
    by a whole seven minutes ... Not bad.

    What's tomorrow's lotto numbers?

    7 25 28 35 37 45 8
  • edited December 2009
    The christians (of which I am certainly not) are being the beautiful people at christmas.
  • edited December 2009
    thx1138 wrote: »
    So I do Christmas once in a while, I can handle it.

    does that come in a wrap? or a bar?
  • edited December 2009
    joefish wrote: »
    I thought it was a traditional and important midwinter gathering of kith and kin that was adopted into the Christian calendar when St Augustine was sent by Gregory the Great to unite and standardise the various Celtic and Roman styled early Christian sects of Britain in 597 AD, specifically by converting the Saxon Kings of southern England. Up until then it wasn't the hugely important feast to Christians that it is today. Now you still have the distinction that Easter is, officially, the most important event in the Christian calendar, effectively it's 'New Year', despite all the fuss still made at Christmas. But I could be wrong. Still, I wouldn't begrudge anyone coming together with friends and family at this time because they're not doing it 'in the name of Christ'. I would further postulate that insisting on the literal meaning of Christmas over its spiritual significance is not a particularly Christian approach.

    Wasnt it all down to Emperor constantine and his vision of a united Rome. Didnt he basicaly make rome a christian empire to try and consolidate a divided people. I think some of the more extreme pagan religions had been outlawed for a long time and i know caesar got fed up with them messing around with the callendar so there days were numbered anyway. But he wasnt stupid enough to get rid of all the partying.
  • edited December 2009
    Originally Posted by Womble
    Errr... You do know where Xmas comes from?

    The "X" in Xmas is from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of Χριστός, Christ in Greek.

    Today, with knowledge of classical languages being less widespread than formerly, some erroneously believe that the term Xmas is part of an effort to "take Christ out of Christmas" or to literally "cross out Christ"; it is seen as evidence of the secularization of Christmas, as a symptom of the commercialization of the holiday (as the abbreviation has long been used by retailers).

    Happy athiest signing out.
    Dunny pointed this out earlier today but he EDITed it away

    Having done the research on Christmas myself (others have pointed this very same research earlier today), and as a follower of Christ (i.e. I consider myself to be a Christian) I do not participate in either Xmas nor Christmas, and I have recently also resolved in my heart not to participate in birthdays either as I consider them not to be compatible with Christianity, due to the origin of both (birthdays and Christmas). Easter? I do not participate in that either though I do recognize the tremendous importance (to me) of Jesus' resurrection. Rabbits have nothing to do with Christianity.

    So, there ... you may remember that I used to be one of the first to start threads on WoSser's birthdays but I have discontinued that practice.

    I am not offended that others continue these celebrations, I thoroughly believe in "free-will" ... and I hope that I do not offend other Christians here nor religion-free WoSsers alike, with my standpoint.

    [/out-of-the-(non-mainstream)Christian-closet]
  • edited December 2009
    ZnorXman wrote: »
    Easter? I do not participate in that either though I do recognize the tremendous importance (to me) of Jesus' resurrection. Rabbits have nothing to do with Christianity.

    They f*ck like crazy at that time of year, moreso than usual. This symbolises... something about Jesus, I'm not sure what.

    D.
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