I have recently also resolved in my heart not to participate in birthdays either as I consider them not to be compatible with Christianity, due to the origin of both (birthdays and Christmas).
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Really the only acceptable form is Cristes m?sse; Christmas is just an ugly abbreviation with a life-belittling effect on everyone who even contemplates using it as a word.
can't we all just be freinds and celebrate christmas for what it truely means, peace and love to our fellow man. i mean not to people of other faiths, they have their own holidays. you know you make a choice and you have to live with it, you can't have both. so lets all get together (with the obvious exceptions) and celebrate jesus's birthday. ok i know its not his actual birthday, but last year my birthday was on a monday and i celebrated it on the following saturday. it just seemed a bit more convienient for everone. and the queen has two birthdays, her official one and a drinking one. can't see why jesus can't have two, i mean he was the son of god. ok his pic isn't on stamps, but it could be if we all write to gordon brown.
Wasnt it all down to Emperor constantine and his vision of a united Rome. Didnt he basicaly make rome a christian empire to try and consolidate a divided people. I think some of the more extreme pagan religions had been outlawed for a long time and i know caesar got fed up with them messing around with the callendar so there days were numbered anyway. But he wasnt stupid enough to get rid of all the partying.
It was the early Roman church, the Emperor and Pope together, that moved to strictly define the Christian calendar and use it to unite and expand their rule. But Rome was on the wane by then so at the time it didn't manage to dominate the full extent of the classical Roman Empire.
Most of the more arcane traditions were absorbed from other Pagan and Christian / Pseudo-Christian sects as the Roman Church made a later push to expand their stricture and influence from country to country. As another example, monasticism was a Greek idea, not Roman. And none of these are a patch on the things that got subsumed into South American Christianity in the following millenium. The idea of a big winter solstice knees-up came from Britain, though that was Saxon tradition imported from northern Europe. There was no such thing across Mediterranean Europe, and the Romans never fared too well in the colder north were it really originated.
They f*ck like crazy at that time of year, moreso than usual. This symbolises... something about Jesus, I'm not sure what.
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That's completely absurd, given Jesus was a Jew and the Jews did not practice multiple partners in the first century! Plus Jesus was most likely not married - his ministry was a commitment to God and the church is called his bride in Revelation.
That's completely absurd, given Jesus was a Jew and the Jews did not practice multiple partners in the first century! Plus Jesus was most likely not married - his ministry was a commitment to God and the church is called his bride in Revelation.
he was a joiner though, and you know what they're like. :p
That's completely absurd, given Jesus was a Jew and the Jews did not practice multiple partners in the first century! Plus Jesus was most likely not married - his ministry was a commitment to God and the church is called his bride in Revelation.
Quite possibly the rabbit thing is another old rural symbol of new life in the Spring, like eggs, quite adeptly paralleled with the resurrection, so long as you don't persue the concept too far and ask why dead rabbits don't get up again...
Quite possibly the rabbit thing is another old rural symbol of new life in the Spring, quite adeptly paralleled with the resurrection, so long as you don't persue the concept too far and ask why dead rabbits don't get up again...
The resurrection has nothing to do with this. It is more likely connectable with the vision of the dead men coming to life again in Ezekiel 37, or perhaps with the 'sacrifice' of Abraham and Isaac (where Isaac returns from the sacrifice!)
The resurrection has nothing to do with this. It is more likely connectable with the vision of the dead men coming to life again in Ezekiel 37, or perhaps with the 'sacrifice' of Abraham and Isaac (where Isaac returns from the sacrifice!)
I was pointing out the reasoning for how the more relaxed sects of the Christian church adapt the popular symbology of rabbits and eggs into their teachings at Easter. I have no idea where you're going with what you're saying - neither of those events have fixed dates in the calendar, and, the resurrection is also referenced a tad more directly in the Gospels.
yes there's Jonah and the whale, thanks for the reminder! But I wanted to show the resurrection is related to Old Testament rather than pagan concepts!
yes there's Jonah and the whale, thanks for the reminder! But I wanted to show the resurrection is related to Old Testament rather than pagan concepts!
I never tried to claim the origin of the resurrection in the Gospels was pagan - just that its celebration in British culture subsumed some pre-existing pagan tradition and symbology - just as the common celebration of Christmas has.
Oh oh this is heading down a rocky road again ! Started off okay with a 'kinda' apology.
If people want to call it Christmas, then fair enough, if people want to call it Xmas, WOSmas, psj3809mas or whatever they want depending on what their beliefs are - again fair enough, if atheiests want to call it 'Holiday festival' or something else then fair enough, we're all different.
If someone starts forcing something down your throat and its their way or nothing then no no no no ! (Just as I wont force it down their throat that I call it Xmas or 'holiday season'). To think this all started off with someone being kind and giving a game away and jokingly putting WOSmas.
maybe I didn't understand yesterday that 'WOSmas' was jokey.
Why cant i defend my belief in non-religion then ? I dont get upset when someone calls it Christmas just like i dont get upset when someone calls it a different name.
You seriously didnt understand that WOSmas was jokey ? Oh come on, you must be an intelligent guy, how the hell did you not see the harmless joke? Someone giving a Speccy game away free at WOS as its Christmas/Xmas/whatever and jokingly put WOSmas. Thats quite shocking you didnt understand that joke, quite worrying in fact.
If that upsets you and you dont understand that you must have a helluva stressful life when you walk down city centres and see any non-religious mention of Xmas or its festivals.
I'm not religious one bit but I dont get upset even when I walk past a church and see a sign basically say i wont go to heaven if i dont follow God etc. We all have our own beliefs, 'some' have much stronger beliefs than others but should appreciate not everyone is so religious as themselves.
Its views like this which put me off religion even more.
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So you aren't getting any older? You might have discovered the secret of eternal youth here....
You do realise that 'anal' is a Freudian term meaning meticulous/pedantic, right?
from anally retentive, i believe.
Personally, I think Freud was talking out of his arse 20% of the time (stage 2 of 5) :D
Andrew
:D
Shhh! ... I was going to keep the secret to myself but you just had to go and blab! :grin:
That's not what my internet says. ;-)
Words are for life, not just for Cristes m?sse.
Or I could be wrong.
No, wait, I am wrong.
can't we all just be freinds and celebrate christmas for what it truely means, peace and love to our fellow man. i mean not to people of other faiths, they have their own holidays. you know you make a choice and you have to live with it, you can't have both. so lets all get together (with the obvious exceptions) and celebrate jesus's birthday. ok i know its not his actual birthday, but last year my birthday was on a monday and i celebrated it on the following saturday. it just seemed a bit more convienient for everone. and the queen has two birthdays, her official one and a drinking one. can't see why jesus can't have two, i mean he was the son of god. ok his pic isn't on stamps, but it could be if we all write to gordon brown.
Most of the more arcane traditions were absorbed from other Pagan and Christian / Pseudo-Christian sects as the Roman Church made a later push to expand their stricture and influence from country to country. As another example, monasticism was a Greek idea, not Roman. And none of these are a patch on the things that got subsumed into South American Christianity in the following millenium. The idea of a big winter solstice knees-up came from Britain, though that was Saxon tradition imported from northern Europe. There was no such thing across Mediterranean Europe, and the Romans never fared too well in the colder north were it really originated.
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That's completely absurd, given Jesus was a Jew and the Jews did not practice multiple partners in the first century! Plus Jesus was most likely not married - his ministry was a commitment to God and the church is called his bride in Revelation.
he was a joiner though, and you know what they're like. :p
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The resurrection has nothing to do with this. It is more likely connectable with the vision of the dead men coming to life again in Ezekiel 37, or perhaps with the 'sacrifice' of Abraham and Isaac (where Isaac returns from the sacrifice!)
Maybe they were scared of hypocrisy.
Neither does Easter. :D
Maybe they were scared of further hypocrisy.
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There is only one small letter between rabbi and rabbit.
and a lower case t, looks like a cross. the mystery deepens
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If people want to call it Christmas, then fair enough, if people want to call it Xmas, WOSmas, psj3809mas or whatever they want depending on what their beliefs are - again fair enough, if atheiests want to call it 'Holiday festival' or something else then fair enough, we're all different.
If someone starts forcing something down your throat and its their way or nothing then no no no no ! (Just as I wont force it down their throat that I call it Xmas or 'holiday season'). To think this all started off with someone being kind and giving a game away and jokingly putting WOSmas.
Unbelievable.
maybe I didn't understand yesterday that 'WOSmas' was jokey.
Why cant i defend my belief in non-religion then ? I dont get upset when someone calls it Christmas just like i dont get upset when someone calls it a different name.
You seriously didnt understand that WOSmas was jokey ? Oh come on, you must be an intelligent guy, how the hell did you not see the harmless joke? Someone giving a Speccy game away free at WOS as its Christmas/Xmas/whatever and jokingly put WOSmas. Thats quite shocking you didnt understand that joke, quite worrying in fact.
If that upsets you and you dont understand that you must have a helluva stressful life when you walk down city centres and see any non-religious mention of Xmas or its festivals.
I'm not religious one bit but I dont get upset even when I walk past a church and see a sign basically say i wont go to heaven if i dont follow God etc. We all have our own beliefs, 'some' have much stronger beliefs than others but should appreciate not everyone is so religious as themselves.
Its views like this which put me off religion even more.