I don`t use a sniping tool, I do it manually, I have become fairly adept at it and I don`t remember the last time I put in an ordinary bid. The fact is that most people want a bargain or want an item for re-selling, the bargain hunters are easy to outbid, the re-sellers are harder as they can bid top dollar, knowing that they can recoup their money and a profit in time. I go through a listing with a fine tooth comb and individually put a price on each item ( by research of experience ) that way I can guesstimate what a dealer would pay to still allow a good profit, a collector is also fairly easy to predict, unless they only need one final item to complete a collection.
In my opinion it is fair game to snipe, I have only lost a handfull of items this way, and only on one occasion lost a collection when my computer stalled at the very last second. Although I have to admit that I was gutted at this one getting away as I had estimated that the collection could be worth between ?500 to ?1000, my max bid would have been ?410 as I don`t re-sell any duplicates as of yet. It went for ?65 in the end and the person who bought it had most of it relisted within a couple of weeks, with one item selling for ?350.
Every time I read that the oldest person in the world has died, I have to do a quick check to see it isn't ME..........
I've found for a lot of things, bidding in the last seconds is often the only way to win. I've found if I bid early on things like retrocomputers, I almost always end up either being outbid, or I get a "nibbler" - someone who keeps nibbling the price up by increasing their bid about seven or eight times over the course of a few minutes before either outbidding me or giving up. When a nibbler gives up I end up paying a higher price (although still lower than I was prepared to pay) than I would have had I just put the same bid in at the last second. I've found the success rate is much better just by bidding at the last second because the "nibblers" can't do what they do.
For other things (mainly more technical products of higher value), things like test gear (oscilloscopes, logic analyzers and the like) I've found I can put in an early bid and forget about it. Either someone will outbid me in one go, or I'll win it, and you don't seem to get either snipers nor nibblers on those types of items.
Generally, I search for "Buy it now" items first, if they are a price I find acceptable I'd rather just pay and get on with it.
Sorry for wasting your time repeatedly giving you detailed explanations that would answer this question if you paid any attention to them. I now realise that all you really want is an excuse to moan about people who beat you at auctions, so in future I won't get in the way of your enjoyment.
whats with that? I ask a polite question and get a "nice" remark back...
so 2 bidders , both say ?50 on an item... and I assume you specify what second you want to put your bid in at.. say they are using the same website or software? who wins?
it's not such a stupid question, I've never asked that before and I don't use sniping tools.. you have given details regarding bidding yes but it wasn't including that specifically.
and yes I do have an opinion on snipe tools... so what ?! as much as you do.
perhaps you spent too long out in the sun.. who knows.. I wouldn't have asked if I didn't know.. if you can't be civil then why bother to reply with some snidey remark?
so 2 bidders , both say ?50 on an item... and I assume you specify what second you want to put your bid in at.. say they are using the same website or software? who wins?
hmm if the website/software sent the bids to ebay simultaneously, i guess it would depend on which ebay receives first. if the website/software has to send one before the other, i dunno, i guess it'd either be random, or perhaps it would send whichever one was set up by the user first.
btw i'd recommend using an odd amount (ie, add a few quid/pennies on) for your bid rather than "round sums" like ?50 cos i think its less likely you'll have a conflict or miss out because the other high bid is also ?50.
btw i'd recommend using an odd amount (ie, add a few quid/pennies on) for your bid rather than "round sums" like ?50 cos i think its less likely you'll have a conflict or miss out because the other high bid is also ?50.
Totally agree, i always put in something like ?33.07 etc
so 2 bidders , both say ?50 on an item... and I assume you specify what second you want to put your bid in at.. say they are using the same website or software? who wins?
As I said, whichever one goes in first wins. The latter bid won't be accepted. So in this case putting your bid down last is the losing strategy.
You're submitting bids to a system that works at a sub-millisecond rate and (one would hope) has some very robust locks on simultaneous writes to its database, so it will always decide one bid came before the other.
So now you can keep yourself awake at night fretting over whether you're leaving your sniping a fraction of a second too late. :D
So now you can keep yourself awake at night fretting over whether you're leaving your sniping a fraction of a second too late. :D
I don't use sniping tools.. and well I'm sorta given up trying to explain what I was asking about, because of replies back. I don't fret about things, either I win them or not.
I'm pretty sure Lee got what I was actually asking "stupidily" , so thanks to him for that.
So now you can keep yourself awake at night fretting over whether you're leaving your sniping a fraction of a second too late. :D
It`s the people who are too mean to put in a sensible offer in the first place, then after not winning it, whinge and whine for weeks about being sniped that make me laugh. As they say " Put up, or shut up ", you are either clever enough to win, or stupid enough to lose ! If you are stupid, it is best not to shout it from the rooftops, best to keep it to yourself !
Deal with it !:p
Every time I read that the oldest person in the world has died, I have to do a quick check to see it isn't ME..........
I don't fret about things, either I win them or not.
Same with us snipers. We put in our snipe, if we win we win. I dont sit there thinking 'well what happens if someone is using the same sniping software and has amazingly put in the same odd price of ?33.07 as me'
If i win its great, if not then the item just went for more than i was willing to pay.
Even now i still hear people say stuff like 'i put a bid in at the end but it then went for 1 pound more, gutted ! If i had put two quid more in i would have got it....'
Errr no ! Chances are they had a high maximum bid. Dont get caught in a bidding war !
I've never used a sniping site, don't they charge a % of the final price. I prefer to do it manually in the last few secs. That way I know if I won or not, if not, then move on to the next item. I have shouted obscenities at my screen a few times :-x but I soon get over it :-)
ebay user t***t must have enough spectrum games by now :p
There is a new discription which seems to be appearing more than R@@E in object descriptions " I believe this one is quite rare ". A typical cop out, as they can`t be accused of lying, and a fairly mundane item has a ?35 starting price, although if some fool is prepared to pay this sort of price for an item, I can have no sympathy. Often the item is pirated, bootlegged, or never existed in the first place.
Every time I read that the oldest person in the world has died, I have to do a quick check to see it isn't ME..........
but you have to take things case by case. much as when people have genuinely messed up OR knowingly been misleading that I've bought off.
it's a bit like say comparing manic miner to hhmm buggy blast.. everyone knows what manic miner is as it has status, but if you came to speccy later you'd not know of buggy blast.
these tapes are 20+ years old.. in a lot of cases.. so yer they are antiques even :)
if you wanna have a bit of fun put in a "best offer" on some of the very over priced things.. I do that a few times and surprising they don't seem happy with the offer :D
as someone who sells things on there. .it's great (as others sellers would agree) as it makes your things look even more of bargain.
Sometimes this can work in the buyers favour, recently I bought four singles from one seller, each one buy it now for ?3.50 + ?1.00 postage. They were in fantastic condition and each one worth about ?25 to ?30 each. If they had gone to bidding they would have easily made about ?100 more on the deal, as these singles have fetched the top price estimates over the past year, when they have actually cropped up, that is !
Every time I read that the oldest person in the world has died, I have to do a quick check to see it isn't ME..........
Yeah I like the buy it now..you often find things listed that the seller is oblivious to the value of....the best I ever saw was a zx80 at buy it now for $10....my hands were shaking as I entered my info....only to see the 'This auction is no longer available' as someone had beat me too it by seconds!!! that was about 6yrs ago and I'm still gutted about it.
I did pick up an Intellivision Computer adapter on Buy it now for $20 fairly recently ...that was an excellent buy.
After embarassingly breaking my pocket pc a few years back, i needed to get a new one and i had a ton of good luck when someone posted one on ebay when i was just suddenly surfing with a cheap buy it now, snapped that straight up.
But people are a bit dim sometimes with ebay, sorry ! If you arent sure how much somethings worth and want to use buy it now, simply do an advanced search under completed listings, gives you an idea of the going rate.
You see auctions where someones totally underpriced something with a buy it now (which can be great news !) but most often they find an old 25 year old Speccy tape in the loft their son left there and think 'this must be worth ?100, i'll put it on ebay at that price...'.
A 1 minute search will show its worth 99p.
The best was the total idiot who because of the whole Michael Jackson story in the news tried selling Moonwalker on the Speccy as a ?250 buy it now, then went down to ?150 then 'amazingly' someone he said made him an offer so he took if off ebay (yeah right !)
The best was the total idiot who because of the whole Michael Jackson story in the news tried selling Moonwalker on the Speccy as a ?250 buy it now, then went down to ?150 then 'amazingly' someone he said made him an offer so he took if off ebay (yeah right !)
yer I saw that one / gave me a chuckle.. there is one of late , 2 hit squad batman games ?11..
the one I find funny is price stickered games , but the ebay cost is *2 or * 4 etc
But thank god for bad spellers ! I've had a few bargains in the past when people spell something wrong or put it in the wrong category.
A quick post on a forum might have typos but SURELY if youre listing something on ebay you would double check, specially the title of the item youre selling ?
The spelling issue is bigger than most people realise, nowadays a lot of people have very strange spelling habbits, I have found many " Gems " . When I find an item I am interested in, I also check that persons other items for sale, lo and behold, most of the time I find really rare and obscure records, with band names and titles spelled badly, the result is normally that I am the only bidder.
Every time I read that the oldest person in the world has died, I have to do a quick check to see it isn't ME..........
Hey, WARNING..... Something has happened to my Pay-Pal account that has never happened before. I ordered some storage boxes for ?103, unfortunatly they could not supply the order properly and offered a refund, which I agreed to. They returned the funds to Pay-pal, which P.P. promptly froze access to the funds, because I have an outstanding claim against someone who vanished without supplying the goods I had paid for. Now in my book, the other person is the crook, and I am only asking for the money which they transfered from my bank to the storage firm, it has nothing to do with the few pounds which are owed to me by the rogue trader.
Any ideas or suggestions, on how to get it back ?
Every time I read that the oldest person in the world has died, I have to do a quick check to see it isn't ME..........
Ive just read through nine pages of this rambling on about Ebay and not one person has taken the piss out of Mile for playing with ickle plastic toy soldiers whats wrong with you people!!!.
If it will let you get into see the bidding history in this one, then it's a good example of a sniping program being used. I had an early bid in, but had no interest in paying more than ?15, so lost interest in it a while ago, but the winner diffo used a sniping program
If it will let you get into see the bidding history in this one, then it's a good example of a sniping program being used. I had an early bid in, but had no interest in paying more than ?15, so lost interest in it a while ago, but the winner diffo used a sniping program
Ive just read through nine pages of this rambling on about Ebay and not one person has taken the piss out of Mile for playing with ickle plastic toy soldiers whats wrong with you people!!!.
Probably because taking the piss out of someone for playing Warhammer, while being a retro computer enthusiast, is to stand on shaky ground... ;)
Ive just read through nine pages of this rambling on about Ebay and not one person has taken the piss out of Mile for playing with ickle plastic toy soldiers whats wrong with you people!!!.
I would have , but he bought a game of me .. so he's alright by me..hehe
joking aside I wouldn't have.. as one person I buy games off privately makes serious money selling warhammer?!!?! models... (i'm clueless)
Probably because taking the piss out of someone for playing Warhammer, while being a retro computer enthusiast, is to stand on shaky ground... ;)
Oh yeah! i hadn't thought of that. Anyway who wants to buy a badly painted Space wolves dreadnought, err err i mean who wants to watch some football and punch girls an that and drink beer. Yeah thats what i was gonna say.
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In my opinion it is fair game to snipe, I have only lost a handfull of items this way, and only on one occasion lost a collection when my computer stalled at the very last second. Although I have to admit that I was gutted at this one getting away as I had estimated that the collection could be worth between ?500 to ?1000, my max bid would have been ?410 as I don`t re-sell any duplicates as of yet. It went for ?65 in the end and the person who bought it had most of it relisted within a couple of weeks, with one item selling for ?350.
For other things (mainly more technical products of higher value), things like test gear (oscilloscopes, logic analyzers and the like) I've found I can put in an early bid and forget about it. Either someone will outbid me in one go, or I'll win it, and you don't seem to get either snipers nor nibblers on those types of items.
Generally, I search for "Buy it now" items first, if they are a price I find acceptable I'd rather just pay and get on with it.
You can buy cheap things at Ebay.de when "Der Mannschaft" plays a footballmatch!
whats with that? I ask a polite question and get a "nice" remark back...
so 2 bidders , both say ?50 on an item... and I assume you specify what second you want to put your bid in at.. say they are using the same website or software? who wins?
it's not such a stupid question, I've never asked that before and I don't use sniping tools.. you have given details regarding bidding yes but it wasn't including that specifically.
and yes I do have an opinion on snipe tools... so what ?! as much as you do.
perhaps you spent too long out in the sun.. who knows.. I wouldn't have asked if I didn't know.. if you can't be civil then why bother to reply with some snidey remark?
hmm if the website/software sent the bids to ebay simultaneously, i guess it would depend on which ebay receives first. if the website/software has to send one before the other, i dunno, i guess it'd either be random, or perhaps it would send whichever one was set up by the user first.
btw i'd recommend using an odd amount (ie, add a few quid/pennies on) for your bid rather than "round sums" like ?50 cos i think its less likely you'll have a conflict or miss out because the other high bid is also ?50.
Totally agree, i always put in something like ?33.07 etc
You're submitting bids to a system that works at a sub-millisecond rate and (one would hope) has some very robust locks on simultaneous writes to its database, so it will always decide one bid came before the other.
So now you can keep yourself awake at night fretting over whether you're leaving your sniping a fraction of a second too late. :D
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I don't use sniping tools.. and well I'm sorta given up trying to explain what I was asking about, because of replies back. I don't fret about things, either I win them or not.
I'm pretty sure Lee got what I was actually asking "stupidily" , so thanks to him for that.
It`s the people who are too mean to put in a sensible offer in the first place, then after not winning it, whinge and whine for weeks about being sniped that make me laugh. As they say " Put up, or shut up ", you are either clever enough to win, or stupid enough to lose ! If you are stupid, it is best not to shout it from the rooftops, best to keep it to yourself !
Deal with it !:p
Same with us snipers. We put in our snipe, if we win we win. I dont sit there thinking 'well what happens if someone is using the same sniping software and has amazingly put in the same odd price of ?33.07 as me'
If i win its great, if not then the item just went for more than i was willing to pay.
Even now i still hear people say stuff like 'i put a bid in at the end but it then went for 1 pound more, gutted ! If i had put two quid more in i would have got it....'
Errr no ! Chances are they had a high maximum bid. Dont get caught in a bidding war !
ebay user t***t must have enough spectrum games by now :p
it's a bit like say comparing manic miner to hhmm buggy blast.. everyone knows what manic miner is as it has status, but if you came to speccy later you'd not know of buggy blast.
these tapes are 20+ years old.. in a lot of cases.. so yer they are antiques even :)
if you wanna have a bit of fun put in a "best offer" on some of the very over priced things.. I do that a few times and surprising they don't seem happy with the offer :D
as someone who sells things on there. .it's great (as others sellers would agree) as it makes your things look even more of bargain.
I did pick up an Intellivision Computer adapter on Buy it now for $20 fairly recently ...that was an excellent buy.
But people are a bit dim sometimes with ebay, sorry ! If you arent sure how much somethings worth and want to use buy it now, simply do an advanced search under completed listings, gives you an idea of the going rate.
You see auctions where someones totally underpriced something with a buy it now (which can be great news !) but most often they find an old 25 year old Speccy tape in the loft their son left there and think 'this must be worth ?100, i'll put it on ebay at that price...'.
A 1 minute search will show its worth 99p.
The best was the total idiot who because of the whole Michael Jackson story in the news tried selling Moonwalker on the Speccy as a ?250 buy it now, then went down to ?150 then 'amazingly' someone he said made him an offer so he took if off ebay (yeah right !)
yer I saw that one / gave me a chuckle.. there is one of late , 2 hit squad batman games ?11..
the one I find funny is price stickered games , but the ebay cost is *2 or * 4 etc
or they think budget games are ?10 EACH :D
A quick post on a forum might have typos but SURELY if youre listing something on ebay you would double check, specially the title of the item youre selling ?
Any ideas or suggestions, on how to get it back ?
I have never seen the Pay-pal direct number, where would I find it ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260608541948&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT
Its a tricky one as its 'so hidden' ;)
Click on the Help tab, 'contact us' on the bottom right and then select the phone option and you'll see the number
they might just have put the bid in manually in the closing seconds. thats what i do.
Probably because taking the piss out of someone for playing Warhammer, while being a retro computer enthusiast, is to stand on shaky ground... ;)
I would have , but he bought a game of me .. so he's alright by me..hehe
joking aside I wouldn't have.. as one person I buy games off privately makes serious money selling warhammer?!!?! models... (i'm clueless)
Oh yeah! i hadn't thought of that. Anyway who wants to buy a badly painted Space wolves dreadnought, err err i mean who wants to watch some football and punch girls an that and drink beer. Yeah thats what i was gonna say.