rave was infact utter shite. Now that's twat music!
Rave is Jungle is Hardcore is Drum and Bass. Simple really, it's just that the sound and styles changed. The big DJs were all the same big DJs from 1991 to 1999 and some of them are still big now, and they all played hardcore, rave, jungle, drum and bass or whatever it was called then at some point. Granted, a lot of munted twats follow the dancefloor side of things, but then a lot of pretentious chin stroking twats follow the other stuff. There are twats in every social group.
Granted, a lot of munted twats follow the dancefloor side of things, but then a lot of pretentious chin stroking twats follow the other stuff. There are twats in every social group.
I fall into the second group as I follow more the "other stuff"..hehe.. but there are tunes that fit both liquid etc...
I fall into the second group as I follow more the "other stuff"..hehe.. but there are tunes that fit both liquid etc...
sure you all seen these.. both mashed
Classic!
Yeah, a lot of the liquid stuff can be like the old jump-up. High Contrast and Danny Byrd are the ones that stand out for me, even if they are obvious choices.
had been that way for ages.. errm partly due to how much sampling you can get away with.. and well how EP's went.. 7 minutes ... where it was 3-5 before (4 track EP's ALL THE WAY).. and it's just padded out... and the whole you need 2 tunes mixed to get one that sounds fine on it's own. It's about money or thats how it seemed, and people not taking risks.
I agree and I hate the whole 'double-drop' culture and lack of experimentation these days. You can keep a tune interesting for 7 mins, but people just won't do it. A great example of a Jump Up tune that is constantly changing it up and keeping it interesting is Prisoners of Technology 'Trick of Technology'.
nice, but too empty for me if that makes sense. yep it changes, reminds me of a lemon d track from years back on hardleaders.. part of it .. make the tunes a piece of **** to mix.. and no surprises.. thats what the older stuff had.. and well thats long gone. (I don't dj and never have)
as for Danny and High Contrast.. out of the Hospital stuff I've heard .. I do like Nu-tone and Mistabishi's stuff... the Nu-tone mix of 4hero's "look inside" ... well it's one of them , I like the original BUT the remix equally as much.. and that says a lot as it's rare that I think that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLvhxZNfBE
yer go on.. the romford duo get in the charts and have Jo whiley bigging em up like she knows her tunes.. wtf is that about ? I think Ant Miles has done great work over the years though :)
yer go on.. the romford duo get in the charts and have Jo whiley bigging em up like she knows her tunes.. wtf is that about ? I think Ant Miles has done great work over the years though :)
Yeah, Jo Whiley doesn't know anything, same as Zane Lowe. He pretends he knew about DnB but actually he was going to people like Fresh and asking them for advice.
Clownstep was first aimed at Dillinja's Twist Em Out AFAIK though. I think it was Dylan on DOA talking about the weird chromatic scale bit at the start that sounds like circus music, he came up with clownstep as a joke and it quickly became a derogatory term for Jump Up. Some people misunderstood and it also got applied specifically to Bodyrock and all those swinging beats tunes.
I still like Bodyrock. It was different and a wicked tune to go out and dance to, it just got too big and when they released a couple of others in the same style on Ram straight after, one by Moving Fusion and one by BC, it all got very silly.
I still like Bodyrock. It was different and a wicked tune to go out and dance to, it just got too big and when they released a couple of others in the same style on Ram straight after, one by Moving Fusion and one by BC, it all got very silly.
I once saw DJ Marky do a live remix of Bodyrock at Knebworth festival. It was a great moment, everyone kinda stopped dancing and just stood there watching him, open-mouthed. Great stuff. :smile:
Nice one Chris ! Another good set !
My own tastes in DnB are a bit more mainstream. Chase and Status, Logistics, Aphroditie, TC, Matrix and Futurebound etc etc etc, and of course Pendulum. Has anyone checked out the new Pendulum album yet. Its growing on me and has some great tracks no doubt. Love this one.. :D
Im not really into pendulum tbh, but I do like some stuff by Logistics and TC though (TC's alias Tommy Boy did some good tunes a while back, Old Texaco Garage VIP was one)
Has anyone checked out the new Pendulum album yet.
Well, to me it sounds like they've hit the creativeness wall, but that's just going on short clips. The one with Liam Howlett sounds ok though, probably the best thing they've done since Hold Your Colour came out.
A lot of DnB heads like to hate those who've been successful and broken out of the scene a bit (apart from Goldie, who's arse they lick). Pendulum are attracting most of that hate at the moment. I'm not a fan of Pendulum's music these days, but you can't deny that they influenced DnB production and engineering massively (whether it's a good thing or not), and woke the world up to DnB, with the help of a lot of promotion by Zane Lowe. OK, I slagged Zane off earlier, but once he got to know what DnB artists he liked, he pushed them and he's helped get it out there. It's unfortunate, maybe, that it's the more 'stadium DnB' (there was a compilation by that name I think) end of things that he's pushed. Still, it gets people listening and going to out to dance to it.
A lot of DnB heads like to hate those who've been successful and broken out of the scene a bit (apart from Goldie, who's arse they lick).
I have respect for goldie's engineers to be honest.. he's hhmm creative but well I always had more time for those who engineer / program their own. Much like other "names" use other names to make tunes. people like nookie etc engineer for others..
I think the fact pend sound like prodigy.. and just flew over.. took the money and run. Their engineering side is fine, but I don't have much time for the music itself. It's partly the so you like Dnb... "yer pendulum is great" and thats all they know, not like others have worked for years.. much like you get someone who goes clubbing knows zero tunes and it's a "night out".. maybe I'm being a snob / elitist.. but it's a bit "m-beat" all over again ...
Jo Whiley was quick enough to big them up, yet others get a raw deal and rarely get air play on bigger stations.
I do believe you can be credible BUT say true to what your doing... and not use it solely as a basically a stepping stone / means to an end.
I guess you saw the video of dilli and lemon on youtube talking about the "state" of music.. they slate it, but it's what they were putting out also..lol
I'll be sure to check out your mix Chris. I was always a big dnb fan and avidly tuned into all the London pirate stations all through the 90's. For the last few years I've gone over to the darker harder side and now much prefer guys like Limewax, Counterstrike, Technical Itch. I can't stand Pendulum, its like a Hanna Barbara cartoon version of dnb with guys pulling guitar solo faces on stage, and I was never into that rocky boy shite.
Oh and you can't beat a bit of Dillinja, just had 'Violent Killa' rattling the panels in the van :D
I have respect for goldie's engineers to be honest.. he's hhmm creative but well I always had more time for those who engineer / program their own. Much like other "names" use other names to make tunes. people like nookie etc engineer for others..
Totally agree.
I think the fact pend sound like prodigy.. and just flew over.. took the money and run. Their engineering side is fine, but I don't have much time for the music itself...
...I do believe you can be credible BUT say true to what your doing... and not use it solely as a basically a stepping stone / means to an end.
I think they wanted the DnB scene to accept what they were doing with the second album and probably still do want it to accept them (they still DJ DnB sets, still make their brand of DnB), but it just wasn't ready for them. I think they have stayed true to what they were doing, but what they were doing isn't necessarily what the DnB scene thinks they should have done.
I guess you saw the video of dilli and lemon on youtube talking about the "state" of music.. they slate it, but it's what they were putting out also..lol
I'll be sure to check out your mix Chris. I was always a big dnb fan and avidly tuned into all the London pirate stations all through the 90's. For the last few years I've gone over to the darker harder side and now much prefer guys like Limewax, Counterstrike, Technical Itch.
Tech Itch did a tune called Death Jazz which I really like, this mix is not a as dark as that kind of stuff but it's not the commercial stuff either. more kind of gritty jump-up. thanks for having a listen!
To use a footballers vernacular, I was a little disappointed with Dillinja's views on the heavier stuff a couple of years back. Lemon D needs 5,000 volts up his arse from the look of him, and Dillinja probably needs to rediscover that edge that made him so exciting with tracks like 'Crunch' before having a dig at guys who really have an edge and a half. I love his stuff but boy what a sour puss !!!
It's a weird one that video. Dillinja makes some of the better noisy stuff, but it's still noisy. I guess the difference is that Dillinja does try to put at least some tunefulness into it. Sometimes :D Whereas there is a lot, and I mean a lot of really noisy stuff that's just all on one note, or discordant and more about the sound of the bassline than the tune of it.
My mate Adam / Breakneck makes the noisy stuff at the moment...
...but I'm trying to get him to do something more tuneful. He's just trying to get me back into DnB in general :D [/sneakypromotionofmatestrack]
It's a weird one that video. Dillinja makes some of the better noisy stuff, but it's still noisy. I guess the difference is that Dillinja does try to put at least some tunefulness into it. Sometimes :D Whereas there is a lot, and I mean a lot of really noisy stuff that's just all on one note, or discordant and more about the sound of the bassline than the tune of it.
I haven't watched the vid, but do you think dillinja changed his sound deliberately to fit the valve system when he created it? I mean valve from what I gather was obviously made for pumping out dancefloor bangers and not the kind of more 'intelligent' jungle style he was doing earlier? just a theroy...I like his 'noisy' stuff as well though
My mate Adam / Breakneck makes the noisy stuff at the moment...
...but I'm trying to get him to do something more tuneful. He's just trying to get me back into DnB in general :D [/sneakypromotionofmatestrack]
nice will have a listen. there's a Sensa track in the mix I got off his new digital site nothing-long
I haven't watched the vid, but do you think dillinja changed his sound deliberately to fit the valve system when he created it? I mean valve from what I gather was obviously made for pumping out dancefloor bangers and not the kind of more 'intelligent' jungle style he was doing earlier? just a theroy...I like his 'noisy' stuff as well though.
Well, there were always tunes like Tudor Rose and so on in Dillinja's discography, but there was a definite point where he just stopped making the deeper tunes mostly and started just pumping out dancefloor tunes. There was a time when he made stuff in very different styles too. Trinity 'Gangster' doesn't sound like a Dillinja tune, but it is. I just want to know why Deadly Deep Subs (remix) isn't on his best of - 'My Sound'. It's one of his best, surely! Massively samples Kevin Saunderson though.
tell tell signs for me with dilli's stuff regardless of the name were the eq'ing in general esp. (the bass) and the drum choppage..
subs was on on a cd I have. hardstep selection 1 that was on kickin when I was there... then the 2 of em came back later on hardleaders as capone / souljah..the guy who ran HL was pretty sound (carl)
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Rave is Jungle is Hardcore is Drum and Bass. Simple really, it's just that the sound and styles changed. The big DJs were all the same big DJs from 1991 to 1999 and some of them are still big now, and they all played hardcore, rave, jungle, drum and bass or whatever it was called then at some point. Granted, a lot of munted twats follow the dancefloor side of things, but then a lot of pretentious chin stroking twats follow the other stuff. There are twats in every social group.
I fall into the second group as I follow more the "other stuff"..hehe.. but there are tunes that fit both liquid etc...
sure you all seen these.. both mashed
Funkin hell. Let us not even mention Cl***step.
Classic!
Yeah, a lot of the liquid stuff can be like the old jump-up. High Contrast and Danny Byrd are the ones that stand out for me, even if they are obvious choices.
I agree and I hate the whole 'double-drop' culture and lack of experimentation these days. You can keep a tune interesting for 7 mins, but people just won't do it. A great example of a Jump Up tune that is constantly changing it up and keeping it interesting is Prisoners of Technology 'Trick of Technology'.
as for Danny and High Contrast.. out of the Hospital stuff I've heard .. I do like Nu-tone and Mistabishi's stuff... the Nu-tone mix of 4hero's "look inside" ... well it's one of them , I like the original BUT the remix equally as much.. and that says a lot as it's rare that I think that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLvhxZNfBE
there are a few exceptions to the 7 minute thing.. cause and effect / Ram... needs the build up :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc9zfd-HPrw
I haven't listened to new stuff for a long time to be honest..
I really used to like Nookie's stuff on R .. and then it changed.. and I didn't like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHfDcQ4DCIU
yer go on.. the romford duo get in the charts and have Jo whiley bigging em up like she knows her tunes.. wtf is that about ? I think Ant Miles has done great work over the years though :)
Yeah, Jo Whiley doesn't know anything, same as Zane Lowe. He pretends he knew about DnB but actually he was going to people like Fresh and asking them for advice.
Clownstep was first aimed at Dillinja's Twist Em Out AFAIK though. I think it was Dylan on DOA talking about the weird chromatic scale bit at the start that sounds like circus music, he came up with clownstep as a joke and it quickly became a derogatory term for Jump Up. Some people misunderstood and it also got applied specifically to Bodyrock and all those swinging beats tunes.
I still like Bodyrock. It was different and a wicked tune to go out and dance to, it just got too big and when they released a couple of others in the same style on Ram straight after, one by Moving Fusion and one by BC, it all got very silly.
I once saw DJ Marky do a live remix of Bodyrock at Knebworth festival. It was a great moment, everyone kinda stopped dancing and just stood there watching him, open-mouthed. Great stuff. :smile:
My own tastes in DnB are a bit more mainstream. Chase and Status, Logistics, Aphroditie, TC, Matrix and Futurebound etc etc etc, and of course Pendulum. Has anyone checked out the new Pendulum album yet. Its growing on me and has some great tracks no doubt. Love this one.. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGOtt--1ec
Im not really into pendulum tbh, but I do like some stuff by Logistics and TC though (TC's alias Tommy Boy did some good tunes a while back, Old Texaco Garage VIP was one)
Well, to me it sounds like they've hit the creativeness wall, but that's just going on short clips. The one with Liam Howlett sounds ok though, probably the best thing they've done since Hold Your Colour came out.
A lot of DnB heads like to hate those who've been successful and broken out of the scene a bit (apart from Goldie, who's arse they lick). Pendulum are attracting most of that hate at the moment. I'm not a fan of Pendulum's music these days, but you can't deny that they influenced DnB production and engineering massively (whether it's a good thing or not), and woke the world up to DnB, with the help of a lot of promotion by Zane Lowe. OK, I slagged Zane off earlier, but once he got to know what DnB artists he liked, he pushed them and he's helped get it out there. It's unfortunate, maybe, that it's the more 'stadium DnB' (there was a compilation by that name I think) end of things that he's pushed. Still, it gets people listening and going to out to dance to it.
I have respect for goldie's engineers to be honest.. he's hhmm creative but well I always had more time for those who engineer / program their own. Much like other "names" use other names to make tunes. people like nookie etc engineer for others..
I think the fact pend sound like prodigy.. and just flew over.. took the money and run. Their engineering side is fine, but I don't have much time for the music itself. It's partly the so you like Dnb... "yer pendulum is great" and thats all they know, not like others have worked for years.. much like you get someone who goes clubbing knows zero tunes and it's a "night out".. maybe I'm being a snob / elitist.. but it's a bit "m-beat" all over again ...
Jo Whiley was quick enough to big them up, yet others get a raw deal and rarely get air play on bigger stations.
I do believe you can be credible BUT say true to what your doing... and not use it solely as a basically a stepping stone / means to an end.
I guess you saw the video of dilli and lemon on youtube talking about the "state" of music.. they slate it, but it's what they were putting out also..lol
Oh and you can't beat a bit of Dillinja, just had 'Violent Killa' rattling the panels in the van :D
Totally agree.
I think they wanted the DnB scene to accept what they were doing with the second album and probably still do want it to accept them (they still DJ DnB sets, still make their brand of DnB), but it just wasn't ready for them. I think they have stayed true to what they were doing, but what they were doing isn't necessarily what the DnB scene thinks they should have done.
Hah, no I'll look that one up :)
swear box at valve.hehe
My mate Adam / Breakneck makes the noisy stuff at the moment...
...but I'm trying to get him to do something more tuneful. He's just trying to get me back into DnB in general :D [/sneakypromotionofmatestrack]
nice will have a listen. there's a Sensa track in the mix I got off his new digital site nothing-long
Well, there were always tunes like Tudor Rose and so on in Dillinja's discography, but there was a definite point where he just stopped making the deeper tunes mostly and started just pumping out dancefloor tunes. There was a time when he made stuff in very different styles too. Trinity 'Gangster' doesn't sound like a Dillinja tune, but it is. I just want to know why Deadly Deep Subs (remix) isn't on his best of - 'My Sound'. It's one of his best, surely! Massively samples Kevin Saunderson though.
subs was on on a cd I have. hardstep selection 1 that was on kickin when I was there... then the 2 of em came back later on hardleaders as capone / souljah..the guy who ran HL was pretty sound (carl)