what fuel source has the energy density of gasoline and is as simple to convert into rotary motion?
Fusion, Rocket fuel, Fission..... :)
I said better engines..not more efficient....a good engine these days involves more than the effiency of the fuel...you are aware burning fossil fuels isn't looked on as a good thing right?.
A Hydrogen driven engine is better overall, an electric engine is better overall.....might not be as efficient right now but that is because of lack of investment in the technology. The petrol driven car was not a better choice vs horse and cart at the inception of that technology either....after 100+yrs we could and should have moved away from it....but why change an industry that is making money as is ...right?
...the point was with the correct investment $$, research and commitment it could easily be replaced by a 'better' engine.
Houses have no copyright law...you own a house..you DON'T own copyrighted material. But using your analogy....
I might own the house 6 acres of land I have...however I do not own the mineral rights to the land....the oil company do (it is EXTREMELY difficult to find land in Texas where it sells with the mineral rights.)
The mineral rights = the copyrighted material...you own the land but not the rights to what is in it....you own the record but not the material that's on it.
When I buy a house I'm interested in the house and living in it, not what lies 1000's of meters beneath my feet so the analogy does not work in this case. Not for one moment would I expect to lay claim to the coal, rock and magma that lies deep beneath my house, as I would also not claim to own the airspace above it.
When I buy a house I'm interested in the house and living in it, not what lies 1000's of meters beneath my feet so the analogy does not work in this case. Not for one moment would I expect to lay claim to the coal, rock and magma that lies deep beneath my house, as I would also not claim to own the airspace above it.
If 1 million barrels of oil was discovered under your house...you WOULD be interested in it so it does work
I have an 'acquaintance' who has some land in Oklahoma which has been in his family for years and so he does own the mineral rights...the oil company came knocking on his door one day (30yrs ago+) and said they wanted to survey for oil...they found it..they put a well in (Dipping Donkey whatever they are called)...he gets a royalty check of $10,000 a month....You'd be interested. :)
EDIT: You'd be interested if there were empty mine shafts down there too right?? Would you buy the house because you liked the house if it was built on an old mine that might collapse?..or if the air above was crisscrossed with power lines?..... if you bought a beautiful house and the power company came along and stuck in half a dozen power lines over it......would you complain??
But some of the prices of brand new PC games are ridiculous
Oh, I dunno. Compared to console games they are in the vast majority a lot cheaper brand new if you look beyond the crappy high street stores. Yes, you do get the piss-takers like Activision who release Generic Of Duty 4: Modern Boredom 2 for fifty quid and there's morons out there who will pay it.
I know what you mean though, generally games are far too expensive and it's the constant circle of the publishers stating "they're expensive because of piracy" met with the end-users "we pirate because they're too expensive". It's an impossible situation and even lowering the costs won't solve it as some will refuse to ever pay for a bit of software.
That's not even getting into the draconian DRM measures employed by far too many PC publishers nowadays. Apparently they do it to stop the pirates. The pirates have it hacked within two days of release and it's the legitimate purchasers who suffer. Look at Spore, you're allowed to install that five times (originally was three) in total. That's it! Upgrade your PC for a sixth time and want to install it - no chance. Phone EA and complain and you'll get a "buy another one then".
If 1 million barrels of oil was discovered under your house...you WOULD be interested in it so it does work
I have an 'acquaintance' who has some land in Oklahoma which has been in his family for years and so he does own the mineral rights...the oil company came knocking on his door one day (30yrs ago+) and said they wanted to survey for oil...they found it..they put a well in (Dipping Donkey whatever they are called)...he gets a royalty check of $10,000 a month....You'd be interested. :)
EDIT: You'd be interested if there were empty mine shafts down there too right?? Would you buy the house because you liked the house if it was built on an old mine that might collapse?..or if the air above was crisscrossed with power lines?..... if you bought a beautiful house and the power company came along and stuck in half a dozen power lines over it......would you complain??
There is loads of coal under my house but I'm unlikely to let a mine be built under my back garden. Your acquaintance must own a shit load of land, or be accepting a low price or else they would just put the dipping donkey elsewhere.
There is loads of coal under my house but I'm unlikely to let a mine be built under my back garden. Your acquaintance must own a shit load of land, or be accepting a low price or else they would just put the dipping donkey elsewhere.
A dipping donkey costs a FRACTION of what a coal mine would...the DD is practical, a coal mine isn't.
He owns about 200 acres...not a huge amount (he also runs a quail farm on it)...you have to be familiar with how things work here I suppose..that sounds a lot to an Englishman but it's really not in Texas/Oklahoma... my 6 acres for example is really a laughably small amount..but home in Manchester it would be a HUGE amount. (I paid $38,500 for my 6 acres...it would probably cost me a million quid for that amount in England huh?)
His land is surrounded by his privately owned neighbors land too (who also have dipping donkeys)....Dipping donkeys are relatively cheap to install...(and the oil is not 1000s of ft down but can be close to the surface..in some cases leaking at the surface).
So it's more efficient/cheaper to put the DD above the 'pool' than have to drill horizontally from oil company owned land (if they even owned any of the land close by)...which is EXTREMELY expensive in comparison (and illegal if you own the mineral rights...that's the whole deal with the mineral rights..they cannot tap your land).
A dipping donkey is really a very cheap and low maintenance setup once it's in place...the oil company basically sends a tanker out once a week to empty the holding tank next to the donkey that it's been pumping... a bit like a water well....except it's a stronger pump and a bigger tank (I had a water well on my land too).
An oil company will come along ...survey the land....pay half a dozen neighbors a royalty to drill, the owner does nothing, everyone wins....
You've been to Texas right Scotty? Next time you are in Texas/Oklahoma and you are driving through the countryside count the dipping donkeys...you will see MANY).
The majority of those will be on private land and the owner (if he owns the mineral rights) will be getting a nice royalty check for basically doing nothing (the oil company installs the well and maintains it). The oil company does not care who gets the royalty check either...if you owned six acres and your neighbor owned 10,000 but the best place for the donkey was on your land....you'd get the offer...(and they would probably still put some more on his land too).
The analogy was a broad one.....not a personal one to Scotty and his house in Scunthorpe :)
Yeah I know but I still think the analogy is not a good one you dipping donkey! :p
The long and short of it is that record companies swindle both the listener and the producers of music merely by being middle men.The PRS are just the same, they look after the interests of a few select rich artists, but screw everyone else in their blood thursty lust for power and money. Just for once why cannot a large organisation just be altruistic.
It would be better if they did not exist at all, these days we dont need them, home taping sure didn't kill music, but record company greed sure is stiffling creativity.
All we need now are bands, and an impartial distribution system that takes a small % of each sale regardless of who's selling. This could work for either a web based, or physical distribution approach.
A Hydrogen driven engine is better overall, an electric engine is better overall.....might not be as efficient right now but that is because of lack of investment in the technology.
without wanting to derail this thread completely, neither of those things are "better overall"...
an electric motor is better than an IC engine, but it needs a high current electric supply. This works great for trains, but really badly for anything that can't be connected to a mains source. Batteries are rubbish at storing energy and that's not through lack of investment in battery technology.
Hydrogen engines are just a complete dead end and need to die as soon as possible. Hydrogen is inefficient (and harmful to the environment) to produce, difficult to store, and generally not a great idea like the media portray it. Hydrogen won't be the fuel of tomorrow.
No I don't have shares in an oil company, I want to see a better transport solution than the IC engine as much as anyone but realistically batteries and electric motors, or hydrogen based (either combustion or hydrogen batteries) aren't suitable for cars. At least not cars the way we use them now. Luckily fusion is "only 50 years away" so we'll be able to have electric cars powered by fusion reactors! This still leaves the question of how to produce the fuel though. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, but it's not what you'd call abundant in a raw form on Earth :)
Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, but it's not what you'd call abundant in a raw form on Earth :)
I thought they could get hydrogen directly from water fairly cheaply ....or have I watched too much science fiction.
I think the problem with the 'better engine' thing is the fact that there has been little 'serious' effort and investment into developing one....perhaps if some of the billions of dollars made by the car industry over they 100yrs had been put into that then a 'better' more effiencent electic motor would exist.
FYI....the VOLT goes on sale here this year (or next year)...
I thought they could get hydrogen directly from water fairly cheaply ....or have I watched too much science fiction.
I think the problem with the 'better engine' thing is the fact that there has been little 'serious' effort and investment into developing one....perhaps if some of the billions of dollars made by the car industry over they 100yrs had been put into that then a 'better' more effiencent electic motor would exist.
FYI....the VOLT goes on sale here this year (or next year)...
Hydrogen engines are just a complete dead end and need to die as soon as possible. Hydrogen is inefficient (and harmful to the environment) to produce, difficult to store, and generally not a great idea like the media portray it. Hydrogen won't be the fuel of tomorrow.
Tell that to my university which is (rightly or wrongly) ploughing millions into the idea. We have developed a hydrogen bus and a milk float which is parked outside my office. It's currently one of their big swaggers, not that I know too much about the technology behind it.
Tell that to my university which is (rightly or wrongly) ploughing millions into the idea. We have developed a hydrogen bus and a milk float which is parked outside my office. It's currently one of their big swaggers, not that I know too much about the technology behind it.
No one thought to tell them Milk Floats are obsolete and everyone buys their milk at the store now? :)
No one thought to tell them Milk Floats are obsolete and everyone buys their milk at the store now? :)
We still get our milk from the milkman :-) He doesn't drive a milk float though, it's a big Ford mini-truck thing that spews god knows what into the atmos. The git doesn't turn up until after 10am either, though given the racket of what he turns up in that may be a good thing ;-)
We still get our milk from the milkman :-) He doesn't drive a milk float though, it's a big Ford mini-truck thing that spews god knows what into the atmos. The git doesn't turn up until after 10am either, though given the racket of what he turns up in that may be a good thing ;-)
ive never seen a milk float, its too hilly where i live, so they all drive Toyota pick ups.
i remember as a kid the only job prospects were either working as a milk mans assistant for 15 quid a week or a paperboy for a fiver a week.
i went for the paperboy option but a massive cat knocked me off my BMX. :lol:
We still get our milk from the milkman :-) He doesn't drive a milk float though, it's a big Ford mini-truck thing that spews god knows what into the atmos. The git doesn't turn up until after 10am either, though given the racket of what he turns up in that may be a good thing ;-)
I remember the last milk man I had in England...he would deliver after I had gone to work and in the 'damning heat' of England sometimes in summer it would already be 'sour' by the evening.
I told him I was gonna have to let him go because the milk was always bad so he said 'give me another chance'..he came around on the weekend and dug out a hole, lined it with wood and put a lid on it....the cool earth kept the milk cool so solving the problem of the sour milk...I kept him just for all that effort!.
I asked my parents when I was back there last October and they said they hadn't seen a milkman around their way in several years....
Ah more lost golden moments...the schoolkids of today will never experience the delight of stealing a pint of milk and a box of Jam Tarts off a doorstep on their way to school....great days.
(On topic: but the little bastards will steal MP3s of the internet)
I remember the last milk man I had in England...he would deliver after I had gone to work and in the 'damning heat' of England sometimes in summer it would already be 'sour' by the evening.
I told him I was gonna have to let him go because the milk was always bad so he said 'give me another chance'..he came around on the weekend and dug out a hole, lined it with wood and put a lid on it....the cool earth kept the milk cool so solving the problem of the sour milk...I kept him just for all that effort!.
I asked my parents when I was back there last October and they said they hadn't seen a milkman around their way in several years....
Ah more lost golden moments...the schoolkids of today will never experience the delight of stealing a pint of milk and a box of Jam Tarts off a doorstep on their way to school....great days.
(On topic: but the little bastards will steal MP3s of the internet)
We still get our milk from the milkman :-) He doesn't drive a milk float though, it's a big Ford mini-truck thing that spews god knows what into the atmos. The git doesn't turn up until after 10am either, though given the racket of what he turns up in that may be a good thing ;-)
You englishmen are so funny, why can't you get your milk from the shops like everything else? :p
And while i'm at it, why do cabs in London have to be from the sixty's (well they look like it anyway)?
Why have lawyer's and judges have to wear funny wigs in court?
We still get our milk from the milkman :-) He doesn't drive a milk float though, it's a big Ford mini-truck thing that spews god knows what into the atmos. The git doesn't turn up until after 10am either, though given the racket of what he turns up in that may be a good thing ;-)
Do we have the same Milkman? or are they all like that these days.
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Fusion, Rocket fuel, Fission..... :)
I said better engines..not more efficient....a good engine these days involves more than the effiency of the fuel...you are aware burning fossil fuels isn't looked on as a good thing right?.
A Hydrogen driven engine is better overall, an electric engine is better overall.....might not be as efficient right now but that is because of lack of investment in the technology. The petrol driven car was not a better choice vs horse and cart at the inception of that technology either....after 100+yrs we could and should have moved away from it....but why change an industry that is making money as is ...right?
...the point was with the correct investment $$, research and commitment it could easily be replaced by a 'better' engine.
When I buy a house I'm interested in the house and living in it, not what lies 1000's of meters beneath my feet so the analogy does not work in this case. Not for one moment would I expect to lay claim to the coal, rock and magma that lies deep beneath my house, as I would also not claim to own the airspace above it.
If 1 million barrels of oil was discovered under your house...you WOULD be interested in it so it does work
I have an 'acquaintance' who has some land in Oklahoma which has been in his family for years and so he does own the mineral rights...the oil company came knocking on his door one day (30yrs ago+) and said they wanted to survey for oil...they found it..they put a well in (Dipping Donkey whatever they are called)...he gets a royalty check of $10,000 a month....You'd be interested. :)
EDIT: You'd be interested if there were empty mine shafts down there too right?? Would you buy the house because you liked the house if it was built on an old mine that might collapse?..or if the air above was crisscrossed with power lines?..... if you bought a beautiful house and the power company came along and stuck in half a dozen power lines over it......would you complain??
Oh, I dunno. Compared to console games they are in the vast majority a lot cheaper brand new if you look beyond the crappy high street stores. Yes, you do get the piss-takers like Activision who release Generic Of Duty 4: Modern Boredom 2 for fifty quid and there's morons out there who will pay it.
I know what you mean though, generally games are far too expensive and it's the constant circle of the publishers stating "they're expensive because of piracy" met with the end-users "we pirate because they're too expensive". It's an impossible situation and even lowering the costs won't solve it as some will refuse to ever pay for a bit of software.
That's not even getting into the draconian DRM measures employed by far too many PC publishers nowadays. Apparently they do it to stop the pirates. The pirates have it hacked within two days of release and it's the legitimate purchasers who suffer. Look at Spore, you're allowed to install that five times (originally was three) in total. That's it! Upgrade your PC for a sixth time and want to install it - no chance. Phone EA and complain and you'll get a "buy another one then".
There is loads of coal under my house but I'm unlikely to let a mine be built under my back garden. Your acquaintance must own a shit load of land, or be accepting a low price or else they would just put the dipping donkey elsewhere.
A dipping donkey costs a FRACTION of what a coal mine would...the DD is practical, a coal mine isn't.
He owns about 200 acres...not a huge amount (he also runs a quail farm on it)...you have to be familiar with how things work here I suppose..that sounds a lot to an Englishman but it's really not in Texas/Oklahoma... my 6 acres for example is really a laughably small amount..but home in Manchester it would be a HUGE amount. (I paid $38,500 for my 6 acres...it would probably cost me a million quid for that amount in England huh?)
His land is surrounded by his privately owned neighbors land too (who also have dipping donkeys)....Dipping donkeys are relatively cheap to install...(and the oil is not 1000s of ft down but can be close to the surface..in some cases leaking at the surface).
So it's more efficient/cheaper to put the DD above the 'pool' than have to drill horizontally from oil company owned land (if they even owned any of the land close by)...which is EXTREMELY expensive in comparison (and illegal if you own the mineral rights...that's the whole deal with the mineral rights..they cannot tap your land).
A dipping donkey is really a very cheap and low maintenance setup once it's in place...the oil company basically sends a tanker out once a week to empty the holding tank next to the donkey that it's been pumping... a bit like a water well....except it's a stronger pump and a bigger tank (I had a water well on my land too).
An oil company will come along ...survey the land....pay half a dozen neighbors a royalty to drill, the owner does nothing, everyone wins....
You've been to Texas right Scotty? Next time you are in Texas/Oklahoma and you are driving through the countryside count the dipping donkeys...you will see MANY).
The majority of those will be on private land and the owner (if he owns the mineral rights) will be getting a nice royalty check for basically doing nothing (the oil company installs the well and maintains it). The oil company does not care who gets the royalty check either...if you owned six acres and your neighbor owned 10,000 but the best place for the donkey was on your land....you'd get the offer...(and they would probably still put some more on his land too).
The analogy was a broad one.....not a personal one to Scotty and his house in Scunthorpe :)
The long and short of it is that record companies swindle both the listener and the producers of music merely by being middle men.The PRS are just the same, they look after the interests of a few select rich artists, but screw everyone else in their blood thursty lust for power and money. Just for once why cannot a large organisation just be altruistic.
It would be better if they did not exist at all, these days we dont need them, home taping sure didn't kill music, but record company greed sure is stiffling creativity.
All we need now are bands, and an impartial distribution system that takes a small % of each sale regardless of who's selling. This could work for either a web based, or physical distribution approach.
without wanting to derail this thread completely, neither of those things are "better overall"...
an electric motor is better than an IC engine, but it needs a high current electric supply. This works great for trains, but really badly for anything that can't be connected to a mains source. Batteries are rubbish at storing energy and that's not through lack of investment in battery technology.
Hydrogen engines are just a complete dead end and need to die as soon as possible. Hydrogen is inefficient (and harmful to the environment) to produce, difficult to store, and generally not a great idea like the media portray it. Hydrogen won't be the fuel of tomorrow.
No I don't have shares in an oil company, I want to see a better transport solution than the IC engine as much as anyone but realistically batteries and electric motors, or hydrogen based (either combustion or hydrogen batteries) aren't suitable for cars. At least not cars the way we use them now. Luckily fusion is "only 50 years away" so we'll be able to have electric cars powered by fusion reactors! This still leaves the question of how to produce the fuel though. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, but it's not what you'd call abundant in a raw form on Earth :)
I thought they could get hydrogen directly from water fairly cheaply ....or have I watched too much science fiction.
I think the problem with the 'better engine' thing is the fact that there has been little 'serious' effort and investment into developing one....perhaps if some of the billions of dollars made by the car industry over they 100yrs had been put into that then a 'better' more effiencent electic motor would exist.
FYI....the VOLT goes on sale here this year (or next year)...
http://www.chevrolet.com/pages/open/default/future/volt.do
40 mile range on battery and then a gas generator to extend that to '100s of miles' if you don't plug it in.
Mr fusion!! :p
strangely too ive seen on amazon / play, mp3 albums that cost more than the actual cd?? how the smegs that work?
no warehouse to store it, actual materials / packaging, no transport, no human labour to make the physical product and it costs more???
rip off
but someone has to go and buy the CD, burn it, convert it to MP3 then upload it
Tell that to my university which is (rightly or wrongly) ploughing millions into the idea. We have developed a hydrogen bus and a milk float which is parked outside my office. It's currently one of their big swaggers, not that I know too much about the technology behind it.
*we'd have to get rid of speed bumps or you'd break your legs.
Problem solved!
No one thought to tell them Milk Floats are obsolete and everyone buys their milk at the store now? :)
We still get our milk from the milkman :-) He doesn't drive a milk float though, it's a big Ford mini-truck thing that spews god knows what into the atmos. The git doesn't turn up until after 10am either, though given the racket of what he turns up in that may be a good thing ;-)
ive never seen a milk float, its too hilly where i live, so they all drive Toyota pick ups.
i remember as a kid the only job prospects were either working as a milk mans assistant for 15 quid a week or a paperboy for a fiver a week.
i went for the paperboy option but a massive cat knocked me off my BMX. :lol:
I remember the last milk man I had in England...he would deliver after I had gone to work and in the 'damning heat' of England sometimes in summer it would already be 'sour' by the evening.
I told him I was gonna have to let him go because the milk was always bad so he said 'give me another chance'..he came around on the weekend and dug out a hole, lined it with wood and put a lid on it....the cool earth kept the milk cool so solving the problem of the sour milk...I kept him just for all that effort!.
I asked my parents when I was back there last October and they said they hadn't seen a milkman around their way in several years....
Ah more lost golden moments...the schoolkids of today will never experience the delight of stealing a pint of milk and a box of Jam Tarts off a doorstep on their way to school....great days.
(On topic: but the little bastards will steal MP3s of the internet)
what a top milk man. :razz:
you can get hydrogen from water by electrolysis. This means you need lots of electricity... which you get from burning hydrocarbons or coal.
so instead of that which is horribly inefficient you get the hydrogen cheaply from natural gas.
You englishmen are so funny, why can't you get your milk from the shops like everything else? :p
And while i'm at it, why do cabs in London have to be from the sixty's (well they look like it anyway)?
Why have lawyer's and judges have to wear funny wigs in court?
Why are gothgirls almost always fat?
because all the milkmen would be out of a job
for the tourists
to cover the baldness
too much pie.
Do we have the same Milkman? or are they all like that these days.
That's no laughing matter I got knocked off my BMX by a taxi on christmas eve.....I was 20 at the time :lol:
No shit! :D
you were delivering papers on Christmas eve. didn't do so well in your GCSE's huh. :-P
I do remember when it was almost impossible to buy milk in most places, and you had to get it delivered
I did get one A, does that count?