i just said that, maybe your iPhone is playing up.
Or perhaps I just took longer to write my post than you did because I gave a little more thought to it. Also if you'd read my earlier post you'd know what kind of phone I have. :)
i send SMS messages on my PC, either from my dongle, or free ones through the interweb. :)
Why would you SMS from a PC when you can email?
to be fair to the PC though, it can do a fair bit more than an iPhone though in terms of apps. :p
A PC is a computer. The iPhone is a computer. Anything that you can do on a PC you can do on an iPhone if you're determined enough.
The statement that PC is all over iphone is not adequate, because you'll never have a PC everywhere with you. The desire of smart phones creators is to pump as many as possible of features into small handy device you'll have everyvhere with you. It will be in future probably something like that small thing in Startrek.
It's basically selling you something that you don't need, but they and your peers convince you otherwise. I love my iPod to pieces, it's a remarkable invention that has renewed my love of music so I'm no Apple basher, but I draw the line at male trinkets worn by people that get lost so easily :D
i presume there is some clever arse way to do it. but most of my freinds aren't computer geeks who all give me the email adresses of their mobile. :-P
Modern phones have email facilities, which you can set to check for new emails every x no. of minutes, as with Outlook etc. I check my GMail account during the day from my phone.
My old Nokia 6630 had email, but I don't think it had the auto-check option.
Modern phones have email facilities, which you can set to check for new emails every x no. of minutes, as with Outlook etc. I check my GMail account during the day from my phone.
My old Nokia 6630 had email, but I don't think it had the auto-check option.
i dont on mine. a lot of my mates dont even have an email account.
It's basically selling you something that you don't need, but they and your peers convince you otherwise. I love my iPod to pieces, it's a remarkable invention that has renewed my love of music so I'm no Apple basher, but I draw the line at male trinkets worn by people that get lost so easily :D
Funnily enough most of my friends dont have an iphone but their girlfriends/wives do. If they used the iphone for all its features then fair enough but like i said before they just like it for the text message history and Facebook on the go (nooooooo !).
Bit like buying the latest PC, tons of gigs of ram and just using it for surfing/facebook. Such a waste.
it's apple.. it's shiny.. and it an mp3 player also.. is the logic.. oh and all my friends have one
it's funny they were talking about "app bloat" on the radio... useless app's people have on their phones and never use.. I mean I have that problem with vst synths for music.. you can get loads of free ones , but how many you actually use is a very different story.
Java and Flash both put a heavy load on the CPU, particularly Flash. Yes the Android phones support them, but if you actually use them the batteries won't last as long. You could argue that Apple should have given you the choice to drain your battery, but it's a consumer device and most consumers won't realize that Java and Flash pages may leave them unable to make calls without recharging. I have a netbook for when I really need to use the Internet when I'm away from a proper computer.
Talking of unsubstantiated claims Andrew....
I seen Java running on old Pentium processors which ran at 75mhz. I've run my own Java programs on really old computers to test out my programs. I've had no problems and Java did not engulf the machine.
Though I cant speak for Flash.
In my opinion the only reason apple will not allow Flash or Java is because it encourages people to Jailbreak and avoid their app store. Whilst I think the IPhone is fun the fact so many people feel the need to Jailbreak them tells me that Apple are placing too tighter control on what people can do with them.
Living in the UK and Iphone costs silly money, in the US they cost Peanuts in comparison. I bought my phone 2nd hand (4 months old) for ?180, but the Apple would have been near ?250-300 and I would probably only get the 3G model.
Pound for pound Android gives you more, if you ignore price then overall there is pretty much nothing in it.
I don't have an iphone, just a simple nokia, but even that you can setup email on.
2 ways to do it , either use your exsisting email ... OR use the phone networks assigned email (if they support that)
3rd is obv. via wifi..
im not having trouble sending and recieving emails. :p
its easier to send text to some of my mates, im not sitting all my freinds down to go through setting up an email system on their phones, when i can send them a text from my PC. i dont see the need, its not like im sending them attachments or masses of text, im just saying something like 'see you in the pub at 5'.
I seen Java running on old Pentium processors which ran at 75mhz. I've run my own Java programs on really old computers to test out my programs. I've had no problems and Java did not engulf the machine.
they were handheld battery powered pentiums were they? ;)
modern processors are a lot more efficient than old ones when it comes to power management etc.
Java and Flash both put a heavy load on the CPU, particularly Flash. Yes the Android phones support them, but if you actually use them the batteries won't last as long...
This results in a test H.264 video stream, playing in Flash with no hardware acceleration, running for 3 hours over 3G on a Nexus One. Playing casual games should offer 4 hours battery life.
Doesn't seem so bad to me. Anyway, I'll take my chances with a dead battery rather than let some arsehole in Cupertino tell me what is good for me, thanks. ;)
What annoys me is that Apple dont give people that choice.
I know if i watch an mp4 video on my phone the batteries will drain quicker. If i had an iphone and it allowed me to play flash then it looks like it'll drain the batteries quicker but its my choice.
Agree with Scottie, not having flash on an Iphone is nothing to do with battery life, its just Apple and Adobe arent talking so theyre acting like kids.
Talking of unsubstantiated claims Andrew....
I seen Java running on old Pentium processors which ran at 75mhz. I've run my own Java programs on really old computers to test out my programs. I've had no problems and Java did not engulf the machine.
Er, I wasn't saying it engulfed it, I was saying it used more CPU cycles which would drain the battery. If you have a 75Mhz Pentium laptop then the battery's probably shot by now, but even if it were brand new I don't think it would last long running any modern browser based Java game.
Of course playing H.264 video doesn't have a huge overhead since you can do it without using Flash at all. A modern Flash based game would be a better test.
Of course playing H.264 video doesn't have a huge overhead since you can do it without using Flash at all. A modern Flash based game would be a better test.
Er...
Playing casual games should offer 4 hours battery life.
I am considering upgrading my phone to an i-phone when my contract needs renewing with Orange. However, I need to know:
This is a touchy subject. There are those that hate the iPhone due to what it represents rather than what it is, and there are those that love all the alternatives blindly, by vurtue of the alternatives not representing the closed ecosystem of the Apple Egoverse.
I personally own an iPhone 3GS and its a great piece of hardware if you can adjust to typing via a touchscreen and you are OK with feeling like you have joined the ranks of people that sniff their own farts. I bought this phone out of pragmatism. One year ago, it was simply in a class of its own in terms of the software/hardware mix. I really wanted a good Android device but a year ago, the hardware had not yet caught up to the software, so I decided to take a 2 year break and join Android in 2011.
In the last year, many excellent Android handsets have become available. I do advise you look at the Motorola Milestone, the HTC Desire or the budget HTC Wildfire (which is available for free a 12 pound per month contract via 3 I believe in some places).
Android is a great Operating System that free and Open to customize and tinker with. That said, my own experience of Android is that the iPhone is a little smoother in terms of navigation and speed of operation (subjective though) but that Android trumps the iPhone in terms of features and is increasingly destroying the iPhone in terms of platform features (the app store count of apps is a silly indicator of software quality).
Jailbreaking an iPhone will allow you to install emulators and other homebrew applications without Apple having to authorize (emulators are forbidden in the app store unless the emulator is used as an engine for a finite number of snapshots/tapes/roms). Apple doesn't like you using your own device for your own purposes but they can't stop you doing it.
1) Is it an easy / open to use MP3 player – i.e. easy to drag and drop mp3 files?
I have heard that i-pods can be a bit crap in this department, in that they won’t let you put mp3’s on them that have not been ripped with the actual apple software. Is this true? (I have already spent many hours ripping my CD collection to mp3 on my PC and I aint doing it again).
iPhones require iTunes to get the best out of the device. You can install some software that will permit drag and drop but then you will not be able to synch your computer to your phone and backup all your pictures/contacts/videos etc. iTunes is a terrible bloated piece of software that tries to install Safari on your PC for no good reason but if you want an iPhone, with your valuable data backed up, you have to bend over. Apple knows how you like it.
2) Is the i-phone easy to use as a camera – i.e. quick to put in camera mode for a quick snap? With my current phone, I open the lens cover thing and it switches to being a camera immediately.
Not so fast to put in camera mode. You have to press the power button, then put in your security code, then locate the camera app, then click the camera app, then wait for it to initialize then you can snap away. For me, this takes around 7 seconds but could take around 4 seconds if you don't lock your phone with a passcode. Also, sometimes I hit the wrong icon as I instinctively hit the email icon. Its not entirely ergonomic but the problem is more with my brain I think.
3) Does the battery run out quickly? My current phone is great in that respect, it lasts about a week.
iPhones and Android devices are mini laptop computers. If you switch off the wifi and don't touch it during the day, your battery could last up to 2 days. If you use it in a regular way, you will probably get a maximum of 24 hours out of the device, probably less. Smart phones will always use more power than feature phones as 3G takes more power than 2.5G networks, WiFi takes more power, you will use the phone more as it is literally like having the world in your pocket.
You will get used to it though and lots of people I know have a second charger at work and do a mid-day charge. Expect the battery to last up to 18 months before you wear it out and have to buy a new one.
Smartphones are amazing devices and within a few years, everybody will have one. The will become cheaper and cheaper over time and Android will be the standard phone OS within one or two years. iPhones are great for now but the mainstream audience is waiting for the price to drop to something reasonable. Android allows phone manufacturers to target the low end as well as the high end. The mainstrean is waiting for Smartphones to drop to the price of regular feature phones, not to pay huge premiums for a transparent self-indulgent pyramid to be installed in Shanghai or for ridiculous profit margins for the polo-neck wearing elite. Android allows phones to be sold without contract at less than 200 pounds currently and within a year, it will be down to 100, within three years, less than 50 pounds (at the low end of course).
Please note, Android 3.0 will be released in October/November alongside dozens of new handsets at all pricepoints. Android represents choice over conformity. If you could wait until then, I think you would be surprised at what is coming next.
You can get compasses on a phone? Hmmm... That would be useful for me as I like very long walks through hills and forests - a compass and map app would be very useful for me.
Add that to a phone, together with plenty of storage space, MP3 capability, Web access, and preferably DAB radio, and I might buy one.
Er, I wasn't saying it engulfed it, I was saying it used more CPU cycles which would drain the battery. If you have a 75Mhz Pentium laptop then the battery's probably shot by now, but even if it were brand new I don't think it would last long running any modern browser based Java game.
Of course playing H.264 video doesn't have a huge overhead since you can do it without using Flash at all. A modern Flash based game would be a better test.
I would say by far the biggest drain when playing games would be having the screen on all the time and not Java or Flash. Though I do understand savings should be made where possible.
iPhones and Android devices are mini laptop computers. If you switch off the wifi and don't touch it during the day, your battery could last up to 2 days. If you use it in a regular way, you will probably get a maximum of 24 hours out of the device, probably less.
Well I have an Sony Ericson Xperia X10, I got it on Saturday and it was charged to 75%. I've been tinkering with it on and off since and connecting to the Wifi at Work and Home almost permanently. I have also made several phone calls. The phone only needed charging last night.
That's proximately 55 hours of use. Given it was not fully charged when I got it I'm sure I would have got 60 hours out of it, if not a little more.
You can get compasses on a phone? Hmmm... That would be useful for me as I like very long walks through hills and forests - a compass and map app would be very useful for me.
Add that to a phone, together with plenty of storage space, MP3 capability, Web access, and preferably DAB radio, and I might buy one.
Agreed.
I use the compass all the time in my iPhone. If I visit a new area and I'm looking for a particular address. Sometimes I need to know which way I am facing as well as my position. Some places just have a lack of landmarks and thats where the compass is really useful.
Well I have an Sony Ericson Xperia X10, I got it on Saturday and it was charged to 75%. I've been tinkering with it on and off since and connecting to the Wifi at Work and Home almost permanently. I have also made several phone calls. The phone only needed charging last night.
That's proximately 55 hours of use. Given it was not fully charged when I got it I'm sure I would have got 60 hours out of it, if not a little more.
I think perhaps I play a few more games on my phone than average plus I use Skype for a couple of hours a day. Even so, that sounds like good battery life.
It's important to note at this point that all the iphone detractors are people who have never actually owned one. I felt the same way..until I got one.
I use the compass all the time in my iPhone. If I visit a new area and I'm looking for a particular address. Sometimes I need to know which way I am facing as well as my position. Some places just have a lack of landmarks and thats where the compass is really useful.
Eh why not just use maps feature which pinpoints your position on the map in real-time....I've used mine in Sam Houston national forest to navigate back to the car when I got lost.
So before you had a phone with a compass on it and you needed to go somewhere you'd never been before, did any one here actually carry a compass or did they just use common sense, signs, an a-z and some brains?
So before you had a phone with a compass on it and you needed to go somewhere you'd never been before, did any one here actually carry a compass or did they just use common sense, signs, an a-z and some brains?
I'm getting an iPhone tommorow!
The same question can be aimed at mobile phones in general...what did people do before them. :)
The location services though offer more than just a compass, I use mine all the time to find bars/restaurants/gas stations etc when I am in a new town or unfamiliar place....click on the 'Where' app...put in restaurants....get a list of the nearest ones with the milage and a link to the website review, driving directions etc.
Live somewhere like Texas where you can have 100 miles of nothing but road with no landmarks...the compass can actually be useful.
The same question can be aimed at mobile phones in general...what did people do before them. :)
went to argos, bought a camera, took a picture of their cock, droped the film off at boots, picked it up the next day. then posted it to a collegue at work. 4 days later they got back an out of focus photo of a pair of tits.
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That's not the point. You said the PC outclassed the iPhone in every respect. Not at telling which way is North it doesn't.
Or perhaps I just took longer to write my post than you did because I gave a little more thought to it. Also if you'd read my earlier post you'd know what kind of phone I have. :)
Why would you SMS from a PC when you can email?
A PC is a computer. The iPhone is a computer. Anything that you can do on a PC you can do on an iPhone if you're determined enough.
Have you noticed how 99% of the content on the WoS forums is unsubstantiated opinion?
I've seen that clip from Downfall so many times that I can understand the German now and the joke doesn't work any more. Good movie though.
any more?!?!?
how do you send an email to a mobile?
i presume there is some clever arse way to do it. but most of my freinds aren't computer geeks who all give me the email adresses of their mobile. :-P
Modern phones have email facilities, which you can set to check for new emails every x no. of minutes, as with Outlook etc. I check my GMail account during the day from my phone.
My old Nokia 6630 had email, but I don't think it had the auto-check option.
i dont on mine. a lot of my mates dont even have an email account.
you just setup your email address on the phone really... or before it used to be your number@phoneco.com etc..
mile, this covers it I think >
http://kb.mediatemple.net/questions/720/HOWTO%3A+Set+up+email+on+the+iPhone+or+the+iPod+Touch
I don't have an iphone, just a simple nokia, but even that you can setup email on.
2 ways to do it , either use your exsisting email ... OR use the phone networks assigned email (if they support that)
3rd is obv. via wifi..
Funnily enough most of my friends dont have an iphone but their girlfriends/wives do. If they used the iphone for all its features then fair enough but like i said before they just like it for the text message history and Facebook on the go (nooooooo !).
Bit like buying the latest PC, tons of gigs of ram and just using it for surfing/facebook. Such a waste.
it's funny they were talking about "app bloat" on the radio... useless app's people have on their phones and never use.. I mean I have that problem with vst synths for music.. you can get loads of free ones , but how many you actually use is a very different story.
Talking of unsubstantiated claims Andrew....
I seen Java running on old Pentium processors which ran at 75mhz. I've run my own Java programs on really old computers to test out my programs. I've had no problems and Java did not engulf the machine.
Though I cant speak for Flash.
In my opinion the only reason apple will not allow Flash or Java is because it encourages people to Jailbreak and avoid their app store. Whilst I think the IPhone is fun the fact so many people feel the need to Jailbreak them tells me that Apple are placing too tighter control on what people can do with them.
Living in the UK and Iphone costs silly money, in the US they cost Peanuts in comparison. I bought my phone 2nd hand (4 months old) for ?180, but the Apple would have been near ?250-300 and I would probably only get the 3G model.
Pound for pound Android gives you more, if you ignore price then overall there is pretty much nothing in it.
im not having trouble sending and recieving emails. :p
its easier to send text to some of my mates, im not sitting all my freinds down to go through setting up an email system on their phones, when i can send them a text from my PC. i dont see the need, its not like im sending them attachments or masses of text, im just saying something like 'see you in the pub at 5'.
wish i hadn't bleeding mentioned it now. :p
they were handheld battery powered pentiums were they? ;)
modern processors are a lot more efficient than old ones when it comes to power management etc.
Flash 10.1 has been optimised for use on mobile devices: http://androidboss.com/android-froyo-2-2-with-flash-10-1/
Doesn't seem so bad to me. Anyway, I'll take my chances with a dead battery rather than let some arsehole in Cupertino tell me what is good for me, thanks. ;)
I know if i watch an mp4 video on my phone the batteries will drain quicker. If i had an iphone and it allowed me to play flash then it looks like it'll drain the batteries quicker but its my choice.
Agree with Scottie, not having flash on an Iphone is nothing to do with battery life, its just Apple and Adobe arent talking so theyre acting like kids.
Er, I wasn't saying it engulfed it, I was saying it used more CPU cycles which would drain the battery. If you have a 75Mhz Pentium laptop then the battery's probably shot by now, but even if it were brand new I don't think it would last long running any modern browser based Java game.
Of course playing H.264 video doesn't have a huge overhead since you can do it without using Flash at all. A modern Flash based game would be a better test.
Er...
This is a touchy subject. There are those that hate the iPhone due to what it represents rather than what it is, and there are those that love all the alternatives blindly, by vurtue of the alternatives not representing the closed ecosystem of the Apple Egoverse.
I personally own an iPhone 3GS and its a great piece of hardware if you can adjust to typing via a touchscreen and you are OK with feeling like you have joined the ranks of people that sniff their own farts. I bought this phone out of pragmatism. One year ago, it was simply in a class of its own in terms of the software/hardware mix. I really wanted a good Android device but a year ago, the hardware had not yet caught up to the software, so I decided to take a 2 year break and join Android in 2011.
In the last year, many excellent Android handsets have become available. I do advise you look at the Motorola Milestone, the HTC Desire or the budget HTC Wildfire (which is available for free a 12 pound per month contract via 3 I believe in some places).
Android is a great Operating System that free and Open to customize and tinker with. That said, my own experience of Android is that the iPhone is a little smoother in terms of navigation and speed of operation (subjective though) but that Android trumps the iPhone in terms of features and is increasingly destroying the iPhone in terms of platform features (the app store count of apps is a silly indicator of software quality).
Jailbreaking an iPhone will allow you to install emulators and other homebrew applications without Apple having to authorize (emulators are forbidden in the app store unless the emulator is used as an engine for a finite number of snapshots/tapes/roms). Apple doesn't like you using your own device for your own purposes but they can't stop you doing it.
iPhones require iTunes to get the best out of the device. You can install some software that will permit drag and drop but then you will not be able to synch your computer to your phone and backup all your pictures/contacts/videos etc. iTunes is a terrible bloated piece of software that tries to install Safari on your PC for no good reason but if you want an iPhone, with your valuable data backed up, you have to bend over. Apple knows how you like it.
Not so fast to put in camera mode. You have to press the power button, then put in your security code, then locate the camera app, then click the camera app, then wait for it to initialize then you can snap away. For me, this takes around 7 seconds but could take around 4 seconds if you don't lock your phone with a passcode. Also, sometimes I hit the wrong icon as I instinctively hit the email icon. Its not entirely ergonomic but the problem is more with my brain I think.
iPhones and Android devices are mini laptop computers. If you switch off the wifi and don't touch it during the day, your battery could last up to 2 days. If you use it in a regular way, you will probably get a maximum of 24 hours out of the device, probably less. Smart phones will always use more power than feature phones as 3G takes more power than 2.5G networks, WiFi takes more power, you will use the phone more as it is literally like having the world in your pocket.
You will get used to it though and lots of people I know have a second charger at work and do a mid-day charge. Expect the battery to last up to 18 months before you wear it out and have to buy a new one.
Smartphones are amazing devices and within a few years, everybody will have one. The will become cheaper and cheaper over time and Android will be the standard phone OS within one or two years. iPhones are great for now but the mainstream audience is waiting for the price to drop to something reasonable. Android allows phone manufacturers to target the low end as well as the high end. The mainstrean is waiting for Smartphones to drop to the price of regular feature phones, not to pay huge premiums for a transparent self-indulgent pyramid to be installed in Shanghai or for ridiculous profit margins for the polo-neck wearing elite. Android allows phones to be sold without contract at less than 200 pounds currently and within a year, it will be down to 100, within three years, less than 50 pounds (at the low end of course).
Please note, Android 3.0 will be released in October/November alongside dozens of new handsets at all pricepoints. Android represents choice over conformity. If you could wait until then, I think you would be surprised at what is coming next.
You can get compasses on a phone? Hmmm... That would be useful for me as I like very long walks through hills and forests - a compass and map app would be very useful for me.
Add that to a phone, together with plenty of storage space, MP3 capability, Web access, and preferably DAB radio, and I might buy one.
I would say by far the biggest drain when playing games would be having the screen on all the time and not Java or Flash. Though I do understand savings should be made where possible.
Well I have an Sony Ericson Xperia X10, I got it on Saturday and it was charged to 75%. I've been tinkering with it on and off since and connecting to the Wifi at Work and Home almost permanently. I have also made several phone calls. The phone only needed charging last night.
That's proximately 55 hours of use. Given it was not fully charged when I got it I'm sure I would have got 60 hours out of it, if not a little more.
Agreed.
I use the compass all the time in my iPhone. If I visit a new area and I'm looking for a particular address. Sometimes I need to know which way I am facing as well as my position. Some places just have a lack of landmarks and thats where the compass is really useful.
I think perhaps I play a few more games on my phone than average plus I use Skype for a couple of hours a day. Even so, that sounds like good battery life.
Eh why not just use maps feature which pinpoints your position on the map in real-time....I've used mine in Sam Houston national forest to navigate back to the car when I got lost.
I'm getting an iPhone tommorow!
The same question can be aimed at mobile phones in general...what did people do before them. :)
The location services though offer more than just a compass, I use mine all the time to find bars/restaurants/gas stations etc when I am in a new town or unfamiliar place....click on the 'Where' app...put in restaurants....get a list of the nearest ones with the milage and a link to the website review, driving directions etc.
Live somewhere like Texas where you can have 100 miles of nothing but road with no landmarks...the compass can actually be useful.
went to argos, bought a camera, took a picture of their cock, droped the film off at boots, picked it up the next day. then posted it to a collegue at work. 4 days later they got back an out of focus photo of a pair of tits.