When Jack98 first posted this, I wanted to write something funny, but gave up as it's beyond satire. Not just at how iresponsible and worthless he is, nor how stupid she is, but how commonplace the situation is (though admittedly he's a little, but not too much extreme).
As people in this thread say, scum like him play the system. And they win, whereas many deserving people get endless hassle or even no joy at all when trying to claim benefits that they are morally entitled to.
When I call him scum, by the way, I don't mean for scrounging off the system. I certainly don't agree with him doing that, but I don't think he's scum for doing that, the people who make the rules (so badly) that allow him to abuse the system the way he does (and hundreds of thousands, if not millions more do to) are idiots incapable of sorting the system out properly.
Yet I don't say he's scum for that - instead that makes him lazy, a bad example, maybe even a parasite, but to be fair, if I could get by without working then I'd be tempted (very tempted, if the money was good), all the more so because so many other people did the same, to be unemployed and get up when I liked, spend all the time playing games (I have a stack of new (to me, at least) games I can't find time to play), and have an easy life. No getting up when it's dark, no freezing walks to the train station, no long train/bus rides (that I have to pay for myself) to take myself to whatever badly paid job an agency has arranged for me for a few weeks or months. No getting home anywhere between seven to nine (sometimes later) pm. Not how I pictured my future life when I was at school.
But what makes him scum is that he's got so many kids who he obviously cares nothing for, and is equally obviously going to add to that number. He expects the state to look after his kids, and with good reason - the state does do so. I'm certainly not saying we shouldn't support single mothers (we should), but we should be forcing people like him to work for their dole.
Don't get me wrong, I am categorically against the work-for-your-dole laws that (rich) people think we should have. If someone is unemployed through no fault of their own, then they should not have to work to get their giro - they paid their national insurance, so they are entitled to dole whilst looking for work. And the people who say "The unemployed should sweep streets for forty hours a week for their giro" are either selfish or unthinkiing, as yes, make the unemployed sweep the streets for forty hours a week, but pay them the full wages - they do a full job they deserve full wages. Anything else is slave labour.
But I'd force the genuine skivers, like him, to work a full week and get a full wage. The streets are filfthy round here, get him doing that, or picking up dumped rubbish on canals, or any other number of unskilled jobs that him and other skivers can be given that need doing, and make sure that they work, don't allow them to skive or not turn up.
Lots of people who are out of work are decent, law abiding people, who genuinely want a good job with fair pay. And there are people who are unable to work, with emotional problems that you often don't even know they have, and they are genuinely unable to work, and deserve far more help than they get know (and our alrady underfunded mental health services are being stripped away). And trust me, sometimes you can't tell at all who these people are, sometimes they seem so well balanced and fortunate in life, when really their whole life is built on quicksand. I could tell you things about some people that would break your heart. And every one of the people I know like that is a very decent person. I sometimes think that mabye since they've suffered so much themselves it makes them understand what suffering is, which is why they are so empathetic and decent. I don't know.
Anyway, my point is there is a large part of the unemployed who will not work. Even if you force them into a job they'll skive off endlessly, and some will even deliberately mess up so badly they get the push, knowing that the state won't let them starve. These are the ones who go to the pub daily (most unemployed who want to work don't spend their time in pubs), spend every day like we spend our day off, and make no effort at all to find work (although job hunting is soul destroyingly horrible, it is necessary, and you can get help with it). They range from likeable but lazy people, to real scum, and inbetween. And that chav in the link is obviously well towards the latter end of the scale, and I can guarantee that both he and his fiance (the one in the top picture) are "well pleased" at the tabloid's interest in them, and not ashamed to death, as you or I would be.
We have a whole subculture of scum, and it's things like the welfare system that keeps it alive. As I said, I don't agree with those who want to end the benefit system, nor do I agree that all the unemployed should be treated as second class citizens, but some people clearly are milking the system and making the whole unemployed group look bad.
If they made it law, as many people would argue they should (me included) that a man should pay for part of his children's upbringing, regardless of circumstances (i.e. if he sees the kid or not), then that chav would definitely have worn a condom. And he should definitely be made to work, he is capable of it, and clearly not unemployed either through lack of jobs or because he's unable to hold down reasonable unemployment.
Sorry, this is getting me worked up, so I'm not going to check it for errors, just post it. It really irritates me that the welfare system, which doesn't do nearly enough for the genuinely deserving, is so open to abuse by those who don't deseverve anything.
Great post ewgf,you where correct in your wording,and i think even to appear in the paper glorying it shows no shame,although saying that,it has gone into a career choice for some families,its the system itself can make people like this slip through the net.
Update-More kids on the way :lol:*i think the papers are getting mixed up!.
Just one paragraph I need to give my opinion on though...It's about the way people perceive what being on the dole is like...if you've never been long term unemployed, it may seem like this...(oh, and again it's just for general reading...you go on in your post to show you realise that everyone on the dole is not the same.. :) )
to be unemployed and get up when I liked, spend all the time playing games (I have a stack of new (to me, at least) games I can't find time to play), and have an easy life. No getting up when it's dark, no freezing walks to the train station, no long train/bus rides (that I have to pay for myself) to take myself to whatever badly paid job an agency has arranged for me for a few weeks or months. No getting home anywhere between seven to nine (sometimes later) pm.
All this would be fine for the first few weeks...but despite what people think, having all day to yourself is not always fun....yes I can spend all day playing games, or watching TV, or go to the pub or for a walk around town....but I still need to find the funds to do all of this. Bills need paid, games require cash, etc...
Plus, after a few weeks unemployment you start getting really bored, just like you would if you were on a really long holiday, and want something else to do. Playing games becomes boring surprisingly quickly and TV is filled with nonsense like Jeremy Kyle...mind you, having said that, if it wasn't for my games collection I probably would have went insane (more insane? ;) ) by now...
And you don't always get to sleep until you want to..you still need to be places! The jobcentre, an employment course, work experience, etc....and you need to mingle with all sorts of undesirables (some decent folk too, but a lot of undesirables who really don't want to be there, usually because it's stopping them doing the plumbing they do on the side)...And sometimes, the acual staff in these places can be more annoying than the most annoying boss you've ever had, so you have to deal with that as well! :)
More often than not, you'll find unemployed people with insomnia too. Not working tends to leave you more awake than usual, so it starts like that...staying up late, then grows into not actually being able to get to sleep!
There are still freezing walks, and if you do go to the Jobcentre or into town for a course, or on a jobhunt...you still need to pay the fare yourself...you don't get a free bus pass or anything! And the employment agencies still send you to bad jobs, except it's only for work experience so they're even worse paid..:lol: And I quite often end up not getting home until 8 or 9 at night after being somewhere I'm required to be by the jobcentre to keep getting my dole money....I'm not saying it shouldn't be like this, just pointing out that it's not all just sitting about in bliss. It is definitely, definitely very far from an easy life though!!
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Fair enough then....tell him next time to try not and spit in my face though...and to stop saying I look like Michael McIntyre.....
Or Michael Barrymore :lol:
As people in this thread say, scum like him play the system. And they win, whereas many deserving people get endless hassle or even no joy at all when trying to claim benefits that they are morally entitled to.
When I call him scum, by the way, I don't mean for scrounging off the system. I certainly don't agree with him doing that, but I don't think he's scum for doing that, the people who make the rules (so badly) that allow him to abuse the system the way he does (and hundreds of thousands, if not millions more do to) are idiots incapable of sorting the system out properly.
Yet I don't say he's scum for that - instead that makes him lazy, a bad example, maybe even a parasite, but to be fair, if I could get by without working then I'd be tempted (very tempted, if the money was good), all the more so because so many other people did the same, to be unemployed and get up when I liked, spend all the time playing games (I have a stack of new (to me, at least) games I can't find time to play), and have an easy life. No getting up when it's dark, no freezing walks to the train station, no long train/bus rides (that I have to pay for myself) to take myself to whatever badly paid job an agency has arranged for me for a few weeks or months. No getting home anywhere between seven to nine (sometimes later) pm. Not how I pictured my future life when I was at school.
But what makes him scum is that he's got so many kids who he obviously cares nothing for, and is equally obviously going to add to that number. He expects the state to look after his kids, and with good reason - the state does do so. I'm certainly not saying we shouldn't support single mothers (we should), but we should be forcing people like him to work for their dole.
Don't get me wrong, I am categorically against the work-for-your-dole laws that (rich) people think we should have. If someone is unemployed through no fault of their own, then they should not have to work to get their giro - they paid their national insurance, so they are entitled to dole whilst looking for work. And the people who say "The unemployed should sweep streets for forty hours a week for their giro" are either selfish or unthinkiing, as yes, make the unemployed sweep the streets for forty hours a week, but pay them the full wages - they do a full job they deserve full wages. Anything else is slave labour.
But I'd force the genuine skivers, like him, to work a full week and get a full wage. The streets are filfthy round here, get him doing that, or picking up dumped rubbish on canals, or any other number of unskilled jobs that him and other skivers can be given that need doing, and make sure that they work, don't allow them to skive or not turn up.
Lots of people who are out of work are decent, law abiding people, who genuinely want a good job with fair pay. And there are people who are unable to work, with emotional problems that you often don't even know they have, and they are genuinely unable to work, and deserve far more help than they get know (and our alrady underfunded mental health services are being stripped away). And trust me, sometimes you can't tell at all who these people are, sometimes they seem so well balanced and fortunate in life, when really their whole life is built on quicksand. I could tell you things about some people that would break your heart. And every one of the people I know like that is a very decent person. I sometimes think that mabye since they've suffered so much themselves it makes them understand what suffering is, which is why they are so empathetic and decent. I don't know.
Anyway, my point is there is a large part of the unemployed who will not work. Even if you force them into a job they'll skive off endlessly, and some will even deliberately mess up so badly they get the push, knowing that the state won't let them starve. These are the ones who go to the pub daily (most unemployed who want to work don't spend their time in pubs), spend every day like we spend our day off, and make no effort at all to find work (although job hunting is soul destroyingly horrible, it is necessary, and you can get help with it). They range from likeable but lazy people, to real scum, and inbetween. And that chav in the link is obviously well towards the latter end of the scale, and I can guarantee that both he and his fiance (the one in the top picture) are "well pleased" at the tabloid's interest in them, and not ashamed to death, as you or I would be.
We have a whole subculture of scum, and it's things like the welfare system that keeps it alive. As I said, I don't agree with those who want to end the benefit system, nor do I agree that all the unemployed should be treated as second class citizens, but some people clearly are milking the system and making the whole unemployed group look bad.
If they made it law, as many people would argue they should (me included) that a man should pay for part of his children's upbringing, regardless of circumstances (i.e. if he sees the kid or not), then that chav would definitely have worn a condom. And he should definitely be made to work, he is capable of it, and clearly not unemployed either through lack of jobs or because he's unable to hold down reasonable unemployment.
Sorry, this is getting me worked up, so I'm not going to check it for errors, just post it. It really irritates me that the welfare system, which doesn't do nearly enough for the genuinely deserving, is so open to abuse by those who don't deseverve anything.
Update-More kids on the way :lol:*i think the papers are getting mixed up!.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333784/Unemployed-father-10-Keith-Macdonald-having-4-children-engaged.html
Just one paragraph I need to give my opinion on though...It's about the way people perceive what being on the dole is like...if you've never been long term unemployed, it may seem like this...(oh, and again it's just for general reading...you go on in your post to show you realise that everyone on the dole is not the same.. :) )
All this would be fine for the first few weeks...but despite what people think, having all day to yourself is not always fun....yes I can spend all day playing games, or watching TV, or go to the pub or for a walk around town....but I still need to find the funds to do all of this. Bills need paid, games require cash, etc...
Plus, after a few weeks unemployment you start getting really bored, just like you would if you were on a really long holiday, and want something else to do. Playing games becomes boring surprisingly quickly and TV is filled with nonsense like Jeremy Kyle...mind you, having said that, if it wasn't for my games collection I probably would have went insane (more insane? ;) ) by now...
And you don't always get to sleep until you want to..you still need to be places! The jobcentre, an employment course, work experience, etc....and you need to mingle with all sorts of undesirables (some decent folk too, but a lot of undesirables who really don't want to be there, usually because it's stopping them doing the plumbing they do on the side)...And sometimes, the acual staff in these places can be more annoying than the most annoying boss you've ever had, so you have to deal with that as well! :)
More often than not, you'll find unemployed people with insomnia too. Not working tends to leave you more awake than usual, so it starts like that...staying up late, then grows into not actually being able to get to sleep!
There are still freezing walks, and if you do go to the Jobcentre or into town for a course, or on a jobhunt...you still need to pay the fare yourself...you don't get a free bus pass or anything! And the employment agencies still send you to bad jobs, except it's only for work experience so they're even worse paid..:lol: And I quite often end up not getting home until 8 or 9 at night after being somewhere I'm required to be by the jobcentre to keep getting my dole money....I'm not saying it shouldn't be like this, just pointing out that it's not all just sitting about in bliss. It is definitely, definitely very far from an easy life though!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4-4GqqK9Hs
Has the trampy bast got a hickey on his neck there as well?
Jeez! :roll: