...but I'm let down. Don't get me wrong, it looks the business, but... it's not YS.
Hmmm... just thinking aloud here, but I wonder if there'll be a large difference of opinion between ex-YS writers and ex-YS readers?
For the writers there'd be more of an emotional attachment to the mag, for them it would me more that just the pics and text on the pages, it would be the writing process, the assembly process, the interaction with the other staff, etc.
For the readers who've been shielded away from most of that, they'd have a different outlook. Would they detect the "soul" of YS?
Of course I could be talking garbage and won't really know the answer until I see it for myself, and at that time I'll make damn sure everyone will know if I'm pleased or displeased with it ;)
On 2004-10-20 23:33, NickH wrote:
Hmmm... just thinking aloud here, but I wonder if there'll be a large difference of opinion between ex-YS writers and ex-YS readers?
For the writers there'd be more of an emotional attachment to the mag, for them it would me more that just the pics and text on the pages, it would be the writing process, the assembly process, the interaction with the other staff, etc.
...but I'm let down. Don't get me wrong, it looks the business, but... it's not YS. It tries hard, but the soul's missing.
Thats the exact thing i was railing against, IT IS NOT YS, YS is dead and for some reason everybody suddenly thinks its the son of god bloody rising up again.
everybody should take a chill out pill, calm daown and take it for what it is....a free 32 extra harking back to YS as it was then, not trying to reclaim its crown.....yes i read ys and the rest but they were only magazines, they all died years ago, now theyre ok for a read now and again
Professional Mel-the-Bell Simulator................"So realistic, I found myself reaching for the Kleenex King-Size!" - Richard Darling
...but I'm let down. Don't get me wrong, it looks the business, but... it's not YS. It tries hard, but the soul's missing.
Thats the exact thing i was railing against, IT IS NOT YS, YS is dead and for some reason everybody suddenly thinks its the son of god bloody rising up again.
everybody should take a chill out pill, calm daown and take it for what it is....a free 32 extra harking back to YS as it was then, not trying to reclaim its crown.....yes i read ys and the rest but they were only magazines, they all died years ago, now theyre ok for a read now and again
Erm, well, look at it this way. YS was a magazine about Sinclair computers, with (in all the time I read it) a large red&white logo on the front reading Your Sinclair. It had reviews and tips and nonsense in it, and was rather good.
This thing on retro-gamer is a magazine about Sinclair computers, with a large red&white logo on the front reading Your Sinclair. It had reviews and tips and nonsense in it, and I will tell you how good it is when I've got mine in the post :)
So. It IS YS, by all of the criteria mentioned above. So, it's not the same YS that was out years ago with exactly the same people writing for it but, quite frankly, who cares?
Far too many of you by the looks of it.
On 2004-10-20 23:57, mel the bell wrote:
Thats the exact thing i was railing against, IT IS NOT YS, YS is dead and for some reason everybody suddenly thinks its the son of god bloody rising up again.
:lol:
And let's not forget the wider picture here - a project like this will hopefully jog the memories of a much wider bunch of people than just the die-hard YS fans who want everything to be just-so. Yes it's partly to do with selling magazines, but through increasing circulation RG create a wider market for still more projects.
Are you listening Amstrad?
Colin
[ This Message was edited by: woodcock88 on 2004-10-21 00:48 ]
At the end of the day i'm happy as hell Retro Gamer did that supplement. It might not appeal to some true YS purists but i think the vast majority really like it.
Yes i would like to see Retro Gamer be a bit more 'relaxed' and more like YS in the old days but then again many people wouldnt. I mean jesus there was one letter moaning about graphic content in pictures and also a swearword or two !
You make it like YS some people will be happy some wont, you cant win.
As for the magazine being overpriced come on ! No ones forcing anyone to buy it plus compared to the price of tons of other things its not bad at all. Obviously the majority dont mind the price as thats why its switched to monthly. Your Sinclair was 2.50 with a tape and that was 10 years ago ! Retro Gamer at 6 quid with a cd full of stuff isnt that bad when you compare it to a thin Your Sinclair with a tape for 2.50
The YS supplement really bought back those memories of the old days, i would LOVE it if they could do an annual or 6th month type magazine with the latest news on the Spectrum. That would be incredible, who knows. If the publishers knew this was so popular (and not everyone moaning about tiny details) then there could be a good case for some 6 monthly special.
[ This Message was edited by: psj3809 on 2004-10-21 10:52 ]
Hey, you can't please all the people all of the time. I'm not offended by someone not liking my reviews, though I thought I did some pretty good stuff for YS. (Fuller archive here: http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/world/ys.htm)
Anyway, I'm glad to see that at least the likes of Tzer and JD have made an appearance in the "new" YS. I'll be having a look with interest when it eventually reaches some newsagent's shelves.
On 2004-10-20 23:12, Stevatron wrote:
Well, received Retro Gamer today. I'd love to say how great I think the YS 'issue' is...
...but I'm let down. Don't get me wrong, it looks the business, but... it's not YS. It tries hard, but the soul's missing. Stuart Campbell is completely right, in my opinion. I hope Live don't do another, not the way it's come out. Sorry Shaun.
The wife was entertained to see me looking so young in the back though =)
Steve
No problems, you are entitled to your opinion, but we were simply hoping to pay hamage to YS in our own style, not be YS to such an extreme as to p**s people off. The idea was "what would YS be if it was around today", and so obviously the newish games therefore were mentioned and so on. There also wasn't that much of the lingo "Spec-chums, Yikes!" etc.... which was a point of debate.
We also tried to use the same sort of paper and bold designs and so on. For instance, the "TRUE SPECTRUM FACTS" is virtually unreadable, but this is how some of the articles appeared on occasions back in the day.
Many will like it, and many wont. You are not forced to buy it, and if you don't like it (as a subscriber) then why not give it to someone else who perhaps would?
I seriously reckon that if this is a success then Live Publishing could always think of doing a 6 monthly special.
I mean the amount of retro gamers currently is huge, WOS has a ton of members and theres many other speccy sites out there.
Instead of people nitpicking the YS supplement if Live Publishing saw that there could be some success in an 'Annual' or 6 month special I could imagine they might release one.
Mad i dont think so, if you said 2 years ago there would be a Retro Gaming magazine doing very well you would be quite surprised. I would be interested to know how many extra copies (or maybe less) Retro Gamer Issue 9 has sold compared to past issues.
On a small point of order - I would imagine that the issue is bagged, and hence browse-proof. Therefore, anyone who wants to know if the "new YS" is any good or not DOES have to buy it.
Well, I went back through it again last night, once recovered from my initial disappointment. I stand by what I said. It looks spot-on; the use of colour and swirly backgrounds is great. But it's just not right in lots of ways.
It reminds me of when Nickelodeon kicked John Kricfalusi and Spumco out of the production of Ren and Stimpy, and had Bob Camp take over with Games Animation. It looked right and sounded right, but it lacked the nuances that raised Ren and Stimpy over other cartoons. Once again, the soul had gone.
I think as a look back at YS it's fine, but the controversy is down to actually calling it Your Sinclair issue 94. It. Just. Ain't. (And the cover was in the wrong paper. Far too flimsy. But I'm just picking holes now because one of my ceilings has collapsed.)
Let us not lose sight of the fact that, regardless of whether or not the YS supplement captures the spirit of the original, it is still a great treat for all us spec-chums. Who would have thought a year ago that we would ever again see any publication devoted to the Spectrum gracing the shelves in a newsagent? Even if it is just a supplement to another magazine (which itself is an amazing achievement).
I was a Sinclair User reader back in the day (even though with hindsight, Your Sinclair would probably have been a better choice for me). So I'm not concerned whether the supplement captures the feel of YS in its glory days, or whether it's more in tune with the later issues, or indeed whether it isn't a patch on the original. What I AM interested in (and Yes, Mel, I AM getting very excited about this) is that we have a publication that is dedicated to the Spectrum exclusively, and pays hommage to one of the best computer magazines ever created. The feeling of finally being able to read reviews of new Spectrum games again in a real Spectrum magazine will be amazing. It just didn't occur to me that this would ever happen. Just a year ago, we thought that we would never see a mainstream Retro magazine. Maybe in a year time, we can celebrate a resurgent, monthly Your Sinclair? OK - maybe very unrealistic - but why not? The Spectrum scene just seems to be going from strength to strength. I sense such a positive energy at the moment that anything seems possible! :D
I haven't read the supplement yet. But if the comments from those who have are anything to go by; I can't wait until I do. I really hope that we can see more YS supplements in the future, with further updates on the scene. While the Spectrum scene is so healthly, there will always be room for this type of thing. I think that a very big and heart-felt thanks is in order for everyone at Retro Gamer and elsewhere who have taken me totally be surprise to make this a reality. You've brought hope to this jaded and cynical Spectrum fanatic! :)
I totally agree, its depressing to read the bitchfest et.
Just lots of little picks etc, I get a subscription copy of RG but I dont know in WHSmiths or not if the YS supplement is in plastic or not. It probably isnt as some little oink will just nick it nowadays.
Not saying everyone has to say its the best thing since sliced bread but i'm happy as hell with the YS issue and dont really give a monkeys whether its 'issue 94' or not.
On 2004-10-21 12:36, Lee Tonks wrote:
Blimey, you lot. Does something Speccy-related always have to turn into some kind of whining bitch-fest?
Oh, do shut up. There's been no "bitching" or "whining" here, just some people either expressing concern or offering an opinion on what they've read.
If you won a raffle for a Ferrari F50 and the prize was a Volkswagen Polo when it arrived, you'd still be getting a free car, but you'd be entitled to raise an objection.
The only thing I thought was a bit pointless was the JSW2 map on the centre pages (far too small to be useful - there are so many other maps that could've been used instead and I'm getting a bit tired of JSW being used all the time at any given opportunity just 'cos it's a game everyone knows well). The Tipshop pokes seemed a bit futile too (but I guess there might be one or two people that have no access to the internet).
Apart from that, it's much what I was expecting and hoping it would be. It's great to hear what the YS-team is up to all these years later. I also liked the reviews of the new games that illustrate just how alive the Speccy still is. :cool:
I haven't even started reading the main mag yet! I guess RG won't be able to include a YS with every issue (I expect Zzap! or something will get their turn next). Perhaps they could do a special of Dragon User, just for me? :p
On 2004-10-21 12:46, psj3809 wrote:
I totally agree, its depressing to read the bitchfest et.
Just lots of little picks etc,
Was that a mispelling? :)
I am pleased that a Your Sinclair homage is coming out. Being remembered with reservations is better than not being remembered at all. I'd rather my gravestone said "Spactor" than be blank. Hoping that it would have captured the YS feel to the letter is asking too much - I think this is the first step to something bigger...
I believe that it's possible that one day we will see a Spectrum magazine again. Wouldn't it be crazy if it did?
On 2004-10-21 14:29, cyborg wrote:
Well I'd have to doubt the sanity of the publisher of a new Speccy magazine yes.
A year or so ago you would probably doubt the sanity of someone bringing out a magazine for Retro Games. Or 8 years ago someone creating a website for Speccy fans etc.
Retro Gamer is different because it's basically a nostalgia magazine covering a lot of formats.
The thing about retro is that enevitably more devices are going to become retro over time - so there is likely to be more material and hence more interest.
The only possible way a new Spectrum magazine could be produced is if there was enough interest to justify it. I just can't see it happening - it's just not got a broad enough appeal.
The web is an entirely different medium so the same arguments don't apply as they do to the magazine format (which tends to rely HEAVILY on advertising).
Yeah true but i think many of us would buy it if there was suddenly some single issue special which came out.
Have to find out in a few weeks how many copies of RG Issue 9 were sold compared to earlier issues.
The thing is if this retro boom keeps increasing you can suddenly imagine there'll be another retro mag in WH Smiths one day and who knows what else.
I mean all those retro joysticks coming out are cool, Nintendo are releasing lots of old retro compilations and lots of other companies as well.
I've seen many good fanzines on the net (eg ZXF), would be good to collate a few of these and make some 62 page YS style PDF ourselves. A few Zzap fans did that which looked very good.
On 2004-10-21 15:09, psj3809 wrote:
The thing is if this retro boom keeps increasing you can suddenly imagine there'll be another retro mag in WH Smiths one day and who knows what else.
This is the next battleground, IMHO. I doubt people give a damn that there's X-hundred retro remakes on the cover DVD as that sort of thing is taken for granted these days. It'll be the extra special things that will distinguish one retro mag from another. With RG it was the Konix videos, the Crash poster, and now the YS supplement, with god knows what else to come.
With the eventual arrival of competing retro mags, this is one major area where they will try and out-do one another, and this is a damn good thing for the reader.
This is just the beginning, and I'm rather excited about that.
On 2004-10-21 15:21, NickH wrote:
With the eventual arrival of competing retro mags, this is one major area where they will try and out-do one another, and this is a damn good thing for the reader.
Of course, on the flipside, there's bound to be the equivalent of SU's 18-pack tape, so we must prepare our souls for that sort of thing too and hope they die a quick death.
To me personally at the end of the day its 2004, nearly 2005.
For the first time in a long long time retro gaming is huge, more and more people are using their Spectrums, playing old games thanks to things such as ebay and emulators on PC's.
We have the first retro magazine, if that is successful then there will be others I'm sure.
Either way not including of course the glory years its the best time I think personally to be a Speccy/Retro/Emulator fan.
[ This Message was edited by: psj3809 on 2004-10-21 16:03 ]
On 2004-10-21 15:52, psj3809 wrote:
Not a fan of SU either then ? ;)
Early SU (1982-84) is quite good, because although incredibly dry, the mag itself (ads included) reflects the enthusiasm and inventiveness of the Sinclair ZX80/zx81/Spectrum boom incredibly well. I was able to feel the excitement of that period even though I wasn't actually into the scene at the time the first time around.
But the first time around I started reading SU in 1987, and the existence of Kamikaze Bear made sure that I thought of it as a third-stringer all through the rest of its life.
On 2004-10-21 14:47, cyborg wrote:
Retro Gamer is different because it's basically a nostalgia magazine covering a lot of formats.
That's funny, because last year you said the opposite, right before retro gamer came out. You said that a retro gaming magazine wasn't commercially viable.
Because of this , the fact that you say that a Spectrum based mag couldn't happen has immediately increased the likelihood of it occuring by 1000%. So that's a good thing.
Comments
Hmmm... just thinking aloud here, but I wonder if there'll be a large difference of opinion between ex-YS writers and ex-YS readers?
For the writers there'd be more of an emotional attachment to the mag, for them it would me more that just the pics and text on the pages, it would be the writing process, the assembly process, the interaction with the other staff, etc.
For the readers who've been shielded away from most of that, they'd have a different outlook. Would they detect the "soul" of YS?
Of course I could be talking garbage and won't really know the answer until I see it for myself, and at that time I'll make damn sure everyone will know if I'm pleased or displeased with it ;)
Not to mention life in the shed, surely!
Surely?
:)
everybody should take a chill out pill, calm daown and take it for what it is....a free 32 extra harking back to YS as it was then, not trying to reclaim its crown.....yes i read ys and the rest but they were only magazines, they all died years ago, now theyre ok for a read now and again
Erm, well, look at it this way. YS was a magazine about Sinclair computers, with (in all the time I read it) a large red&white logo on the front reading Your Sinclair. It had reviews and tips and nonsense in it, and was rather good.
This thing on retro-gamer is a magazine about Sinclair computers, with a large red&white logo on the front reading Your Sinclair. It had reviews and tips and nonsense in it, and I will tell you how good it is when I've got mine in the post :)
So. It IS YS, by all of the criteria mentioned above. So, it's not the same YS that was out years ago with exactly the same people writing for it but, quite frankly, who cares?
Far too many of you by the looks of it.
:lol:
And let's not forget the wider picture here - a project like this will hopefully jog the memories of a much wider bunch of people than just the die-hard YS fans who want everything to be just-so. Yes it's partly to do with selling magazines, but through increasing circulation RG create a wider market for still more projects.
Are you listening Amstrad?
Colin
[ This Message was edited by: woodcock88 on 2004-10-21 00:48 ]
Yes i would like to see Retro Gamer be a bit more 'relaxed' and more like YS in the old days but then again many people wouldnt. I mean jesus there was one letter moaning about graphic content in pictures and also a swearword or two !
You make it like YS some people will be happy some wont, you cant win.
As for the magazine being overpriced come on ! No ones forcing anyone to buy it plus compared to the price of tons of other things its not bad at all. Obviously the majority dont mind the price as thats why its switched to monthly. Your Sinclair was 2.50 with a tape and that was 10 years ago ! Retro Gamer at 6 quid with a cd full of stuff isnt that bad when you compare it to a thin Your Sinclair with a tape for 2.50
The YS supplement really bought back those memories of the old days, i would LOVE it if they could do an annual or 6th month type magazine with the latest news on the Spectrum. That would be incredible, who knows. If the publishers knew this was so popular (and not everyone moaning about tiny details) then there could be a good case for some 6 monthly special.
[ This Message was edited by: psj3809 on 2004-10-21 10:52 ]
Anyway, I'm glad to see that at least the likes of Tzer and JD have made an appearance in the "new" YS. I'll be having a look with interest when it eventually reaches some newsagent's shelves.
http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/world/spower.htm
No problems, you are entitled to your opinion, but we were simply hoping to pay hamage to YS in our own style, not be YS to such an extreme as to p**s people off. The idea was "what would YS be if it was around today", and so obviously the newish games therefore were mentioned and so on. There also wasn't that much of the lingo "Spec-chums, Yikes!" etc.... which was a point of debate.
We also tried to use the same sort of paper and bold designs and so on. For instance, the "TRUE SPECTRUM FACTS" is virtually unreadable, but this is how some of the articles appeared on occasions back in the day.
Many will like it, and many wont. You are not forced to buy it, and if you don't like it (as a subscriber) then why not give it to someone else who perhaps would?
Regards,
Shaun.
I mean the amount of retro gamers currently is huge, WOS has a ton of members and theres many other speccy sites out there.
Instead of people nitpicking the YS supplement if Live Publishing saw that there could be some success in an 'Annual' or 6 month special I could imagine they might release one.
Mad i dont think so, if you said 2 years ago there would be a Retro Gaming magazine doing very well you would be quite surprised. I would be interested to know how many extra copies (or maybe less) Retro Gamer Issue 9 has sold compared to past issues.
On a small point of order - I would imagine that the issue is bagged, and hence browse-proof. Therefore, anyone who wants to know if the "new YS" is any good or not DOES have to buy it.
It reminds me of when Nickelodeon kicked John Kricfalusi and Spumco out of the production of Ren and Stimpy, and had Bob Camp take over with Games Animation. It looked right and sounded right, but it lacked the nuances that raised Ren and Stimpy over other cartoons. Once again, the soul had gone.
I think as a look back at YS it's fine, but the controversy is down to actually calling it Your Sinclair issue 94. It. Just. Ain't. (And the cover was in the wrong paper. Far too flimsy. But I'm just picking holes now because one of my ceilings has collapsed.)
At least I enjoyed the main mag. =)
I was a Sinclair User reader back in the day (even though with hindsight, Your Sinclair would probably have been a better choice for me). So I'm not concerned whether the supplement captures the feel of YS in its glory days, or whether it's more in tune with the later issues, or indeed whether it isn't a patch on the original. What I AM interested in (and Yes, Mel, I AM getting very excited about this) is that we have a publication that is dedicated to the Spectrum exclusively, and pays hommage to one of the best computer magazines ever created. The feeling of finally being able to read reviews of new Spectrum games again in a real Spectrum magazine will be amazing. It just didn't occur to me that this would ever happen. Just a year ago, we thought that we would never see a mainstream Retro magazine. Maybe in a year time, we can celebrate a resurgent, monthly Your Sinclair? OK - maybe very unrealistic - but why not? The Spectrum scene just seems to be going from strength to strength. I sense such a positive energy at the moment that anything seems possible! :D
I haven't read the supplement yet. But if the comments from those who have are anything to go by; I can't wait until I do. I really hope that we can see more YS supplements in the future, with further updates on the scene. While the Spectrum scene is so healthly, there will always be room for this type of thing. I think that a very big and heart-felt thanks is in order for everyone at Retro Gamer and elsewhere who have taken me totally be surprise to make this a reality. You've brought hope to this jaded and cynical Spectrum fanatic! :)
Would you have been happier if they'd done a C64 feature instead?
/tuts
Just lots of little picks etc, I get a subscription copy of RG but I dont know in WHSmiths or not if the YS supplement is in plastic or not. It probably isnt as some little oink will just nick it nowadays.
Not saying everyone has to say its the best thing since sliced bread but i'm happy as hell with the YS issue and dont really give a monkeys whether its 'issue 94' or not.
Oh, do shut up. There's been no "bitching" or "whining" here, just some people either expressing concern or offering an opinion on what they've read.
If you won a raffle for a Ferrari F50 and the prize was a Volkswagen Polo when it arrived, you'd still be getting a free car, but you'd be entitled to raise an objection.
The only thing I thought was a bit pointless was the JSW2 map on the centre pages (far too small to be useful - there are so many other maps that could've been used instead and I'm getting a bit tired of JSW being used all the time at any given opportunity just 'cos it's a game everyone knows well). The Tipshop pokes seemed a bit futile too (but I guess there might be one or two people that have no access to the internet).
Apart from that, it's much what I was expecting and hoping it would be. It's great to hear what the YS-team is up to all these years later. I also liked the reviews of the new games that illustrate just how alive the Speccy still is. :cool:
I haven't even started reading the main mag yet! I guess RG won't be able to include a YS with every issue (I expect Zzap! or something will get their turn next). Perhaps they could do a special of Dragon User, just for me? :p
Well done, RG, I'm happy. :D
Was that a mispelling? :)
I am pleased that a Your Sinclair homage is coming out. Being remembered with reservations is better than not being remembered at all. I'd rather my gravestone said "Spactor" than be blank. Hoping that it would have captured the YS feel to the letter is asking too much - I think this is the first step to something bigger...
I believe that it's possible that one day we will see a Spectrum magazine again. Wouldn't it be crazy if it did?
https://discordapp.com/invite/cZt59EQ
Bit like the new Star Wars films, they'll never beat the old ones but i'm glad theyre out and its still better than a far few films out there.
I dread the abuse it would get if YS did come out as a single one-off special edition !
A year or so ago you would probably doubt the sanity of someone bringing out a magazine for Retro Games. Or 8 years ago someone creating a website for Speccy fans etc.
The thing about retro is that enevitably more devices are going to become retro over time - so there is likely to be more material and hence more interest.
The only possible way a new Spectrum magazine could be produced is if there was enough interest to justify it. I just can't see it happening - it's just not got a broad enough appeal.
The web is an entirely different medium so the same arguments don't apply as they do to the magazine format (which tends to rely HEAVILY on advertising).
Have to find out in a few weeks how many copies of RG Issue 9 were sold compared to earlier issues.
The thing is if this retro boom keeps increasing you can suddenly imagine there'll be another retro mag in WH Smiths one day and who knows what else.
I mean all those retro joysticks coming out are cool, Nintendo are releasing lots of old retro compilations and lots of other companies as well.
I've seen many good fanzines on the net (eg ZXF), would be good to collate a few of these and make some 62 page YS style PDF ourselves. A few Zzap fans did that which looked very good.
This is the next battleground, IMHO. I doubt people give a damn that there's X-hundred retro remakes on the cover DVD as that sort of thing is taken for granted these days. It'll be the extra special things that will distinguish one retro mag from another. With RG it was the Konix videos, the Crash poster, and now the YS supplement, with god knows what else to come.
With the eventual arrival of competing retro mags, this is one major area where they will try and out-do one another, and this is a damn good thing for the reader.
This is just the beginning, and I'm rather excited about that.
Of course, on the flipside, there's bound to be the equivalent of SU's 18-pack tape, so we must prepare our souls for that sort of thing too and hope they die a quick death.
To me personally at the end of the day its 2004, nearly 2005.
For the first time in a long long time retro gaming is huge, more and more people are using their Spectrums, playing old games thanks to things such as ebay and emulators on PC's.
We have the first retro magazine, if that is successful then there will be others I'm sure.
Either way not including of course the glory years its the best time I think personally to be a Speccy/Retro/Emulator fan.
[ This Message was edited by: psj3809 on 2004-10-21 16:03 ]
Early SU (1982-84) is quite good, because although incredibly dry, the mag itself (ads included) reflects the enthusiasm and inventiveness of the Sinclair ZX80/zx81/Spectrum boom incredibly well. I was able to feel the excitement of that period even though I wasn't actually into the scene at the time the first time around.
But the first time around I started reading SU in 1987, and the existence of Kamikaze Bear made sure that I thought of it as a third-stringer all through the rest of its life.
That's funny, because last year you said the opposite, right before retro gamer came out. You said that a retro gaming magazine wasn't commercially viable.
Because of this , the fact that you say that a Spectrum based mag couldn't happen has immediately increased the likelihood of it occuring by 1000%. So that's a good thing.
https://discordapp.com/invite/cZt59EQ