My first proper Tune.

edited May 2011 in Chit chat
So, I made the drum track for the WOS Jam thread, and got so into it, that I ended up making a cover version of Massive Attack's Unfinished Sympathy. It was all done my self from the drum track sampling (from Bob James cover of Paul Simon's "Take Me to the Mardi Gras" ), all instraments and string arrangements and finally the singing which is the worst quality part.

It was done using Reaper (DAW audio editor), a Roland JV2080 midi sound module, and a Yamaha SY77 keyboard as a midi controller using its aftertouch and assignable wheels for creating a surging string effect.

The track is made up of 14 channels which includes double tracked drums, 2 tracks of drum track additions (bits remixed by me) , 5 tracks for various string sounds, 3 pianos, 3 vocal, 1 effects carpety return type thing. I'm so proud of this my first proper work I thought I'd share, yes I know its mediocre by most musicians standards, but you gotta start somewhere.
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  • edited May 2011
    Fixed. :)
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  • edited May 2011
    Just had a few plays.

    There's nothing wrong with your voice. Its as good or maybe better than most pop singers. It could sound much better with some compression and a couple of delay repeats. I can't hear any cuts in the vocal phrases. I have a good ear for faked vocals, when they record a vocal dozens of times and cherry pick the best sylables to make a vocal track in perfect timing and pitch fixed. There's nothing in the top 40 with real vocals.

    Its more important to have conviction and confidence than a great voice. There's nothing worse than someone being shy about just letting go. I've learned from singers that when its held back, breathing isn't normal, so voice becomes short and weak. A double bad whammy, as performance doesn't feel good for the singer and confidence goes down. Its unconcious, but try to open up your airway with breathing from the stomach. I'm a dreadful singer, but had to learn/practice techniques for backing vocals playing in bands.

    It needs a deep piano playing or a bass/cello on the verses, to thicken the sound a bit.

    I've retired from playing for a while. I have blisters that are about to pop. It even hurts to type.

    Overall its good.
  • edited May 2011
    The above download link is now restored, my provider cut of my web space due to too much traffic. They only allowed 250mb traffic a month the tight b@stards (what is this the 90's).

    Anyways now the file is hosted elsewhere so the link should now work.
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  • edited May 2011
    You'll always get your mates on here to tell you you're good - positive affirmation.
    Honest opinion from an outsider - it needs some work. But keep trying and it'll get better.
    I do think you have some talent thought. Keep it up! :)
  • fogfog
    edited May 2011
    not going to comment , because I like the original of that song.. and it's like people messing with certain tunes, I don't like.. even new order doing joy divisions most (probably) famous song

    but here's some homework, although really for ozone.. it's a nice primer regardless

    www.izotope.com/products/audio/ozone/OzoneMasteringGuide.PDF

    you need to make more room in what you have done , so things don't all sit at the same Hz. some things like a piano have muddy area's and sweet spots.

    http://www.har-bal.com/images/stories/frequency_chart_sm.gif

    is one of many charts that will help..

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/19058285/Awesome-EQ-Settings-Guide

    http://phatassmixes.com/vanillaforums/discussion/185/complete-eq-free-guide/p1

    there is one on computer music mag's disc which has it in graphical form


    the m-analyser.. run that with a single instrument.. and you'll see what frequencies / note(s) it takes up and you compare it to something else to find out where things clash.

    http://www.meldaproduction.com/audiotutorials/mixing.php

    might be a nice read also.
  • edited May 2011
    Thanks for your comments folkes, its nice to hear ways in which I can improve. As I said, it was my first time using a DAW properly. I'm gunna start with attempting to re-create some of my favourite tunes and once I have gained some skill and memorised a few chords I will then begin making my own stuff.
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  • edited May 2011
    Forget all that over complicating mixing stuff.

    To make it easy, just imagine where you'd place the instruments in a live situation.

    Example, imagine what a piano sounds like at the front or back of a group in a hall.

    More vocal up front= more mids/clarity/treble.
    At the back= bass prominent/less treble/clarity.

    Try not to artificialy EQ any instruments, but instead use instruments that have the character/tone you want. So it sounds natural.

    You can read up forever on eq'ing, frequencies and mixing techniques. But it doesn't really help your ears understanding or becoming conscious of natural sounds.

    When certain things 'click', you realise that you already knew what you needed to know, because your ears have been hearing sounds all your life. Its just becoming aware or conscious of the nature of sound. How it acts.

    Music is a sculpture in time and space. You can make music that creates vectors in 3d space. These vectors triangulate to a point in space, or in other words, if your emotions was a point in space, the movement of the point is what makes changes in emotion. I developed a new music theory based on geometry in 3d space, which shows the hows and whys of tones on emotion. Everything anyone could possibly learn to do with music, can be demonstrated on 3 A4 sheets of paper. Without having to learn loads of scales and theory. Its a holistic theory, provides everything from day 1. Its then upto the individual to develop with it, grow with it, create a unique style, something new but natural.

    I've gone on a bit because I;ve had a couple of pints of Murphy's. :lol:
    Why does drink make you think?
  • edited May 2011
    FrankT wrote: »
    Music is a sculpture in time and space. You can make music that creates vectors in 3d space. These vectors triangulate to a point in space, or in other words, if your emotions was a point in space, the movement of the point is what makes changes in emotion. I developed a new music theory based on geometry in 3d space, which shows the hows and whys of tones on emotion. Everything anyone could possibly learn to do with music, can be demonstrated on 3 A4 sheets of paper. Without having to learn loads of scales and theory. Its a holistic theory, provides everything from day 1. Its then upto the individual to develop with it, grow with it, create a unique style, something new but natural.

    That just blew my mind, man. Far out! ;)

    I think it's a pretty good rendition considering it's a first stab, it's certainly mixed quite well.
  • edited May 2011
    FrankT wrote: »
    :
    Why does drink make you think?

    Nah drunk just fools you into thinking you are thinking deep, the more you have the wider the gap gets between one's perceived quality of thought, and its actual quality. That said yes I do believe a little bit can loosen the creative juices.
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