Rory = much better than Amy. Great character. Best male companion since Turlough.
'A Good man goes to War' was a fantastic story, brilliantly written. Now that's how it's done. Take note Mister Gaiman!
My only beef was with the headless monks. Didn't understand them. They should have been all the previous Doctors. Now that would have been an army, and very poignant to the story.
Just a pet peeve of mine - a lot of people wrongly think it's purely aimed at kids but the target audience is actually everyone.
I'm not one of those people. But there's not much of a distinction between children's television and family viewing these days, with the exception of pre-school programming.
Rory = much better than Amy. Great character. Best male companion since Turlough.
'A Good man goes to War' was a fantastic story, brilliantly written. Now that's how it's done. Take note Mister Gaiman!
My only beef was with the headless monks. Didn't understand them. They should have been all the previous Doctors. Now that would have been an army, and very poignant to the story.
I've got to be honest, I thought it was pretty dire. Sloppy, painfully predictable, recycled... Very dissapointed on a whole. I would rather have seen 45 mins of lizard lady hunting down jack the ripper.
Yes. But what was written on the other cot? Well now we know how she knows the Doctor's name ... she read it.
Maybe. What I took from it was that the Doctor had written 'Melody Pond' in the spirals on the end of the Galifreyan cot, which everyone was looking at, so the Doctor realised by reading the name back in a foreign language, in the same way Amy did. Although that doesn't explain how he knew where to go next.
As for "Let's kill Hitler", it's an obvious but reckless time-travel idea. So to suggest it for Doctor Who is just another sucker-punch cliff-hanger for the end of the semi-series. We've already seen what happened when Rose tried to save her father, so let's not have someone mess with established history again. And if it turns out to be the Doctor saving Hitler from time-travelling assassins, well...
And finally, given that it's a kid's show, why hasn't Jo Rowling been approached to write an episode?
She was approached back in the RTD days but declined the offer citing existing commitments. I guess she's less busy now, but it's not as if she needs the work!
She was approached back in the RTD days but declined the offer citing existing commitments. I guess she's less busy now, but it's not as if she needs the work!
It's a family show that has always been produced by the BBC drama department, not the children's TV Department, and shown on BBC One and Three, not on CBBC.
Just a pet peeve of mine - a lot of people wrongly think it's purely aimed at kids but the target audience is actually everyone.
I'd say kids are the "main" target audience, though. Moffat thinks predominantly of children when writing his episodes. Ironic given that RTD was much-more focused on targeting it at everyone and his episodes were much more childish than Moffat's are.
But then, kids were the main target audience for stuff like Indiana Jones and Back to the Future - so-called juvenalia often creates better television/film than the adult-focused stuff from an adult perspective.
And there's something more honest about "family" stuff like Doctor Who or Star Trek than when what are essentially kids concepts are "kidnapped" by adults and forced into adult clothes so no-one can call their carried-over childhood obsessions "childish", something that I worry is happening these days (see: Batman).
I'm not one of those people. But there's not much of a distinction between children's television and family viewing these days, with the exception of pre-school programming.
Been that way for a while, I think. If you go back to the '70s Who series or something like the early Sapphire and Steel episodes they seem too complex for "kids" shows and, notably, a lot more demanding of the viewer than a lot of "adult" stuff we see these days. The distinction between "adult" and "kids" drama can often just mean the addition of sexuality and swearing which, ironically, can make the latter seem more childish (see the first series of Torchwood).
As a middle aged man I am finding it completely unfathomable these days, after ten minutes of each episode I've thrown the towel in along with the kids; all these interwoven threads are jolly clever but I don't watch a TV show to suddenly exclaim after 6 months, 'Ah that's why he said that'. Life's too short man. It's not fun any more, it's gone up its own exhaust pipe.
Been that way for a while, I think. If you go back to the '70s Who series or something like the early Sapphire and Steel episodes they seem too complex for "kids" shows and, notably, a lot more demanding of the viewer than a lot of "adult" stuff we see these days. The distinction between "adult" and "kids" drama can often just mean the addition of sexuality and swearing which, ironically, can make the latter seem more childish (see the first series of Torchwood).
saying that i wouldn't have minded watching the lizard lady and her maid going at it. he he
(i would have simply said gay couple, but there are usually 4 per episdoe. :p )
saying that i wouldn't have minded watching the lizard lady and her maid going at it. he he
(i would have simply said gay couple, but there are usually 4 per episdoe. :p )
The underlying-meaning with regards to the lizard-lady's super-long tongue only occurred to me after it was finished. *blushes*
Incidentally, am I right in thinking that Moffat having the two clerics/soldiers self-identify as "gay" was a first for the series? We've had gay characters before, but I'm sure they've never been named as such.
As a middle aged man I am finding it completely unfathomable these days, after ten minutes of each episode I've thrown the towel in along with the kids; all these interwoven threads are jolly clever but I don't watch a TV show to suddenly exclaim after 6 months, 'Ah that's why he said that'. Life's too short man. It's not fun any more, it's gone up its own exhaust pipe.
I'm wondering whether Moffat is making it too complex for more casual viewers as well. The fans, in general, seem to love him because his ideas are complicated and play with the show's time-travelling theme but I can't help but worry that people who occasionally tune in might be bewildered.
Mind you, the viewing figures seem to be holding up (overnights are down but time-shifted more than make up for that - I think the first episode put on an additional 3 million time-shifted viewers) and the Audience Appreciation ratings are as high as, if not higher, than during the RTD era. So maybe Davies was wrong and the British public do have an appetite for sci-fi drama of a Saturday evening rather than needing to have sci-fi delivered alongside soap-opera, like putting green vegetables in a kids burger.
Incidentally, am I right in thinking that Moffat having the two clerics/soldiers self-identify as "gay" was a first for the series? We've had gay characters before, but I'm sure they've never been named as such.
wot?
theres a gay character everyweek. :D
i think characters before has specifically sadi they were gay rather than just implied it, not too sure though.
The world doesn't half move fast in this shiny, modern internets age:
Since the previous post, a rumour rose on the internet that the BBC were going to put the show on hiatus due to internal politics at the Beeb only to be subsequently quashed by Moffat via twitter, all whilst this thread didn't notice. :-D
These newer episodes still aren't as complicated as they should be, but they're slowly getting better. However, there's a line that you must never cross in hyper-convoluted stories, and that line is called, "Ghost Light." Erm.... excuuuuuse me?
These newer episodes still aren't as complicated as they should be, but they're slowly getting better. However, there's a line that you must never cross in hyper-convoluted stories, and that line is called, "Ghost Light." Erm.... excuuuuuse me?
Ghost Light is stuiply complicated. Infact, iI had no idea at all as to what was going on until I watched it with the comentary tracks. They go some way to explaining what's happening. It's a story not helped by some of the worst cating in the history of Dr Who!
I like the complications, and I like that it's not putting audiences off. The problem I have is that although they're inventive, they're blatantly plot-driven McGuffins, often derivative and expanded re-runs of things that have been covered in previous episodes, and open up plot-holes by the bucketload.
As I said before, after fighting for the rights of the flesh he just turns round and melts the fake Amy rather than disconnecting her and letting the copy live on. But before that, the fake Doctor stays behind to do the same to the mutating monster, blatting himself in the process. Why didn't the real Doctor stay behind and do it, whilst the fake one hops everyone forward in the TARDIS and picks them up again five minutes later?
I like the complications, and I like that it's not putting audiences off. The problem I have is that although they're inventive, they're blatantly plot-driven McGuffins, often derivative and expanded re-runs of things that have been covered in previous episodes, and open up plot-holes by the bucketload.
As I said before, after fighting for the rights of the flesh he just turns round and melts the fake Amy rather than disconnecting her and letting the copy live on. But before that, the fake Doctor stays behind to do the same to the mutating monster, blatting himself in the process. Why didn't the real Doctor stay behind and do it, whilst the fake one hops everyone forward in the TARDIS and picks them up again five minutes later?
Because then you wouldn't have the possibility that the Flesh Doctor survived somehow to make a re-appearance in the second half of this series...
they usually do on bbc 3 in fact i tihnk the series has started again. there was one on tonight that was 1 of 13
i wish theyd repeat the first series with that northern bloke.
in fact id wish they repeast the original series.
come on beeb, we know we bitched and moaned about repeats in the 80's and 90's but we want them back!!!!
I'd rather that the repeated early Doctor Who than Christoper Eccleston's episodes....he never felt like a proper Doctor to me...although he did seem a bit like an alien, but I think that's just him....
I watched the one episode from the last bunch of Series 6 that I missed last night. I was in hospital and missed it. It was the one on the pirate ship. I thought it was pretty good. I picked up the Blu-Ray set and I must say that it looks stunning in HD. The only thing missing from the set is the confidential episodes. You get 2 monster files and that's it :(
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'A Good man goes to War' was a fantastic story, brilliantly written. Now that's how it's done. Take note Mister Gaiman!
My only beef was with the headless monks. Didn't understand them. They should have been all the previous Doctors. Now that would have been an army, and very poignant to the story.
I'm not one of those people. But there's not much of a distinction between children's television and family viewing these days, with the exception of pre-school programming.
I've got to be honest, I thought it was pretty dire. Sloppy, painfully predictable, recycled... Very dissapointed on a whole. I would rather have seen 45 mins of lizard lady hunting down jack the ripper.
Oh well, lets see what the autumn brings.
Loved the eyepatch though, seriously Travis.
"Let's Kill Hitler'
I'd rather see Kitler :p
yes that does sound like a bizarre episode. :p
As for "Let's kill Hitler", it's an obvious but reckless time-travel idea. So to suggest it for Doctor Who is just another sucker-punch cliff-hanger for the end of the semi-series. We've already seen what happened when Rose tried to save her father, so let's not have someone mess with established history again. And if it turns out to be the Doctor saving Hitler from time-travelling assassins, well...
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She was approached back in the RTD days but declined the offer citing existing commitments. I guess she's less busy now, but it's not as if she needs the work!
She's got no TV experience anyway.
I'd say kids are the "main" target audience, though. Moffat thinks predominantly of children when writing his episodes. Ironic given that RTD was much-more focused on targeting it at everyone and his episodes were much more childish than Moffat's are.
But then, kids were the main target audience for stuff like Indiana Jones and Back to the Future - so-called juvenalia often creates better television/film than the adult-focused stuff from an adult perspective.
And there's something more honest about "family" stuff like Doctor Who or Star Trek than when what are essentially kids concepts are "kidnapped" by adults and forced into adult clothes so no-one can call their carried-over childhood obsessions "childish", something that I worry is happening these days (see: Batman).
Been that way for a while, I think. If you go back to the '70s Who series or something like the early Sapphire and Steel episodes they seem too complex for "kids" shows and, notably, a lot more demanding of the viewer than a lot of "adult" stuff we see these days. The distinction between "adult" and "kids" drama can often just mean the addition of sexuality and swearing which, ironically, can make the latter seem more childish (see the first series of Torchwood).
saying that i wouldn't have minded watching the lizard lady and her maid going at it. he he
(i would have simply said gay couple, but there are usually 4 per episdoe. :p )
The underlying-meaning with regards to the lizard-lady's super-long tongue only occurred to me after it was finished. *blushes*
Incidentally, am I right in thinking that Moffat having the two clerics/soldiers self-identify as "gay" was a first for the series? We've had gay characters before, but I'm sure they've never been named as such.
I'm wondering whether Moffat is making it too complex for more casual viewers as well. The fans, in general, seem to love him because his ideas are complicated and play with the show's time-travelling theme but I can't help but worry that people who occasionally tune in might be bewildered.
Mind you, the viewing figures seem to be holding up (overnights are down but time-shifted more than make up for that - I think the first episode put on an additional 3 million time-shifted viewers) and the Audience Appreciation ratings are as high as, if not higher, than during the RTD era. So maybe Davies was wrong and the British public do have an appetite for sci-fi drama of a Saturday evening rather than needing to have sci-fi delivered alongside soap-opera, like putting green vegetables in a kids burger.
wot?
theres a gay character everyweek. :D
i think characters before has specifically sadi they were gay rather than just implied it, not too sure though.
Since the previous post, a rumour rose on the internet that the BBC were going to put the show on hiatus due to internal politics at the Beeb only to be subsequently quashed by Moffat via twitter, all whilst this thread didn't notice. :-D
Even at its best it struggles to be as good as proper Doctor Who though.
Ghost Light is stuiply complicated. Infact, iI had no idea at all as to what was going on until I watched it with the comentary tracks. They go some way to explaining what's happening. It's a story not helped by some of the worst cating in the history of Dr Who!
Those were my favourites of this half of the series. At least the series caters for everyone then. :)
As I said before, after fighting for the rights of the flesh he just turns round and melts the fake Amy rather than disconnecting her and letting the copy live on. But before that, the fake Doctor stays behind to do the same to the mutating monster, blatting himself in the process. Why didn't the real Doctor stay behind and do it, whilst the fake one hops everyone forward in the TARDIS and picks them up again five minutes later?
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Because then you wouldn't have the possibility that the Flesh Doctor survived somehow to make a re-appearance in the second half of this series...
I'll have two, with fries and a coke please.
*ahem* and the plot etc.
Come on which one of you was it ?!
they usually do on bbc 3 in fact i tihnk the series has started again. there was one on tonight that was 1 of 13
i wish theyd repeat the first series with that northern bloke.
in fact id wish they repeast the original series.
come on beeb, we know we bitched and moaned about repeats in the 80's and 90's but we want them back!!!!
I'd rather that the repeated early Doctor Who than Christoper Eccleston's episodes....he never felt like a proper Doctor to me...although he did seem a bit like an alien, but I think that's just him....
But then they were told to cut costs and people complain about the license fee so that idea was scrapped.
I wouldn't mind paying the bloody licence fee as much if they did stuff like this!
I watched the one episode from the last bunch of Series 6 that I missed last night. I was in hospital and missed it. It was the one on the pirate ship. I thought it was pretty good. I picked up the Blu-Ray set and I must say that it looks stunning in HD. The only thing missing from the set is the confidential episodes. You get 2 monster files and that's it :(
The next part of the series looks good though ;-)